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Fetus
03.08.2009, 04:52
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-fedorufc073109&prov=yhoo&type=lgns


It’s easy to paint Vadim Finkelchtein as the villain in this mess between heavyweight Fedor Emelianenko and the Ultimate Fighting Championship.

Emelianenko is the free agent heavyweight with the gaudy 30-1 record and small but passionate fan base. The UFC is the world’s finest mixed martial arts promotional company and has roughly 90 percent of the top 100 fighters in the world under contract.

Emelianenko was looking for a place to fight and the UFC wanted to put on what it believed could have become a massive pay-per-view show with a big push by pitting Emelianenko against Brock Lesnar, its silo-sized heavyweight champion.

But no deal was reached despite a lucrative offer from the UFC. Though UFC president Dana White wouldn’t rule it out, chances of it happening in the future are remote.
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Finkelchtein is the Russian heavyweight’s manager and, more significantly, the president and co-owner of what purports to be a major MMA promotional company, M-1 Global. Finkelchtein clearly used Emelianenko as a pawn in an attempt to force the UFC to accept M-1 as a partner. All M-1 Global brought to the table was one fighter, even if he is a very good one, which would have made White a moron had he acquiesced to that demand.

If the UFC was in the business of giving 50 percent of its company away every time it tried to sign an elite fighter, it would have been in worse shape a lot sooner than Chrysler.

The reason the deal didn’t get done is simple: Fedor Emelianenko.

Emelianenko’s supporters are going to point the finger at White as the reason a deal did not get done. White, though, agreed to essentially every demand Emelianenko made. He offered to pay him more than he’s ever made. He agreed to allow Emelianenko to fight in combat sambo. He agreed to allow Emelianenko to advertise M-1 on his fight shorts, on the apparel he wore and on banners his cornermen brought with them to the cage.

What White wouldn’t do, though, is give half of his company to Finkelchtein in return for the, ahem, privilege, of promoting Emelianenko’s next few fights.

The demand was kind of like an owner in the Continental Basketball Association demanding 50 percent ownership in an NBA team before allowing his player to sign.

Emelianenko can fight wherever he wants, of course. His legacy, though, took a serious shellacking when he refused to order Finkelchtein to get a deal done.

That would have allowed Emelianenko, who was ranked No. 2 in the most recent Yahoo! Sports pound-for-pound Top 10 poll, to end any doubts whether he is as great as his most ardent supporters say or whether he is overrated, as White insists. Rather, Emelianenko acts as if he’s under some sort of spell cast by Finkelchtein. He’s never met White and when Finkelchtein, White and UFC CEO Lorenzo Fertitta negotiated via conference call, Emelianenko was on the line but said nothing.

All Emelianenko needed to do to know what he should have done was to look to Tito Ortiz, the UFC’s former light heavyweight champion. Ortiz and White have long engaged in a nasty public feud and they split, seemingly for good, after Ortiz’ contract ran out after he lost to Lyoto Machida at UFC 84 in May 2008.

There Ortiz was, however, on a conference call on Friday all chummy chummy with White. White revealed he had flown to Huntington Beach, Calif., recently and met personally with Ortiz, where they finalized resolved their differences.

Ortiz had dalliances with Elite XC and Affliction and said he was close to a deal to fight for Strikeforce. He referred to Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker as “an awesome guy.”

Ortiz said the reason he opted to fight in the UFC is simple: Competition. “Who was I going to fight there?” Ortiz said. “I want to fight the best.”

It’s too bad Emelianenko doesn’t have the same attitude. Had he been outraged by Finkelchtein’s negotiating tactics and insisted Finkelchtein work out the best possible deal, White would have been announcing an Emelianenko-Lesnar bout at his ballyhooed news conference on Friday rather than again railing at Finkelchtein’s bizarre stance.

Finkelchtein released a statement on Friday before the UFC news conference in which he said, in part, “All we are asking is that there is give-and-take in the negotiations and that they are not one-sided.”

But the UFC gave on the money. The UFC gave on the Fedor’s desire to compete in the Russian combat sport of sambo. The UFC gave on allowing Fedor to wear M-1’s logos. Finkelchtein wouldn’t budge on his ridiculous demand that the UFC make him a full promotional partner.

So now, Emelianenko will be a free agent, traveling the world in search of a fight. He could fight Josh Barnett, whom he was supposed to fight on Saturday on an Affliction card until Barnett tested positive for an anabolic steroid and was denied a license by the California State Athletic Commission.

Emelianenko remains highly popular in Japan, where they don’t test for steroids and don’t honor U.S. suspensions. Barnett, who has been caught cheating more than once, could be licensed there and conceivably could fight Emelianenko.

But there are precious few quality opponents for him outside of the UFC. And none of the fights would captivate the world’s interest the way UFC 100 did on July 11.

