View Full Version : First attempt flat 60mms and balance cores(skate nerd post)
Read only if you're interested in trying 60's flat on balance cores:
So now that i'm back in the demi-desert and the weather is nice. I can start experimenting with the 60mm Face wheels with the "speed cores". However I wasn't ready for the epic frame rubbing battle that just happened.
I ordered some new one piece remz souls, backslides and some new grey fifty-50 balance cores for mah bladez. Also some Ilq-9 bearings (which are for marathon skating but I find they treat me very nicely for my style of skating). Popped a fresh 8 of the Face Tom Hyser wheels on the frames... Just by rolling the wheels with my hand the middle wheels weren't budging but the outside ones were rolling a bit with a slight catch. Keep in mind I didn't make any wheel wells on the the one piece. I figured some intense striding/carving in an empty parking lot would make things right.
After a fresh spray paint job and some dry time. I rocked some intense striding/carving/sprinting in a massive empty parking lot by my house. The 1st and 4th wheels were fine after a bit. But the 2nd was slightly rubbing and the 3rd wheel was barely budging. Both wheels in the third position were fucked(one had a flat spot and the other had a long indent from the bolt).
Long story short I had to do some rec skating Tri rocker and then swap some wheels around. It was a bitch... But holy shit this setup has deadly fuckin' speed and is still somewhat lower to the ground.
If you decide to try this setup. Grind some of the UFS bolts down and make some tiny wheel wells. I swore a lot trying to get this shit to work. But it was worth it.
Grasshoppa
08.04.2009, 23:22
i want to try flat i love skating fast but i imagine i would end up going wayyyyyyyy to fast at everything.
Good looks...I can't wait to see clips of em in action :D . I set up some old gc frames with the face wheels flat myself...it was pretty much the most control I've ever had on a pair of skates. Borderline religious experience :lol:
justinthursday
08.04.2009, 23:28
pics bro!
Flat is really fun. It's not for everyone... But it's worth a try if you are intrigued. Just be willing to re-learn (or lose) a bunch of grinds and give it at least a few sessions to get used to it. For me I love being able to carve with it. It's less about the speed and more about the control and feel of turns and such. Some people go faster with anti-rocker... It's all in the stride and the pump(gotta make sure you treat yourself to good bearings and wheels too).
There is only so much time on the earth you have to go skating. Gotta have good wheels and bearings in ha ha... Noisy bearings are a huge pet peeve of mine.
But yes. You should try flat in some balance cores. You might love it. I love it because I do all basic grinds and I love doing turny things.
Grasshoppa
08.04.2009, 23:36
yeah ive been strictlyskating mooks pretty much since they came out. i think the transition would just be wayyy to hard.
Mooks were really fun when I tried them. I still have a pair... just in case I want to rock some full speed frontsides and backsides on unwaxed ledges.
I am unable to post pics of the rad new setup because I don't have anything to take pics with. I should get something just for future skate nerd posts.
pics please its bladenerdtastic
The setup looks awesome. That's all I can say for now until I can post a pic. They look like stealth fighters. With army wheels and hiking boot laces.
i want to try flat i love skating fast but i imagine i would end up going wayyyyyyyy to fast at everything.
whatever mr.hurricane
Freddy White
09.04.2009, 01:37
Big wheels FTW ! I'm currently riding a 80 mm flat set up ah ah !!!
But I'm not into Fifty/50 frames, even though there's a whole crew around me.
I'd rather put some 56mm on my Fiziks, I'm pretty sure the suspension makes up for it !
Cores are NOT the frames to do this on. Cores come with a very deep stock groove. Though it is split quite wide, it would still catch with wheels that large. Try using a balance frame. The split is still quite wide and the groove is tiny like it should be when you're riding flat to prevent wheel bite.
On a side note, if you're riding anti or freestyle I still believe the cores are the best frame out there. I've been riding my pair for ages and they still slide consistently and hardly wear at all.
I was riding the balance cores with 57's flat before and the groove was deep but manageable. I only died from wheelbite later on after I skated a bunch of street with them. The frames feel so good and solid with the aluminum that I'll take the deeper groove over other frame brands.
