View Full Version : KRBNZ, Racing Boots, Remz and Remedyz etc...
Keep in mind I have yet to try a pair of Carbons on and i'm still interested in trying them... But:
I have a pair of K2 Radical 90's in size 8.5 that I've used for a few years... When I think of this type of skate being adapted for grinds and such... There is just something that seems like it wouldn't feel right for park/street skating. My ankles start to bleed just thinking about it. Obviously the construction is different between a radical 90 and a carbon. But the general feel of the skates would be similar.
Originally I thought they might skate like the OG remedyz. However, the more I think about how different my OG's feel than my racing skates... The Carbon hype in my brain begins to fade... I think these skates aren't going to hold a candle to the OG remedyz. But they could be fun to try out.
A lot of the excited reactions/hype comes from people saying they are light and compact. Many of these people haven't tried racing boots before so obviously they will be excited by a different feeling boot... In the end a light, compact boot doesn't matter as much as the feeling of the skate(for me at least). The Carbons might just feel weird... But again... I'm interested in trying some to put the rest of the hype out in my brain.
Any thoughts?
UnknownPleasures
14.04.2009, 20:05
I've said they are very weird.
They feel like roller hockey blades with soulplates.
al dolega
14.04.2009, 20:26
BUT JOEY
BEING COMPACT IS WHAT MAKES THEM LOOK SOOOO GOOD WITH PANTZ
PANTZ
Ha ha ha. General gossip tradition sneaks it's way into the Reviews and Hardware board.
It's true though...
PANTZ.
BUT JOEY
BEING COMPACT IS WHAT MAKES THEM LOOK SOOOO GOOD WITH PANTZ
PANTZ
YA THEY LIEK SNEAKERZ
THEY GOOD
al dolega
14.04.2009, 22:30
For cereal though...
The rigidity/energy transfer is the biggest benefit of the Carbon, IMO, but I think what we'll find eventually (hopefully the skate gets to that point) is that the carbon-baseplate design skates better for most people with more padding, to make the skate not only more comfortable but also a little less "twitchy"; and with a more conventional plastic cuff replacing the top bit of the ankle "wings" that the baseplate has now.
Rigidity and energy transfer is great but only to a point, past that it's just harshness, and I think for what we do, there definitely needs to be a more supportive and most importantly more progressive ankle flex. As the skate is now, in the cuff there is rigid carbon, and then flimsy leather... and no transition between the two.
The Remedy was actually a pretty flexible-based skate... the frame mounting wasn't super secure, being all polyurethane (boot material), and the base of the heel wasn't the most rigid thing in the world. What people are remembering about the Remedy when they say the Carbons are just like them is the low cuff, the small pointy overall shape, and the softboot letting the lacing system actually do something... they're definitely not remembering how Remedyz eventually warped in the frame mount and were far, far, far from as rigid in the base as the Carbon.
al dolega
14.04.2009, 22:34
GOT MAH KARBUNZ ON, THEY LOOK LIKE SNEAKERSSSSS
jakeordie
14.04.2009, 22:52
There's more to rollerblading than your skates being really, really, ridiculously good looking.
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al dolega
14.04.2009, 22:58
LIES
...........audi-whatty?
I love my Carbons. I think the rigidity and smallness is what makes them unique. I love knowing that my skates will retain their rigidity and not just give out like the older model Deshis did. I also like the individual shell sizing as well, because now I can actually have skates that fit my feet instead of suffering for 4 months for my skates to stretch and fit right. I feel that Deshi has a good thing going for those who want to try the skates will know that they will last. The only problem about their material choice is that it takes a bit to break in, but what skates don't? I can live with skates that fit at first and wait for them to break in, because I know I'm going to have comfortable ass neoprene molded to my foot and my style of skating after it.
/wall of text.
jakeordie
14.04.2009, 23:26
KRBNZ.....so hot right now.
JakeorDie's posts are so great. Al you are right about a uber rigid base. Especially by describing it as "twitcy". What a great description for the feel of a skate. That's right on the money on why i think they'll skate weird.
I think something that JakeorDie had talked about in the past was controlling the skate through the footbed rather than the cuff area. I think the KHRBNZ cuff design isn't going to allow for the right side to side flex hence the TWITCH factor. But of course you already stated that too.
I like how the remedyz skates are like putting your foot in a Vagina(UFS Remz are looser Vaginas). Flexier plastic wings with more padding and a velcro strap would make the Carbon's pretty rad for my feet(maybe not for all feet). You would think a Carbon based skate would have come out by now for street/park... I wonder if more companies will start experimenting with it? Or TEH KARBUNZ will be a cult skate?
I finally got my OG remedyz back in action with some classic fifty-50 frames, new wheels and bearings(big hole in the backslide and the boot needs some stitching). With a more rigid frame like a fifty-50 core... I think the base/boot can have some flex as long as the frame is designed really well.