Emelianenko is largely unknown in the U.S. despite his 30-1 record and long winning streak. The three pay-per-view shows he headlined in this country – PRIDE 32 in 2006, Affliction 1 in 2008 and Affliction 2 in January – sold a combined total of fewer than 300,000 units.

UFC 100 alone sold well over 1.5 million.

Finkelchtein clearly botched the negotiations, but he’s not to blame.

If Emelianenko really wanted to be in the UFC and fight the best competition in the world, he would have made certain Finkelchtein got it done.

If you want to blame someone in this fiasco, blame Emelianenko.

It’s 100 percent his fault.

Shilo
03.08.2009, 05:12
wow.. ridiculous demand is an understatement.. lol.

BUT , fedor should have told the other guy to chill out and strike some other kind of deal with white.

Fetus
03.08.2009, 05:37
wow.. ridiculous demand is an understatement.. lol.

BUT , fedor should have told the other guy to chill out and strike some other kind of deal with white.

agreed, as good as Fedor is, he will suffer more than the UFC...I will not, and have not paid for a fight card featuring pretty much only him...

Im intrigued, and will follow his fights when they are through, but it takes more than one name to sell a PPV MMA fight card, just ask Elite xc lol

The UFC will move on, Fedor is not going to make another fighting organization last as long as the UFC around, I hate monopolies in business, but the UFC is official now....like the NBA, MLB, and NFL, and I think it will remain that way...

notanotherhonda
03.08.2009, 07:52
this was on sherdog days ago..............

wujcik
03.08.2009, 09:13
wow the author got his facts wrong. The story in the rest of the world, outside amerika, is: Fedor and his manager want to set up a world wide MMA organization and offered Dana White 50% ownership. The did not want any part in the US based UFC other than a few promotional fights. As the story goes, Dana wanted a controlling share instead of a partnership, this was the deal breaker. Dana is an ego maniac, I am not taking Fedor's side, I think Fedor should set up a short term contract even if Dana want's nothing to do with the world MMA organization. Dana should be behind the scenes, not on every show/ PPV event. He is beginning to remind me of Vince McMahon.

MANMADE
03.08.2009, 09:16
this was on sherdog days ago..............And? What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

Whoaa notanotherhonda is so up on things!

MANMADE
03.08.2009, 09:16
wow the author got his facts wrong. The story in the rest of the world, outside amerika, is: Fedor and his manager want to set up a world wide MMA organization and offered Dana White 50% ownership. The did not want any part in the US based UFC other than a few promotional fights. As the story goes, Dana wanted a controlling share instead of a partnership, this was the deal breaker. Dana is an ego maniac, I am not taking Fedor's side, I think Fedor should set up a short term contract even if Dana want's nothing to do with the world MMA organization. Dana should be behind the scenes, not on every show/ PPV event. He is beginning to remind me of Vince McMahon.Links?

wujcik
03.08.2009, 09:32
wow the author got his facts wrong. The story in the rest of the world, outside amerika, is: Fedor and his manager want to set up a world wide MMA organization and offered Dana White 50% ownership. The did not want any part in the US based UFC other than a few promotional fights. As the story goes, Dana wanted a controlling share instead of a partnership, this was the deal breaker. Dana is an ego maniac, I am not taking Fedor's side, I think Fedor should set up a short term contract even if Dana want's nothing to do with the world MMA organization. Dana should be behind the scenes, not on every show/ PPV event. He is beginning to remind me of Vince McMahon.Links?
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4334722&name=mma
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4327974&name=mma
http://www.5thround.com/news/5492/fedor-emelianenkos-manager-talk-ufc-negotiations/
What I could find, for now. This has been going on for so long that most of the articles have been taken down.

MANMADE
03.08.2009, 09:45
None of those articles have anything to do with what you said.

MANMADE
03.08.2009, 09:49
Sherdog is reputable..

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/update-m-1-discusses-fedor-ufc-talks-18792

I think you misunderstood what you read.

Why would the UFC want to share the huge profit that they're making? Right now they're unstoppable. Let M-1 do their own work

wujcik
03.08.2009, 09:49
None of those articles have anything to do with what you said.The last one talks about how the UFC would own Fedor if he won the title. Something that he does not want. The others talk about the deal made to allow him to display the M-1 logo on his shorts. I will try to find the ones where they talk about the international league but first i need to go visit the beer vending machine down the street.

wujcik
03.08.2009, 09:53
Sherdog is reputable..

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/update-m-1-discusses-fedor-ufc-talks-18792

I think you misunderstood what you read.

Why would the UFC want to share the huge profit that they're making? Right now they're unstoppable. Let M-1 do their own work
that supports everything I said.