Also, I haven't been able to find any older balance frames to try out. You're right though... The older smaller groove was way better for flat and the new groove is the perfect anti/freestyle groove. I just got some pre-balance UFS fifty-50's and i'm going to experiment with those later. Much smaller split but really nice groove for flat.
I'm suprised that more people don't ride fifty-50 frames. Everyone used to rock them. Now since GC has a large percentage of big names under their brand... Fifty-50 doesn't as much love. I'm just glad they're still around. Their plastic is amazing for grinds and the core system is super fast and responsive.
Freddy you should try some fifty-50's. A bit heavier at first(like fiziks). But super solid and really good material for grinding.
I have a fresh set of Fiziks shells waiting to have parts swapped in but I can't remember how to do it.
mike99mccarthy
09.04.2009, 11:46
ive been riding flat on face 60's in my rollerblade switch frames for a couple months. its the best flat frame ever basically. there is a super wide split. if you can get a pair of those frames(i had to buy the skates to get them) they are the hotness
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h19/mike99mccarthy/SANY0049.jpg
Freddy White
09.04.2009, 11:49
Freddy you should try some fifty-50's. A bit heavier at first(like fiziks). But super solid and really good material for grinding.
I have a fresh set of Fiziks shells waiting to have parts swapped in but I can't remember how to do it.
I have a fairly decent amount of Fiziks frames still.
But I'll consider your proposition, once I am out of stock ah ah !
Alex Coe
09.04.2009, 11:52
I have a fresh set of Fiziks shells waiting to have parts swapped in but I can't remember how to do it.
You screw the rockers in with the pivot pins first, then you clamp them down with a wood block and put in the other pins. That was vague but maybe you get it.
I liked the 50/50 core frames flat, but I didn't love them. And I really don't see much of a difference skating flat rather than two wheels, at least not with smaller wheels. If you do a stand up frontside on a ledge you're going to catch those big 'ol 60's in your first and fourth position as well. The key is getting low, no matter what you're skating.
mike99mccarthy
09.04.2009, 11:54
I have a fresh set of Fiziks shells waiting to have parts swapped in but I can't remember how to do it.
You screw the rockers in with the pivot pins first, then you clamp them down with a wood block and put in the other pins. That was vague but maybe you get it.
I liked the 50/50 core frames flat, but I didn't love them. And I really don't see much of a difference skating flat rather than two wheels, at least not with smaller wheels. If you do a stand up frontside on a ledge you're going to catch those big 'ol 60's in your first and fourth position as well. The key is getting low, no matter what you're skating.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI8UKb72pRA
the instructional video
Holy shit! Thanks for the link! I'm gonna rock those fiziks as my next frames now!
If I could get some of those switch frames for cheap I would like to try them out. Looks like an awkward groove though. The frame might be a bit tall as well... But if I see some for cheap I'll give them a whirl. The older RB frames look decent as well(someone had posted about them in the face wheels post RIP).
Yeah with the balance cores flat you have to get lower and be more precise with grinds. But I like to do really basic grinds so it's a good setup for me. I find that it's the maneuverability and feeling of flat that I really like. The combo of a rec skate/ice skate feel with some grinding capabilities. I like lot's of roll in my blade.
Again it needs to be said that although having flat 60's is fast. There are anti/freestyle skaters that can stride and pump even faster for park/street. So it's really up to what you personally feel will help you have more fun skating.
KingDirty
09.04.2009, 12:22
Holy shit! Thanks for the link! I'm gonna rock those fiziks as my next frames now!
If I could get some of those switch frames for cheap I would like to try them out. Looks like an awkward groove though. The frame might be a bit tall as well... But if I see some for cheap I'll give them a whirl. The older RB frames look decent as well(someone had posted about them in the face wheels post RIP).
Yeah with the balance cores flat you have to get lower and be more precise with grinds. But I like to do really basic grinds so it's a good setup for me. I find that it's the maneuverability and feeling of flat that I really like. The combo of a rec skate/ice skate feel with some grinding capabilities. I like lot's of roll in my blade.
Again it needs to be said that although having flat 60's is fast. There are anti/freestyle skaters that can stride and pump even faster for park/street. So it's really up to what you personally feel will help you have more fun skating.
I am the Stan to your Marshall Mathers. Can my friend Jamie and I come shred with you guys sometime?
