The WRS is sort of a joke...

[DanRine]

Actually I think the WRS is an awesome concept and has the potential to get better every year like Bittercold does. But they really need to be a standard panel of judges that know what the fuck is up.

Winterclash, Hoedown, and some others were basically judging flukes that rank amature rollerbladers with the likes of Haffey and Franky.

Rollerblading is unpredictable, but just because theres a new face skating hard at a comp and its exciting to see doesnt mean they deserve to win.

1 Brian Aragon
2 Chris Haffey
2 Julien Cudot
4 Roman Abrate
5 Montre Livingston
5 David Sizemore
7 Brian Shima
8 Mathias Silhan
9 Stephen Swain
9 Alex Broskow
9 CJ Wellsmore
12 Erik Bailey
13 Sven Boekhorst
13 Romain godenaire
15 Franky Morales
15 Nick Lomax
15 Franco Camayo

Julien Cudot tied with Haffey. Franky barely makes the top 15 while Roman Abrate and Stephen Swain are in the top 10.. what a joke.

[Quark]

Actually I think the WRS is an awesome concept and has the potential to get better every year like Bittercold does. But they really need to be a standard panel of judges that know what the fuck is up.

Winterclash, Hoedown, and some others were basically judging flukes that rank amature rollerbladers with the likes of Haffey and Franky.

Rollerblading is unpredictable, but just because theres a new face skating hard at a comp and its exciting to see doesnt mean they deserve to win.

1 Brian Aragon
2 Chris Haffey
2 Julien Cudot
4 Roman Abrate
5 Montre Livingston
5 David Sizemore
7 Brian Shima
8 Mathias Silhan
9 Stephen Swain
9 Alex Broskow
9 CJ Wellsmore
12 Erik Bailey
13 Sven Boekhorst
13 Romain godenaire
15 Franky Morales
15 Nick Lomax
15 Franco Camayo

Julien Cudot tied with Haffey. Franky barely makes the top 15 while Roman Abrate and Stephen Swain are in the top 10.. what a joke.

So you are saying that a newcomer on the comp circuit doesn´t deserve to win for the hard shit he throws down for the single reason of being unknown? That doesn't make any sense. Cudot absolutely killed it this whole year and in my opinion deserved every one of his wins.

[jonathan]

Each competition has a new set of judges. There is literally no standard for judging. THe kids at skatebarn judged the barn burner, and shima won.

:?


Yeah, that's great and all but he didn't do shit. honeslty he didn't. They just wanted thier hero to win.

[gatsby]

it is flawed

your logic

[SthlmRoller]

that ranking is based on the skaters performances of the WRS comps right? so it doesn't really matter that some pro skater is better than some of the am skaters up on the list, they just made it out to alot of the WRS competitions and earned point while probably the pros didn't as much.

it doesn't mean that haffey got outskated by some am it's just within the WRS ranking

[jonathan]

it is flawed

your logic

biased judging and inconsistent standards resulting in off beat results?

I suppose that's not a flawed system.

[basshole]

So you are saying that a newcomer on the comp circuit doesn´t deserve to win for the hard shit he throws down for the single reason of being unknown? That doesn't make any sense.

[pltxroll]

there needs to be a set panel of judges or something like that... although I like the hoedown... the judging was certainly biased... my opinion.

[Gonzalo]

Julien Cudot tied with Haffey. Franky barely makes the top 15 while Roman Abrate and Stephen Swain are in the top 10.. what a joke.

When was the last WRS comp edit where you saw Franky do more than a couple of tricks? Just because he's a legend doesn't mean he should win without actually doing something to deserve it. Flawed logic is flawed.

[fast eddie]

there needs to be a set panel of judges or something like that... although I like the hoedown... the judging was certainly biased... my opinion.


who would pay for the same group of people to fly to all of the WRS sanctioned events just to judge?

:lol:

[Tatersalad]

It doesn't matter how good someone is at skating. All that matters is what they throw down on the day of the comp. Haffey and Franky are some of the best rollerbladers ever but they should never win a comp over someone who skated better that day just based on that fact.

As for the judging, don't the skaters in the finals judge themselves or is that some other rolling comp/series that I'm thinking of?

[jonathan]

Julien Cudot tied with Haffey. Franky barely makes the top 15 while Roman Abrate and Stephen Swain are in the top 10.. what a joke.

When was the last WRS comp edit where you saw Franky do more than a couple of tricks? Just because he's a legend doesn't mean he should win without actually doing something to deserve it. Flawed logic is flawed.


He did a shit ton of skating at the barn burner and the judges were on shima's jock too much to pay notice to him.

One of hte sickest tricks at that comp was by franky.


Every SINGLE competition has a DIFFERENT pannel of judges. Each new pair of judges have different standards or don't even know about rollerblading.. at least on the technical aspect of it.

[alanchrishughes]

there definitely should be some standardized judging if there isn't already, but...



So you are saying that a newcomer on the comp circuit doesn´t deserve to win for the hard shit he throws down for the single reason of being unknown? That doesn't make any sense.

[fast eddie]

Every SINGLE competition has a DIFFERENT pannel of judges. Each new pair of judges have different standards or don't even know about rollerblading.. at least on the technical aspect of it.

any competition organizers that let people judge that have no knowledge of skating should not be allowed to host an event.

all of the judges at my comp had been skating for at least 11 years and know what makes for a good run.

[jonathan]

Every SINGLE competition has a DIFFERENT pannel of judges. Each new pair of judges have different standards or don't even know about rollerblading.. at least on the technical aspect of it.

any competition organizers that let people judge that have no knowledge of skating should not be allowed to host an event.

all of the judges at my comp had been skating for at least 11 years and know what makes for a good run.

That's your comp. Every competition has different standards. I know a few judges weren't in rollerbladers but the skatepark's position had no rollerbladers who were on the level of organizing an event. This kind of thing happens a lot.

There hsould be a requirement, but there is not.