Maybe 3 point mounts for frames in the future? No?
justinthursday
15.04.2009, 21:48
JakeorDie's posts are so great. Al you are right about a uber rigid base. Especially by describing it as "twitcy". What a great description for the feel of a skate. That's right on the money on why i think they'll skate weird.
I think something that JakeorDie had talked about in the past was controlling the skate through the footbed rather than the cuff area. I think the KHRBNZ cuff design isn't going to allow for the right side to side flex hence the TWITCH factor. But of course you already stated that too.
Maybe 3 point mounts for frames in the future? No?
I think a lot of people are going to love them for ahwile then either hate them or love them even more when the cuff goes totally flexible rather than stiff as hell like evryone is claiming. maybe they changed that somehow but honestly i hope they didnt.
Because they didnt warp over like old deshis and new remz
they are perfectly centered but with insane amounts of flex.
the pair i skated were at leats 6 months old and so mother fucking flexy.
it was difficult to skate at first and i though "great..." but after 20 mins i was in love with the amount of control i had on them
being able to move the boot into position with my feet(controlling them with the foot bed) rather then being held back by a rigid cuff
after i skated the carbons i couldnt skate my razors SLs anymore
i switched to salomons for the low flexible cuff and have been in love ever since.
as for the 3 point mount
ive been wanting to try that for awhile but havent thought about it long enough to come up with something. lol
Alex Coe
15.04.2009, 22:11
I hate the term "breaking in." What the fuck does that mean? I know it can't mean the same thing to everyone.
DanielBreuer
15.04.2009, 22:24
CARBONS CARBONS CARBONS EVERYWHEREZ.
More pantz.
I hate the term "breaking in." What the fuck does that mean? I know it can't mean the same thing to everyone.
Breaking in to me is usually after about 6-8 sessions when the skates start to feel more and more comfortable with each session. Just mainly after the liner and shell soften up a little bit is what it means to me.
Mudhut Jollyrancher
15.04.2009, 23:17
CARBONS CARBONS CARBONS EVERYWHEREZ.
More pantz.
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Alex Coe
16.04.2009, 08:37
I hate the term "breaking in." What the fuck does that mean? I know it can't mean the same thing to everyone.
Breaking in to me is usually after about 6-8 sessions when the skates start to feel more and more comfortable with each session. Just mainly after the liner and shell soften up a little bit is what it means to me.
Then I am assuming that you think the liner and shell loose their molecular stability after 6-8 sessions? Perhaps a fabric could be stretched after so many hours but I have a very hard time believing that any skate shell on the market would loose it's shape before a year of skating. The exceptions would be shells that are made of glue and fabric, like Remz and old Deshi.
UnknownPleasures
16.04.2009, 11:29
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UnknownPleasures
16.04.2009, 12:01
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jakeordie
16.04.2009, 15:21
The Be-mag center for kids who don't read good and who wanna learn to do other stuff good too. :lol: :lol:
I hate the term "breaking in." What the fuck does that mean? I know it can't mean the same thing to everyone.
Breaking in to me is usually after about 6-8 sessions when the skates start to feel more and more comfortable with each session. Just mainly after the liner and shell soften up a little bit is what it means to me.
Then I am assuming that you think the liner and shell loose their molecular stability after 6-8 sessions? Perhaps a fabric could be stretched after so many hours but I have a very hard time believing that any skate shell on the market would loose it's shape before a year of skating. The exceptions would be shells that are made of glue and fabric, like Remz and old Deshi.
No, not necessarily. They wouldn't lose their molecular stability, but just loosen up a little. I can tell these skates are going to remain stable for a good long while. I meant that the liner would start to mold to your foot and you would get used to the way the skate is and the way you skate in it.
jakeordie
17.04.2009, 12:31
KRBNZ are the essence of lightness.
al dolega
17.04.2009, 13:05
...and lightness is the essence of.....blading.
jakeordie
17.04.2009, 13:28
I just thank the lord your dead mother ain't here to see you prancing around in KRBNZ like a mermaid...
jakeordie
17.04.2009, 16:38
AL, what size Eugooglys should I get to make my KRBNZ amazingly incredibly good looking?
Ha I knew that one was coming... Rad post!
Seriously though: this may be sacrilege to the Remedyz cult(which I think i'm a part of)... But after using both Remedyz and Remz I think "Remz" are much more adapted to what people need for a pair of skates and they're a bit more soft on the feet(although Remedyz didn't have the outward lean feeling).
Remedyz are fantastic skates that still skate like a dream. But cuffless Remz laced up really tight still feel like a pair of Remedyz... Just a tad less responsive, a bit bulkier and no lace up liner. So I just wanted to say for the record:
UFS Remz are just as good as Remedyz for my freedom of feet experience.
I'm still interested in trying some KHRBNZ though when a friend drops the cash...
jakeordie
17.04.2009, 17:32
Remedyz, Remz, Krbnz.....THEY'RE THE SAME SKATE!! DOESN'T ANYONE NOTICE THIS, I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!!!
al dolega
17.04.2009, 17:41
When I win the lottery one of my first projects will be a liner company, to make super legit liners tailored to each of the various boots... remz would be one of the first ones. The shell itself is pretty ok, it just needs a thicker, firmer liner with a lacing system and a deeper v-cut.
jakeordie
17.04.2009, 18:02
and it needs to be AT LEAST.....THREE TIMES BIGGER!