King Dirty you should come to Popularity Contest one year to shred. The full Canada experience is usually during that weekend.
Or if you prefer the more relaxing version:
Come to Kamloops anytime in the summer we have the best damn skatepark in the world. Interior BC has so many sketchy parks that are so fun to skate... We've got amazing desert heat and the most relaxing scenery.
Pop Contest would be a good bet for a fun weekend.
UnknownPleasures
09.04.2009, 12:33
If you love ice skates, you're gonna love carbons.
mike99mccarthy
09.04.2009, 12:34
Holy shit! Thanks for the link! I'm gonna rock those fiziks as my next frames now!
If I could get some of those switch frames for cheap I would like to try them out. Looks like an awkward groove though. The frame might be a bit tall as well... But if I see some for cheap I'll give them a whirl. The older RB frames look decent as well(someone had posted about them in the face wheels post RIP).
Yeah with the balance cores flat you have to get lower and be more precise with grinds. But I like to do really basic grinds so it's a good setup for me. I find that it's the maneuverability and feeling of flat that I really like. The combo of a rec skate/ice skate feel with some grinding capabilities. I like lot's of roll in my blade.
Again it needs to be said that although having flat 60's is fast. There are anti/freestyle skaters that can stride and pump even faster for park/street. So it's really up to what you personally feel will help you have more fun skating.
no sweat... the power slide tom does at the end is sick. I can't even tell the switch frame is any different than anything else while skating as far as the tallness. plus they are really sick because I think you can roll flat on 72's and still grind good. or you can do hi-lo setup 72x56x56x72
chimbaktu
09.04.2009, 12:34
i need to find some bearings because i have some fresh 58mm street artists waiting to be rolled. I'm going to try 'em out on some kizer elements and see how it goes.
i skated m12s with a flat setup for a year, but i've been skating xsjados and remz with freestyle and anti rocker (respectively) for the past 2 years. switching back to flat should be interesting.
I'm waiting for someone to drop the 450 Canadian on some Carbons so I can try them. I'm loving my Remz right now though. Plus by the time I need a new pair the 0803's hopefully come down in price. But I am very intrigued by the Carbons. Not sure how well my ankles will enjoy the stiffness and the buckle. I love ice skates... But I love remz even more.
I think the 72x56x56x72 on Remz would feel a bit too high off the ground for me. Also in Remz I would have to make some pretty big wheel wells. Frankie at last years barn burner was rocking 72's with wheel wells. Looked interesting but I like being a bit closer to the ground. I'm all for experimenting though. Maybe when I have an extra set of boots to try it on. I'm really bad at frankenstein-ing skates.
I had M12's flat for a while. It was a good solid setup but really made me work for my grinds in odd ways. Although when I went back to Xsjados and remz I realized how every time I strapped on the M12's it was like riding in a time machine... They actually made skating more difficult.
KingDirty
09.04.2009, 12:50
King Dirty you should come to Popularity Contest one year to shred. The full Canada experience is usually during that weekend.
Or if you prefer the more relaxing version:
Come to Kamloops anytime in the summer we have the best damn skatepark in the world. Interior BC has so many sketchy parks that are so fun to skate... We've got amazing desert heat and the most relaxing scenery.
Pop Contest would be a good bet for a fun weekend.
:twisted:
I think if I come up there it will be to poach footy of you guys and get the entire experience. Maybe Pop Comp and stay the following week. When does that shit happen?
No date for Pop comp set yet. There will be some kind of announcement soon i'm sure. There was talk of it being in Vancouver but i'm 98% sure it will be in Kamloops.