[anton_mr]

WRS ranking list is just a score table of those who take part in competitions. So it shows who's been the most active and successful at competitions this year. It doesn't mean that this rider is better than that rider, it's debatable who is better and legends are legends.

[Gonzalo]

As for the judging, don't the skaters in the finals judge themselves or is that some other rolling comp/series that I'm thinking of?

Only the hoedown does that

[UnknownPleasures]

As for the judging, don't the skaters in the finals judge themselves or is that some other rolling comp/series that I'm thinking of?

Only the hoedown does that

Nope, BCSD did that this year.

[skating101]

Winterclash, Hoedown, and some others were basically judging flukes that rank amature rollerbladers with the likes of Haffey and Franky.
Julien Cudot tied with Haffey. Franky barely makes the top 15 while Roman Abrate and Stephen Swain are in the top 10.. what a joke.

the WRS isnt the best rollerbladers ever list, its the best rollerbladers at those competitions which means that newcomers can do just as well as seasoned pros. dont hate just cause your favourite skaters didnt skate as well on the day

[kike mallahan]

ITT: Haffey doesn't win for showing up to a comp anymore because of French people. DanRine is a hipster.

[-nico-]

Actually I think the WRS is an awesome concept and has the potential to get better every year like Bittercold does. But they really need to be a standard panel of judges that know what the fuck is up.

Winterclash, Hoedown, and some others were basically judging flukes that rank amature rollerbladers with the likes of Haffey and Franky.

Rollerblading is unpredictable, but just because theres a new face skating hard at a comp and its exciting to see doesnt mean they deserve to win.

1 Brian Aragon
2 Chris Haffey
2 Julien Cudot
4 Roman Abrate
5 Montre Livingston
5 David Sizemore
7 Brian Shima
8 Mathias Silhan
9 Stephen Swain
9 Alex Broskow
9 CJ Wellsmore
12 Erik Bailey
13 Sven Boekhorst
13 Romain godenaire
15 Franky Morales
15 Nick Lomax
15 Franco Camayo

Julien Cudot tied with Haffey. Franky barely makes the top 15 while Roman Abrate and Stephen Swain are in the top 10.. what a joke.

This is a rank based on the results of seperate individual contests... the WRS just ties them all together, WRS does not run the contests themselves. There will always be different judging because of that reason. in a perfect world the judging would be fair, but its not. So, my point is that a nobody can be number one and id be happy because he probably skated hard as FUCK to get there while competing against seasoned professionals that have more experience and exposure. Let the "nobodys" shine for a bit, cause the legends will always be in the spotlight if they keep skating hard. and i think dats da troof

[killinemsoftly]

Every SINGLE competition has a DIFFERENT pannel of judges. Each new pair of judges have different standards or don't even know about rollerblading.. at least on the technical aspect of it.

any competition organizers that let people judge that have no knowledge of skating should not be allowed to host an event.

all of the judges at my comp had been skating for at least 11 years and know what makes for a good run.

That's your comp. Every competition has different standards. I know a few judges weren't in rollerbladers but the skatepark's position had no rollerbladers who were on the level of organizing an event. This kind of thing happens a lot.

There hsould be a requirement, but there is not.

if every comp has different standards why in the HELL would you want the same judges judging the same way every competition?

AND who decides the judges? its not like we know how the people we pick are going to know how to judge just because they have been skating a long time... and especially if they have never skated before...

[*ROYALwithCHEESE*]

boohooo

so you win the WRS?

Then what?

You've won the honour of never been labelled a gay ass fruitbooter?

You win a hot chick and a puppy?

[Josh_Morrison]

your logic is stupid, however I do believe their should be a consistent panel of judges

but saying 'pros' should win just based on their reputation is stupid

[screen name?]

shima souled the roll-in at barn burner.

nuff said

[DanRine]

When did I say that Pros should be judged based on their reputation? My logic isn't flawed, people just don't get what I'm saying. Pros are actually hurt by their reputation.. people are more excited to see CJ do a 450 royale stall on the sub box than Aragon doing a disaster fakie 5 inspin topacid. I don't remember any Julien Cudot tricks besides spin tricks on a sub box or disaster box. So like I said its exciting to see these guys hucking themselves but it doesn't mean they should place ahead of the pros who are actually skating better.

Who judges Bittercold? They always seem to get it right.. the WRS could be a lot better if the Bittercold judges judged every comp.

[the bear]

damn wtf, cj and broskow didnt place top 5? :shock:

[*ROYALwithCHEESE*]

I like the way its being judged.
If you go too much by the book the WRS will end up as predictable as the DEW tour.
unfortuantely you are right, people like Aragon get judged poorly because people are sick of seeing his 'hard' tricks.

[skating101]

When did I say that Pros should be judged based on their reputation? My logic isn't flawed, people just don't get what I'm saying. Pros are actually hurt by their reputation.. people are more excited to see CJ do a 450 royale stall on the sub box than Aragon doing a disaster fakie 5 inspin topacid. I don't remember any Julien Cudot tricks besides spin tricks on a sub box or disaster box. So like I said its exciting to see these guys hucking themselves but it doesn't mean they should place ahead of the pros who are actually skating better.

Who judges Bittercold? They always seem to get it right.. the WRS could be a lot better if the Bittercold judges judged every comp.

competitions arent just about the most impressive tricks they are about who skated the most consistent and best on the day and quite often that would be CJ regardless despite the edits

[basshole]

When did I say that Pros should be judged based on their reputation? My logic isn't flawed, people just don't get what I'm saying. Pros are actually hurt by their reputation.. people are more excited to see CJ do a 450 royale stall on the sub box than Aragon doing a disaster fakie 5 inspin topacid. I don't remember any Julien Cudot tricks besides spin tricks on a sub box or disaster box. So like I said its exciting to see these guys hucking themselves but it doesn't mean they should place ahead of the pros who are actually skating better.