MANMADE
03.08.2009, 09:54
UFC said he'd still be allowed to fight Sambo

He can wear whatever logos he wants

He can hang M-1 banners and shit

They offered him 30 mil.

They want the UFC to be apart of the M-1 company and reap the benefits that UFC creates

Dana is 100% right in what he's doing

wujcik
03.08.2009, 10:14
UFC said he'd still be allowed to fight Sambo

He can wear whatever logos he wants

He can hang M-1 banners and shit

They offered him 30 mil.

They want the UFC to be apart of the M-1 company and reap the benefits that UFC creates

Dana is 100% right in what he's doing



“Our offer was very simple,” said Finkelstein. “We offered to have a co-promotion -- two fights, three fights, doesn’t matter. And we were ready to invest in that show together and to get the profit together. But the UFC made a different offer that was a very good offer. But the same offer (they made), we can actually make to their champion. We can also offer millions to them and one, two, three, four fights to them.”

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“We are open,” Finkelstein said. “We do want to work with the UFC. We do want to work with other organizations. That is not our problem.”

Fedor does not want to be a UFC contracted fighter. He wants to be able to roam but if he wins the title:

The prospect of Emelianenko competing in Sambo apparently is no longer a sticking point, which is swell, but it's unlikely Emelianenko would ever submit to UFC's perpetual-champion clause, which gives the organization the right to promote a fighter holding a belt until they lose it.
This would force him to only fight UFC fights. He would be unable to take part in more profitable matches outside the UFC.

notanotherhonda
03.08.2009, 10:29
UFC said he'd still be allowed to fight Sambo

He can wear whatever logos he wants

He can hang M-1 banners and shit

They offered him 30 mil.

They want the UFC to be apart of the M-1 company and reap the benefits that UFC creates

Dana is 100% right in what he's doing

the 30 mil/6 fight RUMOR was not real. but i do think dana is right.

F1SHy
03.08.2009, 10:29
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wujcik
03.08.2009, 10:37
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Supernintendo Chalmers
03.08.2009, 10:44
who cares? humans obviously aren't capable of defeating him anyway. they should start an MMA league in africa where he can fight gorillas and tigers.

wujcik
03.08.2009, 10:53
who cares? humans obviously aren't capable of defeating him anyway. they should start an MMA league in africa where he can fight gorillas and tigers.
I would pay to see that, roman gladiator style!

ilovethisshit
03.08.2009, 12:14
oh yea because apparently brock lesnar is THE BEST :roll: :roll: :roll:
AND FEDOR FEARS THE BEST :roll: :roll: :roll:

F1SHy
03.08.2009, 13:15
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/?go=forum.posts&thread=1500742&forum=1&page=1&pc=113

STRIKEFORCE GOT FEDOR

score one for scott coker....
dana is probably PISSED

notanotherhonda
03.08.2009, 13:24
now we can watch the greateat HW of all time fight bullshit no ones in strikeforce. how great for the sport.

F1SHy
03.08.2009, 13:25
now we can watch the greateat HW of all time fight bullshit no ones in strikeforce. how great for the sport.

overeem, verdum, rogers, and every other heavyweight outside the ufc arent exactly nobodies..

strikeforce understands that co promotion isnt really the worst thing at their level.. also dana (until now) lieks scott coker because he built his brand right.. regional and slow growth rather than hemorrhage money and try to compete with the ufc

F1SHy
03.08.2009, 13:32
now we can watch the greateat HW of all time fight bullshit no ones in strikeforce. how great for the sport.

who does the ufc have ? seriously i still don't buy into the brock lesnar hype... frank mir is overrated as hell and no one wants to see fedor vs nog 4

randy.. slaughter
carwin... would end up just like coleman 1 and 2
gonzaga.. maybe?
crocop2.. hell no

notanotherhonda
03.08.2009, 13:48
barnett i think woulda gave him a good run. but hede never come to ufc again.

carwin would be a decent fight....on the feet.

gonzaga ide like to see.

lesnar would be a good thing to see happen...to see lesnar get that ass whooped.



i think ufc should bring lashley over and have him fight lesnar. thatde be...ok i guess.

notanotherhonda
03.08.2009, 13:48
oh, and ufc has velasquez. hes always good to watch

F1SHy
03.08.2009, 13:50
barnett i think woulda gave him a good run. but hede never come to ufc again.

carwin would be a decent fight....on the feet.

gonzaga ide like to see.

lesnar would be a good thing to see happen...to see lesnar get that ass whooped.



i think ufc should bring lashley over and have him fight lesnar. thatde be...ok i guess.

after the steroid fiasco and josh killing affliction *(sorry just the promotion not the shitty t shirts guys) i dont think we'll ever see barnett fight in the US again

notanotherhonda
03.08.2009, 13:59
i dont have a problem with that, woulda been a fight ive been waiting to see forever though