At pop contest you should be able to poach all sorts of exciting footage. I even heard Richie Eisler may be coming back to Canada from Australia just for Pop Comp...RICHIE EISLER! Are you reading this Richie? You better not be joking!
t0m fIsChEr
09.04.2009, 13:16
ive been riding flat on face 60's in my rollerblade switch frames for a couple months. its the best flat frame ever basically. there is a super wide split. if you can get a pair of those frames(i had to buy the skates to get them) they are the hotness
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h19/mike99mccarthy/SANY0049.jpg
How heavy are those!? switch frames are tanks.
mike99mccarthy
09.04.2009, 13:21
ive been riding flat on face 60's in my rollerblade switch frames for a couple months. its the best flat frame ever basically. there is a super wide split. if you can get a pair of those frames(i had to buy the skates to get them) they are the hotness
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h19/mike99mccarthy/SANY0049.jpg
How heavy are those!? switch frames are tanks.
about the same weight as ables. they are really good frames. I hope the start selling them by themselves
al dolega
09.04.2009, 14:58
The natural-rocker (72 outside, 56 inside) on the Switch frames is the same height as riding 72's antirocker. The 72's only stick out of the top of the frame 2mm so only small wheelwells are needed for them to clear. This is the main problem with the design, IMO... the wheelwell concept is barely applied at all. TRS's and even the Solos could have 5mm+ deep wheelwells with no problem, which would go a long way towards counteracting the 72's height.
al dolega
09.04.2009, 15:00
Also, this is exactly the kind of thread that I was talking about when I proposed that we create a dedicated Hardware Review/Discussion forum.
justinthursday
09.04.2009, 15:07
i just set up some face wheels in my 5050s for the hell of it.
probably worn down to about 58
fit in size smalls no problem
gonna go try it out on a curved ledge
mike99mccarthy
09.04.2009, 15:09
The natural-rocker (72 outside, 56 inside) on the Switch frames is the same height as riding 72's antirocker. The 72's only stick out of the top of the frame 2mm so only small wheelwells are needed for them to clear. This is the main problem with the design, IMO... the wheelwell concept is barely applied at all. TRS's and even the Solos could have 5mm+ deep wheelwells with no problem, which would go a long way towards counteracting the 72's height. lol i'll put some bigger wheelwells in them and try to ride my new hyper hyoctane 90's on them.............................................. .........j/k 100mm powerslide R2's FTW
it would be VERY nice to have a hardware thread, especially a database of how much clearance each specific frame has, because i do not see this information of skate shop websites
this could eventually branch out to a thread per skate that lists every single specification about the stock skate, full of reviews and opinions as well
admins take it into consideration!
Yes for hardware thread! Yes for Al and Rotgut as mods for this forum!
Update:
Had about an hour on the setup today at the skatepark. With the extra plastic on the one piece and the height of the 60mms my skates felt REALLY weird. I think I much prefer the "4 piece" remz system... But I better get used to the one piece because that's all that's going to be available soon. Maybe i'm being too critical but I really don't like the way the one piece feels. Something about the core frames with the NIGHT souls just felt way better... I'm glad I have an extra set now.
So... Because I had to swap wheels out(from rubbing problems) I was skating "Anti Flat" most of the day. The outside wheels are still much bigger and although the middle ones touch... My skates have that anti-rocker "sticky" feeling where your foot is trying to do something but your wheels don't want to do it. So I need to have a longer session in them and once they start the get that hockey rockered feel then I'll be at home. Right now it feels like I'm making skating feel extra challenging for myself.
Royales, back royales, souls and topsouls(what I usually do) all felt really good. Although you have to lean in that extra bit on backside tricks because the 60's do have some death grip from the massive balance core groove. But the newer backslide plate and soul made a nice area for locking/sliding. There is some wheebite though. Anyone who hasn't tried flat would hate their life with this setup. You will die on backsides if your not careful.
The wheels are really fast with the "speed cores" and their thinner profile. I can see why vert riders religiously use this type of wheel. They feel a bit too high off the ground for my liking (it could just be that the outside wheels have to wear even with the inside wheels). I really don't want to try those RB frames now because tall frame/wheels = less control in my books.
Although I think 57's flat is a better setup for me. I think it's worth riding these wheels for their speed and profile. Once they wear in a bit more I think i'll be loving my life. It makes me think about how there should be more experimenting with wheel wells and proper frames for skating flat. How rad would it be to be riding 60's flat with no wheel bit and wheel wells to make them feel more like 57's or even 55's! I can only dream. But yeah 72mm wheels aren't the answer.
I need to start hoarding some older style remz souls because that extra plastic is making my skates feel odd.
Also, the Balance frames little frame bubble things don't really work. I find the frames ride better when those things wear off. It would be rad if the hardware only need one alan key too.