Who judges Bittercold? They always seem to get it right.. the WRS could be a lot better if the Bittercold judges judged every comp.

have you actually seen cj skate?

[DanRine]

When did I say that Pros should be judged based on their reputation? My logic isn't flawed, people just don't get what I'm saying. Pros are actually hurt by their reputation.. people are more excited to see CJ do a 450 royale stall on the sub box than Aragon doing a disaster fakie 5 inspin topacid. I don't remember any Julien Cudot tricks besides spin tricks on a sub box or disaster box. So like I said its exciting to see these guys hucking themselves but it doesn't mean they should place ahead of the pros who are actually skating better.

Who judges Bittercold? They always seem to get it right.. the WRS could be a lot better if the Bittercold judges judged every comp.

have you actually seen cj skate?

Yes. I watched the Hoedown edit at least 20 times.. super dope edit. CJ did a 450 royale stall and the crowd went wild.. as I referred to in my post. Now why are you asking me this?

[alf]

dom hipstah

[skating101]

When did I say that Pros should be judged based on their reputation? My logic isn't flawed, people just don't get what I'm saying. Pros are actually hurt by their reputation.. people are more excited to see CJ do a 450 royale stall on the sub box than Aragon doing a disaster fakie 5 inspin topacid. I don't remember any Julien Cudot tricks besides spin tricks on a sub box or disaster box. So like I said its exciting to see these guys hucking themselves but it doesn't mean they should place ahead of the pros who are actually skating better.

Who judges Bittercold? They always seem to get it right.. the WRS could be a lot better if the Bittercold judges judged every comp.

have you actually seen cj skate?

Yes. I watched the Hoedown edit at least 20 times.. super dope edit. CJ did a 450 royale stall and the crowd went wild.. as I referred to in my post. Now why are you asking me this?

competitions arent judged on edits mate

[DanRine]

dom hipstah

Dom flannels are dope.

[DanRine]

When did I say that Pros should be judged based on their reputation? My logic isn't flawed, people just don't get what I'm saying. Pros are actually hurt by their reputation.. people are more excited to see CJ do a 450 royale stall on the sub box than Aragon doing a disaster fakie 5 inspin topacid. I don't remember any Julien Cudot tricks besides spin tricks on a sub box or disaster box. So like I said its exciting to see these guys hucking themselves but it doesn't mean they should place ahead of the pros who are actually skating better.

Who judges Bittercold? They always seem to get it right.. the WRS could be a lot better if the Bittercold judges judged every comp.

have you actually seen cj skate?

Yes. I watched the Hoedown edit at least 20 times.. super dope edit. CJ did a 450 royale stall and the crowd went wild.. as I referred to in my post. Now why are you asking me this?

competitions arent judged on edits mate

No they are judged on skating. The same skating that gets filmed and used in the edits.

[tonyrivituso]

When did I say that Pros should be judged based on their reputation? My logic isn't flawed, people just don't get what I'm saying. Pros are actually hurt by their reputation.. people are more excited to see CJ do a 450 royale stall on the sub box than Aragon doing a disaster fakie 5 inspin topacid. I don't remember any Julien Cudot tricks besides spin tricks on a sub box or disaster box. So like I said its exciting to see these guys hucking themselves but it doesn't mean they should place ahead of the pros who are actually skating better.

Who judges Bittercold? They always seem to get it right.. the WRS could be a lot better if the Bittercold judges judged every comp.

you fail.

hoedown has the most flawless judging system to date...their peers.



Yes. I watched the Hoedown edit at least 20 times.. super dope edit. CJ did a 450 royale stall and the crowd went wild.. as I referred to in my post. Now why are you asking me this?

you have never seen CJ skate.

[DanRine]

When did I say that Pros should be judged based on their reputation? My logic isn't flawed, people just don't get what I'm saying. Pros are actually hurt by their reputation.. people are more excited to see CJ do a 450 royale stall on the sub box than Aragon doing a disaster fakie 5 inspin topacid. I don't remember any Julien Cudot tricks besides spin tricks on a sub box or disaster box. So like I said its exciting to see these guys hucking themselves but it doesn't mean they should place ahead of the pros who are actually skating better.

Who judges Bittercold? They always seem to get it right.. the WRS could be a lot better if the Bittercold judges judged every comp.

you fail.

hoedown has the most flawless judging system to date...their peers.



Yes. I watched the Hoedown edit at least 20 times.. super dope edit. CJ did a 450 royale stall and the crowd went wild.. as I referred to in my post. Now why are you asking me this?

you have never seen CJ skate.

Seen him skate in real life? No I haven't. I don't know what that has to do with anything but yes you're right about that.

And there IS a flaw in that judging system and it should be completely obvious. Haffey and Aragon are gonna be humble and clearly not gonna vote for themselves.. instead they will vote for the dude who skated his ass off trying to keep up with them. Other people in the finals will also be excited that CJ came out and skated so hard so they'll give him the win like its basically a way of giving him props.

[basshole]

Haffey and Aragon are gonna be humble and clearly not gonna vote for themselves.. instead they will vote for the dude who skated his ass off trying to keep up with them

oh that explains everything

[tonyrivituso]

And there IS a flaw in that judging system and it should be completely obvious. Haffey and Aragon are gonna be humble and clearly not gonna vote for themselves.. instead they will vote for the dude who skated his ass off trying to keep up with them. Other people in the finals will also be excited that CJ came out and skated so hard so they'll give him the win like its basically a way of giving him props.

does this make sense to anyone else?

[DanRine]

And there IS a flaw in that judging system and it should be completely obvious. Haffey and Aragon are gonna be humble and clearly not gonna vote for themselves.. instead they will vote for the dude who skated his ass off trying to keep up with them. Other people in the finals will also be excited that CJ came out and skated so hard so they'll give him the win like its basically a way of giving him props.

does this make sense to anyone else?

Maybe not.. the concepts of humility and getting caught up in the excitement of the moment and favoring the underdog may be complex and difficult to understand.

[Tatersalad]

And there IS a flaw in that judging system and it should be completely obvious. Haffey and Aragon are gonna be humble and clearly not gonna vote for themselves.. instead they will vote for the dude who skated his ass off trying to keep up with them. Other people in the finals will also be excited that CJ came out and skated so hard so they'll give him the win like its basically a way of giving him props.

does this make sense to anyone else?

Maybe not.. the concepts of humility and getting caught up in the excitement of the moment and favoring the underdog may be complex and difficult to understand.

or maybe you just don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

[Rotgut]

Who judges Bittercold? They always seem to get it right.. the WRS could be a lot better if the Bittercold judges judged every comp.I may be mistaken but wasn't that the contest in which Aragon won with a rolled grind?

[caisenma]

And there IS a flaw in that judging system and it should be completely obvious. Haffey and Aragon are gonna be humble and clearly not gonna vote for themselves.. instead they will vote for the dude who skated his ass off trying to keep up with them. Other people in the finals will also be excited that CJ came out and skated so hard so they'll give him the win like its basically a way of giving him props.

does this make sense to anyone else?

Maybe not.. the concepts of humility and getting caught up in the excitement of the moment and favoring the underdog may be complex and difficult to understand.

or maybe you just don't know what the fuck you're talking about.


:lol:

[DanRine]

Who judges Bittercold? They always seem to get it right.. the WRS could be a lot better if the Bittercold judges judged every comp.I may be mistaken but wasn't that the contest in which Aragon won with a rolled grind?

Three years ago. And thats a fairly small mistake since he did a lot of other tricks.

[tonyrivituso]

And there IS a flaw in that judging system and it should be completely obvious. Haffey and Aragon are gonna be humble and clearly not gonna vote for themselves.. instead they will vote for the dude who skated his ass off trying to keep up with them. Other people in the finals will also be excited that CJ came out and skated so hard so they'll give him the win like its basically a way of giving him props.

does this make sense to anyone else?

Maybe not.. the concepts of humility and getting caught up in the excitement of the moment and favoring the underdog may be complex and difficult to understand.

oh, i get it now....haffey and aragon didn't win because they didn't vote for themselves. not because CJ consistantly dominated thoughout the entirety of the competition. thanks for clearing that up for me.

[basshole]

And there IS a flaw in that judging system and it should be completely obvious. Haffey and Aragon are gonna be humble and clearly not gonna vote for themselves.. instead they will vote for the dude who skated his ass off trying to keep up with them. Other people in the finals will also be excited that CJ came out and skated so hard so they'll give him the win like its basically a way of giving him props.

does this make sense to anyone else?

Maybe not.. the concepts of humility and getting caught up in the excitement of the moment and favoring the underdog may be complex and difficult to understand.

oh, i get it now....haffey and aragon didn't win because they didn't vote for themselves. not because CJ consistantly dominated thoughout the entirety of the competition. thanks for clearing that up for me.

duh tony, youre such a slow learner

[DanRine]

And there IS a flaw in that judging system and it should be completely obvious. Haffey and Aragon are gonna be humble and clearly not gonna vote for themselves.. instead they will vote for the dude who skated his ass off trying to keep up with them. Other people in the finals will also be excited that CJ came out and skated so hard so they'll give him the win like its basically a way of giving him props.

does this make sense to anyone else?

Maybe not.. the concepts of humility and getting caught up in the excitement of the moment and favoring the underdog may be complex and difficult to understand.

or maybe you just don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Alright I'll dumb it down for you as much as possible.

In the Hoedown, Aragon and Haffey both laced a MUCH larger variety of tricks, and they were harder tricks as well.

Now CJ was a new face skating hard and competing with the pros, everyone got caught up in the excitement of the underdog coming out and battling with Haffey and the likes.. so they voted him to win. Now the other concept you are having trouble with is that Aragon and Haffey, as judges, might be uncomfortable voting for themselves as the winners. This is called humility, and since Haffey does not seem like the the cocky type, I would assume he cast his vote with some humility.

Thats about as simple as I can make it for you guys.

[tonyrivituso]

And there IS a flaw in that judging system and it should be completely obvious. Haffey and Aragon are gonna be humble and clearly not gonna vote for themselves.. instead they will vote for the dude who skated his ass off trying to keep up with them. Other people in the finals will also be excited that CJ came out and skated so hard so they'll give him the win like its basically a way of giving him props.

does this make sense to anyone else?

Maybe not.. the concepts of humility and getting caught up in the excitement of the moment and favoring the underdog may be complex and difficult to understand.

or maybe you just don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Alright I'll dumb it down for you as much as possible.

In the Hoedown, Aragon and Haffey both laced a MUCH larger variety of tricks, and they were harder tricks as well.

Now CJ was a new face skating hard and competing with the pros, everyone got caught up in the excitement of the underdog coming out and battling with Haffey and the likes.. so they voted him to win. Now the other concept you are having trouble with is that Aragon and Haffey, as judges, might be uncomfortable voting for themselves as the winners. This is called humility, and since Haffey does not seem like the the cocky type, I would assume he cast his vote with some humility.

Thats about as simple as I can make it for you guys.

this logic would make sense if there were 5...6 people competing/judging...i wasn't there, but i am assuming there were many more participating in the festivities.

so basically, you are trying to convince me that all these competitors/judges got caught up in the moment and opted to cast their vote for someone who didn't rightfully deserve it? it has been clarified time and time again that judging was not based on best trick...rather, who skated the most consistantly throughout the event.

fuck humility...do you expect everyone to vote for themselves...NO...you vote for who you think did better than you, votes are tallied, and a victor is declared...thats as simple as i can make it for you.