What size remz do you skate? I might have some 3-pieces lying around.
I skate a size 9. You got black stuff in that size?
Ack, just gray actually. You could dye it I guess.
al dolega
11.04.2009, 17:34
Hopefully the boot companies see the advantage of wheelwelling (real wheelwelling, that is, not the pittance of a wheelwell the RB's have) and it starts getting incorporated into new boots and updates of old ones... sourcing wheels and just the logistics of marketing a more complicated wheel size/frame size/boot size interface are going to be big discouragements, though.
But how sick would it be if the "normal" size of aggressive wheels, in an anti/freestyle setup at least, grew about 8mm? So a "small" wheel would be a 60, and a "large" one 67-68mm? I think that would help the sport diversify and progress its current tricks.
jakeordie
11.04.2009, 17:51
Hopefully the boot companies see the advantage of wheelwelling (real wheelwelling, that is, not the pittance of a wheelwell the RB's have) and it starts getting incorporated into new boots and updates of old ones... sourcing wheels and just the logistics of marketing a more complicated wheel size/frame size/boot size interface are going to be big discouragements, though.
I still can't see the advantage of wheel-welling 5mm when a better idea is not having 5mm of superfluous thickness across the entire sole of the boot. What do you think of Razors' SL concept?
But how sick would it be if the "normal" size of aggressive wheels, in an anti/freestyle setup at least, grew about 8mm? So a "small" wheel would be a 60, and a "large" one 67-68mm? I think that would help the sport diversify and progress its current tricks.
Agreed, but I think 60s with 4mm suspension travel is a better deal than 68s.
justinthursday
11.04.2009, 22:00
Hopefully the boot companies see the advantage of wheelwelling (real wheelwelling, that is, not the pittance of a wheelwell the RB's have) and it starts getting incorporated into new boots and updates of old ones... sourcing wheels and just the logistics of marketing a more complicated wheel size/frame size/boot size interface are going to be big discouragements, though.
I still can't see the advantage of wheel-welling 5mm when a better idea is not having 5mm of superfluous thickness across the entire sole of the boot. What do you think of Razors' SL concept?
But how sick would it be if the "normal" size of aggressive wheels, in an anti/freestyle setup at least, grew about 8mm? So a "small" wheel would be a 60, and a "large" one 67-68mm? I think that would help the sport diversify and progress its current tricks.
Agreed, but I think 60s with 4mm suspension travel is a better deal than 68s.
It's a little weird trying to skate anything after Icons cause of how low they are
its really nice
but you could still wheel well them and put tall frames with bigger wheels
say more about the 4mms of suspension..
do you have a concept?
cause kizers suck and fiziks can only hold 56mm
al dolega
11.04.2009, 23:53
I still can't see the advantage of wheel-welling 5mm when a better idea is not having 5mm of superfluous thickness across the entire sole of the boot. What do you think of Razors' SL concept?
Well, assuming that a skate is always going to have heel rise and some toe ramp, you're always going to be able to get at least 5mm out of the boot for the front and back wheels. For flat, yea, you're not going to get 5mm for the middle wheels (or maybe just barely 5mm, the SL plate is still about that thick). I was speaking more in relation to anti/freestyle, as that's the vastly dominant setup in skating.
As for super low-pro mounting areas/boot bases, yes, it's a great idea to strive for, and I think the SL is an awesome design. BUT, with wheelwelling, you don't necessarily have to go with an ultra-thin mounting area to keep your COG low... which allows you more freedom in the rest of the design and lets you keep an optimal amount of rigidity and strength in the frame mount- as great as the SL design is, plenty of people have cracked the baseplates.
Agreed, but I think 60s with 4mm suspension travel is a better deal than 68s.
That's cool. I'm not as big a fan of suspension as you are but we knew that. Wheelwells wouldn't impede a suspension design, and even if the wheel-size paradigm shifted as I said, 60's would still be available for your design, so I don't see an issue there either. Hell, we all know that even if my dream came true and the paradigm changed, there'd still be skates with "normal" wheel setups and there'd be skaters and companies still touting it as better, so I don't think 56's or 54's or whatever would be hard to find either.
jakeordie
12.04.2009, 01:40
Well, assuming that a skate is always going to have heel rise and some toe ramp, you're always going to be able to get at least 5mm out of the boot for the front and back wheels. For flat, yea, you're not going to get 5mm for the middle wheels (or maybe just barely 5mm, the SL plate is still about that thick). I was speaking more in relation to anti/freestyle, as that's the vastly dominant setup in skating.
Ok now I see what you're getting at. Since I started designing frames for UFS, I considered the boot/frame interface a line that shouldn't be crossed. I can see the advantage in what you're suggesting now, bigger wheels & stronger mounts means crossing the line both ways.
But I must say, isn't this a UFS problem? Compensating for bad design with more bad design is not the answer. Personally I don't like the idea that all size frames need to fit on all size boots. And given this, where do we put the wheel wells when we don't know what size frame a skater is gonna choose?
I'm a huge fan of Salomon's flat boot design, there is literally 3mm of boot between the frame & the liner. In the past I've dremeled boot soles down to the liner, but found it counterproductive when the liner pushes through the hole. :lol: :lol: :lol:
al dolega
12.04.2009, 02:49
I see the frame/boot interface (the frame channel) as more of a reference point than anything else- somewhere to base other measurements from.. the axle height of the frame, etc. It can be moved up or down without affecting the COG, as long as you move the other dimensions to accomodate it.
I can't tell which problem you're blaming on UFS... wheelwells? Not being able to ride a 60 flat in the Balance CS's? Anyways, we've been over the UFS suxx/UFS rulz argument before, no need to re-hash.
As for frame sizing and wheelwells... yea, there's going to be a minimum wheelbase for each boot size for the wheelwells to be used. There's no way around that, really, if you're maximizing the depth of the 'wells. You can run them off the ends of the boot, though, and that keeps you from having a maximum wheelbase for using them.
HELL NO WE WON'T GO!
WHAT DO WE WANT?
WHEEL WELLS!
WHEN DO DO WE WANT THEM?
NOW!
Freddy White
12.04.2009, 08:25
Had about an hour on the setup today at the skatepark. With the extra plastic on the one piece and the height of the 60mms my skates felt REALLY weird. I think I much prefer the "4 piece" remz system... But I better get used to the one piece because that's all that's going to be available soon. Maybe i'm being too critical but I really don't like the way the one piece feels. Something about the core frames with the NIGHT souls just felt way better... I'm glad I have an extra set now.
I hope my SDSF mates read this, I'm glad I now have an ally in my crusade against the one piece soul frames. And I'm especially glad you used the term "4 piece soul system" ah ah ! But yeah, i totally feel you on that, I have my own little stock, I hope it will last for a while, since Matty is now giving away the last remaining sets !
Secret info is, Revolution has a pretty large stock of these still, maybe you should hit up Gretchen or James if you're in need ?
Update:
- The middle wheels are touching now and the setup is starting to feel really nice. However the outside still needs to wear a bit more (so I get that hockey rocker feeling that I love). I gotta say this setup is FAST and SMOOTH... I remember why I loved my stock King 55's so much now. Fewer strides and more cruisin' is a good time. My skates feel like rec skates that can grind!
I died on a front royale where I was being lazy with my front foot. But it's pretty easy to get used to if you've skated 57's flat before. The groove in the balance frames leave no room for error with the 60's. Gotta bend those knees and keep the position locked or else you fly and die. I wonder how difficult it would be for fifty-50 to make new walls that didn't make grinding such a precise act? This setup does punish you for lazy grinding habits...ha ha.
Can't wait to ride a flat 60's setup one day where I can have anti-rocker confidence with grinds. It would be so fun to haul ass towards a corner of a bowl and just do a lazy ass drop back side from the flat deck. You know?
I can see how this setup of flat 60's will become addictive because it makes the speed and amplitude side of skating that much more fun... It's the best park setup I've had(although fiziks with face 57's is a close second).