[Vince Zywczak]

And there IS a flaw in that judging system and it should be completely obvious. Haffey and Aragon are gonna be humble and clearly not gonna vote for themselves.. instead they will vote for the dude who skated his ass off trying to keep up with them. Other people in the finals will also be excited that CJ came out and skated so hard so they'll give him the win like its basically a way of giving him props.

does this make sense to anyone else?

Maybe not.. the concepts of humility and getting caught up in the excitement of the moment and favoring the underdog may be complex and difficult to understand.

or maybe you just don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Alright I'll dumb it down for you as much as possible.

In the Hoedown, Aragon and Haffey both laced a MUCH larger variety of tricks, and they were harder tricks as well.

Now CJ was a new face skating hard and competing with the pros, everyone got caught up in the excitement of the underdog coming out and battling with Haffey and the likes.. so they voted him to win. Now the other concept you are having trouble with is that Aragon and Haffey, as judges, might be uncomfortable voting for themselves as the winners. This is called humility, and since Haffey does not seem like the the cocky type, I would assume he cast his vote with some humility.

Thats about as simple as I can make it for you guys.

this logic would make sense if there were 5...6 people competing/judging...i wasn't there, but i am assuming there were many more participating in the festivities.

so basically, you are trying to convince me that all these competitors/judges got caught up in the moment and opted to cast their vote for someone who didn't rightfully deserve it? it has been clarified time and time again that judging was not based on best trick...rather, who skated the most consistantly throughout the event.

fuck humility...do you expect everyone to vote for themselves...NO...you vote for who you think did better than you, votes are tallied, and a victor is declared...thats as simple as i can make it for you.

actually thats exactly his point and in the case of the hoedown, judging from the edit hes completely right. Haffey and Aragon fucking murdered that park but since everyone is so used to them killing it every year it was a lot easier to get caught up in the new guys tricks (CJ) so everyone voted him for the win their. thats an obvious flaw in the peer judging system. this is only based on bmo's edit so I dont know how accurate it is, but it does expose one of the flaws of that system.

All I know is that I cant watch that hoedown edit and not think that haffey or aragon deserved that win no question.

edit: just want people to know I am not jumping on the anti wellsmore hate train, this is just a good example of what danrine is talking about. I wasnt at the hoedown

[*ROYALwithCHEESE*]

what we need to do is make up points for each trick , minus points for falls and turn rollerblading into a sport.

http://schol.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/national-sarcasm.jpg

[tonyrivituso]

in the case of the hoedown, judging from the edit hes completely right.

All I know is that I cant watch that hoedown edit and not think that haffey or aragon deserved that win no question.




competitions arent judged on edits mate

[DanRine]

And there IS a flaw in that judging system and it should be completely obvious. Haffey and Aragon are gonna be humble and clearly not gonna vote for themselves.. instead they will vote for the dude who skated his ass off trying to keep up with them. Other people in the finals will also be excited that CJ came out and skated so hard so they'll give him the win like its basically a way of giving him props.

does this make sense to anyone else?

Maybe not.. the concepts of humility and getting caught up in the excitement of the moment and favoring the underdog may be complex and difficult to understand.

or maybe you just don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Alright I'll dumb it down for you as much as possible.

In the Hoedown, Aragon and Haffey both laced a MUCH larger variety of tricks, and they were harder tricks as well.

Now CJ was a new face skating hard and competing with the pros, everyone got caught up in the excitement of the underdog coming out and battling with Haffey and the likes.. so they voted him to win. Now the other concept you are having trouble with is that Aragon and Haffey, as judges, might be uncomfortable voting for themselves as the winners. This is called humility, and since Haffey does not seem like the the cocky type, I would assume he cast his vote with some humility.

Thats about as simple as I can make it for you guys.

this logic would make sense if there were 5...6 people competing/judging...i wasn't there, but i am assuming there were many more participating in the festivities.

so basically, you are trying to convince me that all these competitors/judges got caught up in the moment and opted to cast their vote for someone who didn't rightfully deserve it? it has been clarified time and time again that judging was not based on best trick...rather, who skated the most consistantly throughout the event.

fuck humility...do you expect everyone to vote for themselves...NO...you vote for who you think did better than you, votes are tallied, and a victor is declared...thats as simple as i can make it for you.

NO.. I don't expect people to vote for themselves. That is what I just said.. twice. You vote for someone else.. even if they DIDNT out skate you, because you don't want to seem cocky voting for yourself. And YES.. I am telling you that the judges got caught up in the moment, please don't ask me to repeat that again. And I understand that it wasn't a best trick comp.. thats why I mentioned that Haffey and Aragon did a GREATER VARIETY of tricks (that were also harder). Do you need me to repeat myself a fourth time or will this do?

[DanRine]

in the case of the hoedown, judging from the edit hes completely right.

All I know is that I cant watch that hoedown edit and not think that haffey or aragon deserved that win no question.




competitions arent judged on edits mate



No they are judged on skating. The same skating that gets filmed and used in the edits.
You don't get the falls but you get just about everything else from the edit. Im getting sick of repeating myself.. goodnight.

[tonyrivituso]

thats why I mentioned that Haffey and Aragon did a GREATER VARIETY of tricks (that were also harder).

these must be facts from your in-depth study of the single hoedown edit to come out.

something these edits don't clarify, is that these more diverse/difficult tricks...understandably so...took more tries. everytime cj dropped in, somewhere amidst him bombing around the park...he managed to make everyones jaw drop. consistency. that is why he won, not because they were excited for a loud, obnoxious, piss-drunk aussie that skated well.

[Tatersalad]

And there IS a flaw in that judging system and it should be completely obvious. Haffey and Aragon are gonna be humble and clearly not gonna vote for themselves.. instead they will vote for the dude who skated his ass off trying to keep up with them. Other people in the finals will also be excited that CJ came out and skated so hard so they'll give him the win like its basically a way of giving him props.

does this make sense to anyone else?

Maybe not.. the concepts of humility and getting caught up in the excitement of the moment and favoring the underdog may be complex and difficult to understand.

or maybe you just don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Alright I'll dumb it down for you as much as possible.

In the Hoedown, Aragon and Haffey both laced a MUCH larger variety of tricks, and they were harder tricks as well.

Now CJ was a new face skating hard and competing with the pros, everyone got caught up in the excitement of the underdog coming out and battling with Haffey and the likes.. so they voted him to win. Now the other concept you are having trouble with is that Aragon and Haffey, as judges, might be uncomfortable voting for themselves as the winners. This is called humility, and since Haffey does not seem like the the cocky type, I would assume he cast his vote with some humility.

Thats about as simple as I can make it for you guys.

Were you there or are you judging it based solely on the one edit that was put online? From what I read/seen of the Hoedown it wasn't humility or this underdog shit you keep spewing but rather the fact that CJ landed his tricks a lot more consistently than Aragon/Haffey on a wider variety of obstacles.


It was well deserved. Haffey did some amazing tricks, but not too many of them (it took him a lot of tries to land his tricks). Aragon also did good tricks, but they were pretty much the same ones he does every year, on the same obstacle.To be fair, Aragon cut his hand early in the finals and lost a bunch of time getting it wrapped up. Overall, both Aragon and Haffey stuck to a single obstacle, but CJ skated a variety of them and did a lot of his tricks in lines.


If you were there you'd understand why cj won.
he was way consistent and just used the park better.
that edit was waaaayyy good to bmo.
ima see you tomorrow at TNS!


If you have a problem with the winners, take it to the 20+ judges. Also, don't forget that the winners are decided in the final round, not the whole comp. A lot of the tricks you see Aragon and Haffey do in the edit were landed in the prelims and supersession. Aragon got hurt early in the finals (cut his hand) and didn't start skating again until almost the end. Haffey skated only the new extension, pretty much (and it took him several tries to get the tricks you saw in the edit). CJ, on the other hand, was landing huge tricks ledft and right throughout the whole duration of the finals.

and then there's this gem from the Hoedown edit thread:


Haffeys tricks totally shat on everyone but if the judges were looking for consistency and number of tricks I can see how CJ won.. dude killed it.


:lol:

[tonyrivituso]

and then there's this gem from the Hoedown edit thread:


Haffeys tricks totally shat on everyone but if the judges were looking for consistency and number of tricks I can see how CJ won.. dude killed it.


:lol:

someone knows how to stick to their guns... :lol:

[Apsley Cherry-Garrard]

i dont care about WRS, all i gotta say is that i've watch CJ skate at 3 comps and in those 3 comps he's done 2 soul tricks, both at the same comp.


h-block wellsmore.

[*ROYALwithCHEESE*]

i dont care about WRS, all i gotta say is that i've watch CJ skate at 3 comps and in those 3 comps he's done 2 soul tricks, both at the same comp.


h-block wellsmore.

plenty of edits of souls tricks.

[bull]

DanRine is a hipster.

[Apsley Cherry-Garrard]

i dont care about WRS, all i gotta say is that i've watch CJ skate at 3 comps and in those 3 comps he's done 2 soul tricks, both at the same comp.


h-block wellsmore.

plenty of edits of souls tricks.

comps are judged by what tricks are done at the comp.
when he goes to comps he does hblock tricks.

he's fun to watch, but the trick variety is not there.

[alf]

there needs to be a judging system put in order before you can even begin to take any of the contests seriously, and otherwise contests in a whole are just fucking lame to begin with

[jonathan]

i dont care about WRS, all i gotta say is that i've watch CJ skate at 3 comps and in those 3 comps he's done 2 soul tricks, both at the same comp.


h-block wellsmore.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[*ROYALwithCHEESE*]

i dont care about WRS, all i gotta say is that i've watch CJ skate at 3 comps and in those 3 comps he's done 2 soul tricks, both at the same comp.


h-block wellsmore.

plenty of edits of souls tricks.

comps are judged by what tricks are done at the comp.
when he goes to comps he does hblock tricks.

he's fun to watch, but the trick variety is not there.


I only like the dudes skating because he actually airs shit, comps for a while turned into fucking box jams.

[pltxroll]

i think it's dumb when somebody already in the spotlight wins a comp just cause they got a "name"... especially if someone else was lacing shit hardcore all day against them in a "comp" format... i think that* person should deserve the prize money.

another thing i notice is that sometimes during comps like the hoedown where the judging is based on skaters themselves... favoritism over-rules... meaning the only people that advance usually are the people that are always traveling attending comps in different places aka these comp seekers already know each other so of-course they are gonna vote for each other to advance because they KNOW each other (possibly even good friends)... = "biased" & BS judging...

we all know that some people can be on point one day in a competition and totally suck in another... but the people that are totally sucking that day... should not advance. let some other newcomers shine for once... i think it's dumb to hold some pros in such high regards when their skating doesn't speak for itself on a particular comp day*.

my opinion... but in reality, i don't skate in comps really so idgaf.

[Freddy White]

To save some time, I'll just quote this real quick :


your logic is stupid, however I do believe their should be a consistent panel of judges

Now, I'd be interested to know who actually ever judged a comp ?

[Gonzalo]

And there IS a flaw in that judging system and it should be completely obvious. Haffey and Aragon are gonna be humble and clearly not gonna vote for themselves.. instead they will vote for the dude who skated his ass off trying to keep up with them. Other people in the finals will also be excited that CJ came out and skated so hard so they'll give him the win like its basically a way of giving him props.

Too bad you have this completely wrong and have no clue of what you're talking about. At no point are skaters at the Hoedown put in a position where they could vote for themselves. During the 3 preliminary heats, the skaters in heat C vote on heat A, the ones on heat A vote on B and so on. In the super session, all of the skaters who didn't make it past the prelims vote on who will be the top 5 going into the finals. And in the finals, all of the skaters who got eliminated previously vote on the final ranking.