The one piece still feels a bit weird but I gotta say it makes locking super easy and solid. I can see how after Haffey started using the one piece he really took his soul grinds to new heights. The 720 soul, massive 360 souls and that amazing gap soul to drop soul at SDSF would have been a lot more dangerous with the older style souls. Both have advantages... But I can see how the "4 piece" will be extinct. 99%
justinthursday
13.04.2009, 01:17
i think it was just the first line of SL souls that cracked..
ive never had a problem with mine. and im pretty sure they aren't thicker than 3mms.
i cut out the bottom of some old salomons to put these on properly.
the feeling is soo nice.
i might jack the frame up with a riser so my groove isnt so low
i wanna bend over more on groove tricks
as for the 5050s
im sure they could make a block that was a little taller (covers the wheels more, not makes the ride any taller) had a smaller shallower groove and a wider split.
in fact im pretty sure thats what jake is basing his design on.
Jake, post those CAD specs so we can see your 60mm 56mm master piece again!
I hope my SDSF mates read this, I'm glad I now have an ally in my crusade against the one piece soul frames. And I'm especially glad you used the term "4 piece soul system" ah ah ! But yeah, i totally feel you on that, I have my own little stock, I hope it will last for a while, since Matty is now giving away the last remaining sets !
The one piece still feels a bit weird but I gotta say it makes locking super easy and solid. I can see how after Haffey started using the one piece he really took his soul grinds to new heights. The 720 soul, massive 360 souls and that amazing gap soul to drop soul at SDSF would have been a lot more dangerous with the older style souls. Both have advantages... But I can see how the "4 piece" will be extinct. 99%
:lol: jajajajajaja poor freddy!
P.S. I ain't givin away shit!
I was going to end that post with one of those bullshit fake percentages:
I was going to say: 99% of the market want a bigger soul anyway... So there is no reason to keep producing the "4 piece". As long as it has the angled heel i'm happy. I LOVE the angled heel.
I think both have advantages but Freddy you're going to have to get used to the one piece eventually... Because that's all there is going to be!
PS- I have a brand new NIGHT full soul system for this summer. I must say though I'm pretty excited to ride a NIGHT one piece Remz soul. Cess slide heaven. Any plans to do an angled heel on them AL?
PPS- I wish they molded the boot/backslide area a bit different on Remz so the backslide plate really locked into the boot. I find it still feels a bit cheap how you can move it with your hand(only one small screw in the center). Do people put extra screws on the sides? I know razors backslides are super sturdy now. It's something they have adjusted over the years.
Alex Coe
13.04.2009, 21:32
Joey, you should ride the RB switch frames and see how fast they are.
Freddy White
14.04.2009, 04:52
I think both have advantages but Freddy you're going to have to get used to the one piece eventually... Because that's all there is going to be!
Hopefully I'll be dead before that happens :
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3086/3146735601_e4152df2d4.jpg
Freddy, I do like the feel of the older souls... But i'm getting addicted to never missing things with the larger plates.
What don't you like about the one piece?
posternutbag
18.04.2009, 12:52
Is Freddy going to implode when his stockpile or vintage parts runs out?
zacharias
18.04.2009, 13:54
Does anyone now if 60mm's flat on First Gen Ables would work?
psychkub
19.04.2009, 13:05
This is how I plan on going through my box of these:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3330/3456426674_66a7e4ab24.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3396/3455604121_4db096a012.jpg
al dolega
19.04.2009, 20:25
Ya need to rocker them shits up and do some wheelwells, son.
justinthursday
19.04.2009, 22:43
Ya need to rocker them shits up and do some wheelwells, son.
beat me to it
This is how I plan on going through my box of these:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3330/3456426674_66a7e4ab24.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3396/3455604121_4db096a012.jpg
Whoa.
I love those GC frames I should try and find some more. Those are the exact fifty-50's I got from skate stop. I'm going to roll 55's in the fifty-50's though because the 60's seem like certain death.
I love how many people are going to be using the face wheels now. A company should make a frame called the "Ebay Face wheels" frame ha ha.
Update on my flat 60's with the balance cores:
Even though all wheels are touching when my feet are in mah bladez... The outside wheels are still slightly higher and is giving me the sticky feeling of anti/flat. I can't wait until the hockey rocker curve starts to wear in. I skated a tiny park in the middle of the desert canyon and made a bunch of kids go :shock: that hadn't seen a rollerblader in their park before. The park was so tight and strangely designed that it was a trick in itself airing over the 3 foot hip and not running into the fence... That's where that sticky feeling made a bit less controlled. I'm LOVING the speed on this setup though. The kids were trying to put together a pair of rec skates they were so juiced. They called my skates "signature street skates". I love being able to take a few strides and just cruise around. I don't really wax stuff up ever so my royale count was 0. Loving just going fast and souling everything though.
psychkub
20.04.2009, 00:18
Ya need to rocker them shits up and do some wheelwells, son.