[s.]

and then there's this gem from the Hoedown edit thread:


Haffeys tricks totally shat on everyone but if the judges were looking for consistency and number of tricks I can see how CJ won.. dude killed it.


:lol:

someone knows how to stick to their guns... :lol:

[Inspiration]

When did I say that Pros should be judged based on their reputation? My logic isn't flawed, people just don't get what I'm saying. Pros are actually hurt by their reputation.. people are more excited to see CJ do a 450 royale stall on the sub box than Aragon doing a disaster fakie 5 inspin topacid. I don't remember any Julien Cudot tricks besides spin tricks on a sub box or disaster box. So like I said its exciting to see these guys hucking themselves but it doesn't mean they should place ahead of the pros who are actually skating better.

Who judges Bittercold? They always seem to get it right.. the WRS could be a lot better if the Bittercold judges judged every comp.

have you actually seen cj skate?



Yes. I watched the Hoedown edit at least 20 times.. super dope edit. CJ did a 450 royale stall and the crowd went wild.. as I referred to in my post. Now why are you asking me this?

Are you serious? I see CJ grinding on his 360 royale at the sub box at 3:18 http://vimeo.com/7076586 and I see aragon doing a fakie 540 top acid "stall" at 5:06 .
Don't get me wrong I know he can do this trick for years and I love Aragon skating... but all this hate on CJ won't take us anywhere, and for the people that said "he only win" with royales and farvs(not on this topic) or whatever h-block tricks, open your eyes what about the disaster 360 darkside top soul? and the disaster 540(spinning switch) true darkside soyale 360 out? He does a lot of soul tricks guys and good one's!
One edit only, don't make justice at all.

[DanRine]

and then there's this gem from the Hoedown edit thread:


Haffeys tricks totally shat on everyone but if the judges were looking for consistency and number of tricks I can see how CJ won.. dude killed it.


:lol:

someone knows how to stick to their guns... :lol:

I said that after the first time I watched the edit.. partly because I was excited to see a new guy skating hard, but mostly just so I didn't start shit with the militant CJ Wellsmore defenders. I have watched the edit about 20 times since then to the point where I can basically remember every trick those three did off the top of my head. I reviewed the play and reversed my call.. big deal.

[jakeordie]

http://forums.wakeboarder.com/files/digging_a_hole.jpg


No, no, dig UP stupid!

[basshole]

http://forums.wakeboarder.com/files/digging_a_hole.jpg


No, no, dig UP stupid!

:lol:

[Tatersalad]

and then there's this gem from the Hoedown edit thread:


Haffeys tricks totally shat on everyone but if the judges were looking for consistency and number of tricks I can see how CJ won.. dude killed it.


:lol:

someone knows how to stick to their guns... :lol:

I said that after the first time I watched the edit.. partly because I was excited to see a new guy skating hard, but mostly just so I didn't start shit with the militant CJ Wellsmore defenders. I have watched the edit about 20 times since then to the point where I can basically remember every trick those three did off the top of my head. I reviewed the play and reversed my call.. big deal.

Your entire argument is based on facts that are untrue. I can disprove your two major points with just two quotes.




And there IS a flaw in that judging system and it should be completely obvious. Haffey and Aragon are gonna be humble and clearly not gonna vote for themselves.. instead they will vote for the dude who skated his ass off trying to keep up with them. Other people in the finals will also be excited that CJ came out and skated so hard so they'll give him the win like its basically a way of giving him props.

Too bad you have this completely wrong and have no clue of what you're talking about. At no point are skaters at the Hoedown put in a position where they could vote for themselves. During the 3 preliminary heats, the skaters in heat C vote on heat A, the ones on heat A vote on B and so on. In the super session, all of the skaters who didn't make it past the prelims vote on who will be the top 5 going into the finals. And in the finals, all of the skaters who got eliminated previously vote on the final ranking.



If you have a problem with the winners, take it to the 20+ judges. Also, don't forget that the winners are decided in the final round, not the whole comp. A lot of the tricks you see Aragon and Haffey do in the edit were landed in the prelims and supersession. Aragon got hurt early in the finals (cut his hand) and didn't start skating again until almost the end. Haffey skated only the new extension, pretty much (and it took him several tries to get the tricks you saw in the edit). CJ, on the other hand, was landing huge tricks ledft and right throughout the whole duration of the finals.

So, again, I'll reiterate my earlier point:



or maybe you just don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

[jonathan]

^

each comp has a different amount of judges. I know the BB only has 5+ judges.

[DK2 rolla]

I'm pretty sure DanRine is Haffey's username.

[*Maxx_]

Actually I think the WRS is an awesome concept and has the potential to get better every year like Bittercold does. But they really need to be a standard panel of judges that know what the fuck is up.

Winterclash, Hoedown, and some others were basically judging flukes that rank amature rollerbladers with the likes of Haffey and Franky.

Rollerblading is unpredictable, but just because theres a new face skating hard at a comp and its exciting to see doesnt mean they deserve to win.

1 Brian Aragon
2 Chris Haffey
2 Julien Cudot
4 Roman Abrate
5 Montre Livingston
5 David Sizemore
7 Brian Shima
8 Mathias Silhan
9 Stephen Swain
9 Alex Broskow
9 CJ Wellsmore
12 Erik Bailey
13 Sven Boekhorst
13 Romain godenaire
15 Franky Morales
15 Nick Lomax
15 Franco Camayo

Julien Cudot tied with Haffey. Franky barely makes the top 15 while Roman Abrate and Stephen Swain are in the top 10.. what a joke.
Don't be a dick only because they're not americans....

[houston2]

Maybe they should get one of those crowd noise monitors like they do on that Nick Cannon show and whoever gets the most decibels wins...

[Apsley Cherry-Garrard]

Julien Cudot tied with Haffey. Franky barely makes the top 15 while Roman Abrate and Stephen Swain are in the top 10.. what a joke.

LOL. roman abrate will murk the shit out of franky at a comp any day. sorry, but that's the truth.

[dean]

Julien Cudot tied with Haffey. Franky barely makes the top 15 while Roman Abrate and Stephen Swain are in the top 10.. what a joke.

LOL. roman abrate will murk the shit out of franky at a comp any day. sorry, but that's the truth.

you really can't be serious

[Vince Zywczak]

Julien Cudot tied with Haffey. Franky barely makes the top 15 while Roman Abrate and Stephen Swain are in the top 10.. what a joke.

LOL. roman abrate will murk the shit out of franky at a comp any day. sorry, but that's the truth.

you really can't be serious

yeah I wouldnt go that far haha, but romans my nigga and hes really really really really fucking good.

[Apsley Cherry-Garrard]

okay maybe he wouldn't murk him, but franky being #15 and roman being in the top 10 makes perfect sense to me.

[dean]

dude tried 540 soyale for about an hour on a sub box, don't see how that would murk franky

[skating101]

sure CJ doesnt does alot of royale tricks but he is also one of the most consistent smooth park skaters in the world and apparently that was enough in the eyes of the other skaters in the competition who were judging him and we arent part of some Wellsmore fanclub you just have to watch the boy shred a park

[Freddy White]

Julien Cudot tied with Haffey. Franky barely makes the top 15 while Roman Abrate and Stephen Swain are in the top 10.. what a joke.

LOL. roman abrate will murk the shit out of franky at a comp any day. sorry, but that's the truth.

you really can't be serious

[gygy322]

dude tried 540 soyale for about an hour on a sub box, don't see how that would murk franky

i don't know man i saw Roman skating at winterclash, he is really good in park skating

[fergus_oi_oi]

seems like people crying over spilt milk. new blood gotta come in some day. it's up to your favourite pro whether they want to make an effort or just live off their fame and past achievements

[gygy322]

seems like people crying over spilt milk. new blood gotta come in some day. it's up to your favourite pro whether they want to make an effort or just live off their fame and past achievements

no no no Broskow should always win with switch mizous and makios, no matter what...haha

[fergus_oi_oi]

i mean i think it's cool thats style is being taken more into account which that cj does have alot of and so does broskow.

[Freddy White]

dude tried 540 soyale for about an hour on a sub box, don't see how that would murk franky

i don't know man i saw Roman skating at winterclash, he is really good in park skating

Kid has the same 3 tricks on lock, that for sure.

Which basically all involve a 540, and a royale, soyale, or savannah...

But yeah, Roman is good, in my mind he is just nowhere near his teammate Mathias Silhan for instance, hopefully you'll get to see more of him in the future.

[gygy322]

dude tried 540 soyale for about an hour on a sub box, don't see how that would murk franky

i don't know man i saw Roman skating at winterclash, he is really good in park skating

Kid has the same 3 tricks on lock, that for sure.

Which basically all involve a 540, and a royale, soyale, or savannah...

But yeah, Roman is good, in my mind he is just nowhere near his teammate Mathias Silhan for instance, hopefully you'll get to see more of him in the future.


yes + Mathias is killing street skating too, Roman is really good but Mathias has both - good street skating and good park skating, and amazing style

http://www.team-disaster.com/photos/2006.08.25-dbtsc/ivo/sm_P8207681.jpg

tru spin acid first try - one of the shitiest ledges ever - no run up and terrible ledge condition....


PS:from what i saw in this edit, it looks like Broskow hasn't done anything so special...

[Freddy White]

But yeah, Roman is good, in my mind he is just nowhere near his teammate Mathias Silhan for instance, hopefully you'll get to see more of him in the future.

yes + Mathias is killing street skating too, Roman is really good but Mathias has both - good street skating and good park skating, and amazing style

That's right. Not that his style was too good back then, but it sure has improved a lot with time.

His flow, consistency, technicality, and overall clean skating got him a well deserved win at the FISE. One of the best run I've ever seen put together.

Now I can only hope he'll be at more WRS events, and that more of these events will adopt a run format, and not just a best trick / jam format.

[gygy322]

But yeah, Roman is good, in my mind he is just nowhere near his teammate Mathias Silhan for instance, hopefully you'll get to see more of him in the future.

yes + Mathias is killing street skating too, Roman is really good but Mathias has both - good street skating and good park skating, and amazing style

That's right. Not that his style was too good back then, but it sure has improved a lot with time.

His flow, consistency, technicality, and overall clean skating got him a well deserved win at the FISE. One of the best run I've ever seen put together.

Now I can only hope he'll be at more WRS events, and that more of these events will adopt a run format, and not just a best trick / jam format.
yes :) i don't like the jam format either i always enjoy watching runs
to me it looks like nobody notices Mathias style and skating and this is strange...and too bad he doesn't have any full profiles :(


http://vimeo.com/7409793


cheers

[estiloskater]

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9287/bildschirmfoto20091103ud.png (http://img62.imageshack.us/i/bildschirmfoto20091103ud.png/)

WHO WANTS SOME? :twisted:

[Freddy White]

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9287/bildschirmfoto20091103ud.png (http://img62.imageshack.us/i/bildschirmfoto20091103ud.png/)

WHO WANTS SOME? :twisted:

That trick was nuts.

Now somebody will probably complain that it wasn't a soul grind though...

[gygy322]

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9287/bildschirmfoto20091103ud.png (http://img62.imageshack.us/i/bildschirmfoto20091103ud.png/)

WHO WANTS SOME? :twisted:

That trick was nuts.

Now somebody will probably complain that it wasn't a soul grind though...
yeah :D

but broskow's switch mizou is fire bro dude man

[ChrisAngelius]

Julien Cudot tied with Haffey. Franky barely makes the top 15 while Roman Abrate and Stephen Swain are in the top 10.. what a joke.

LOL. roman abrate will murk the shit out of franky at a comp any day. sorry, but that's the truth.

That's quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read.