I have nothing to grind the wheelwells with. I guess I better invest in a dremel tool.
Freddy White
20.04.2009, 06:06
Freddy, I do like the feel of the older souls... But i'm getting addicted to never missing things with the larger plates.
What don't you like about the one piece?
I like how they feel better, basically, so in the end it's just a matter of personnal preference.
BUT, I do think they look a lot better as well, the one piece is just too huge for me, and ruins the whole design of Remz skates on the inside of the feet. And I don't do much negative tricks anyway, so if I were riding some, at least I would cut most of the inside part.
But then again, it's just me, I ride flat Fiziks set-ups, so the flexibilty of the soul, and the tendancy to break frames more easily with the old system doesn't apply much to me. Maybe I'll change my mind if I brake a pair of frames one day, but I really doubt it's going to happen.
One last thing : I don't miss tricks. NEVER :shock:
Is Freddy going to implode when his stockpile or vintage parts runs out?
There's gonna be a huge, white explosion. Sperm everwhere.
Million years from now, scientists will refer to it as the "Gang Bang" theory.
portrait of a gentleman
20.04.2009, 09:29
Is Freddy going to implode when his stockpile or vintage parts runs out?
There's gonna be a huge, white explosion. Sperm everwhere.
Million years from now, scientists will refer to it as the "Gang Bang" theory.
Be-mag "awesome quotes thread", now.
I love those GC frames I should try and find some more.
http://www.skates.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=15%2D2GFRWHT&CartID=0
Mudhut Jollyrancher
20.04.2009, 19:42
OK, so i just setup my fluids flat with face wheels
i'll get pics when my mom gets home(need the camera on her phone)
OK, so i just setup my fluids flat with face wheels
i'll get pics when my mom gets home(need the camera on her phone)
which fluids?
justinthursday
21.04.2009, 12:46
OK, so i just setup my fluids flat with face wheels
i'll get pics when my mom gets home(need the camera on her phone)
which fluids?
black and gold oneils
Mudhut Jollyrancher
21.04.2009, 17:57
EPIK FLAT
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii211/Arik13/epikflat1.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii211/Arik13/epikflat2.jpg
i rolled around and skated my box for a little bit, not that much harder so far.........
justinthursday
21.04.2009, 18:59
can you farve in those beasts???
Dear Freddy White,
You were right... The older style souls do feel better. I should have trusted my gut with my previous experience on the one piece. The more I skated the one piece the more my feet started telling me that something was wrong. I popped my NIGHT souls are on and they feel way better. The older style souls bring the frame so close to the boot that my 60mm fun has ended... The 57's just almost touch the boot now. The setup is like night and day for control and feel. It's that extra layer of plastic between the boot and the frame on the one piece that really gives the skate a different feel. Gotta have that bit of flex there and if you're on a rigid frame shit rides like a dream.
Yes you're right about looks too. The older plates look better. I wish there was more cess slide protection for the backslide plate though.
I'm not sure if I will join your crusade against the one piece because there would only be two of us. But I am going to try and horde some older style souls to make my life less painful in the future.
Special ED
28.04.2009, 20:04
fo sho, i hate the remz 1pc souls.
al, when are the 5050 hitchhikers coming?? you can say "fuck off, never", i really don't care.
denial06
02.05.2009, 22:17
fo sho, i hate the remz 1pc souls.
al, when are the 5050 hitchhikers coming?? you can say "fuck off, never", i really don't care.
"fuck off, never"
Special ED
04.05.2009, 07:58
:P
denial06
05.05.2009, 17:43
just kidding Special ED. i would rather just buy a set of hitchhikers from night. rather than making some any day, i spent 45 minutes making a set for my fiziks 2 yrs. ago. would have paid $20.00 easily so i could have spent that 45 minutes skating.
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/15/l_59789e8c85674103940396587b11c1ca.jpg
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