I think the newest liner on the 0803 is the best one since the firmer and (i think) lower liner that came on the first UFS remz (the blue liners).
Maybe they'll release a Remz with a liner that you can't remove. That would be pretty fun for my feet.
Hey JakeorDie, are you still rocking to Salomons with the V-cut and the Remz liner? Or the K2's? I saw that pic of you from the Revolution Thursday night skate...
:shock:
When can we see some footage of those airs in motion? Are you still getting KRBNZ?
zacharias
17.04.2009, 19:19
I agree skating both Remz and Remedyz that Remz are more suitable for everyones needs...but i disagree on the idea that skated cuffless they suit the style of Remedyz...I only say this because the lack of individual shell sizing...When skating cuffless you need your skate to fit as perfectly as possible to your foot. I had an 8 which was too big even strapped super tight, modified inner laces and super tightened outer laces. Decided to go for a size 7 which happened to be too small. :(
I think the inner laces are one of the most important parts of the Remedyz...its boxing glove idea Kato was going for. Another essential part of the Remedyz was the attached liner it made the skate so much more secure feeling compared to Remz. The liner of the Remz would also feel a lot stronger if it had some canvas type material around the toe like the Remedyz. The inner working are more important than the exterior parts of the Remedyz. If the shell of a Remz was slimmer the interior cuff area would be closer to your ankle and work with the movement of the ankle and would make it more supportive than where it is now. A more centered frame mount would keep you from getting the bends and also improve support because you are not constantly putting pressure on the cuff. The skin on the Remz are too floppy. They still kept the angled heel plate but it is not as extreme which is good.
I think most important would be manufacture single sized shells...to fit everybody's foot, and that goes for every skate company...the more sizes the more likely some one is gonna fit into your skate hence more skate sales.
jakeordie
18.04.2009, 01:20
Hey JakeorDie, are you still rocking to Salomons with the V-cut and the Remz liner? Or the K2's? I saw that pic of you from the Revolution Thursday night skate...
:shock:
When can we see some footage of those airs in motion? Are you still getting KRBNZ?
Still on the Salomons, love 'em but I am keen to get on a pair of Carbons and see what the deal is. I'm playing around with a pair of SlimLines too, see what I can do about the groove.....I'll post pics when I get it done. Maybe then I'll ask someone in PHX to film a mini-edit of me doing my old-school shit, fast as hell & twice as ugly. :lol: :lol:
I think I really lucked out with my foot size for the UFS Remz. I was a perfect 8 in the OG's and a 9 in the REMZ gives me a tiny bit of space but it fits quite nice. I can't imagine being a 7 & 1/2 or an 8. The 0803's you can lace up a bit tighter but i'm not sure if that will make a difference. Your size would be an awkward one for sure. Maybe 5 years down the road there will be more shell sizes and the liners won't be removable? Who knows? Yeah and inner laces would be rad.
I would love to see an edit of ugly and twice as fast. Better than all grinds and forced style.
Maybe next year or the year after you will get some KRBNZ and you can do a review.
I've been scanning Ebay lately thinking that one day some gems will pop up... Some good shit in clown foot sizes lately.
zacharias
20.04.2009, 02:03
Hmm I skated an 8 in Remedyz but a 9 Remz would just flop off my feet.
I would be skating better if I had my Freedom of Feet:
http://www.vimeo.com/3057833
That section made me really want to go roll around and do weird things. You really have your own unique thing goin' on there. Loved the music/sounds too... What was that last song? Your like Erik Burke, Kevin Yee and Pat Lennon but your mostly zacharias AND your only 20! When I was 20 I was still copying stuff I saw in videos.
You need to somehow figure out a way to get back on the freedom of feet... Or maybe get some KRBNZ. But even though those RB's must have great fit and comfort I think you need some Remz in your life somehow. What was the longest you've tried to skate some/get used to them for?
justinthursday
20.04.2009, 20:53
Hmm I skated an 8 in Remedyz but a 9 Remz would just flop off my feet.
I would be skating better if I had my Freedom of Feet:
http://www.vimeo.com/3057833
that was really sick.
i love edits that arent your typic stuff and i really like your style minus the occasional flailing of your arms. lol. no hate tho. it was great
Brenmannn
20.04.2009, 23:25
ya man sick section, reminds me of me, but with more skill and creativity, ha!
zacharias
21.04.2009, 00:20
Thanks guys...I feel that section didn't even capture my more "free" style of rolling. Most the cruising tricks and dogslides I usually do were not captured or put into the section. I'm tryin to get someone to film a newer section that is more me just doing what I usually do instead of getting clips.
The last song was something I recorded by myself, it's called "Feel Good". Here is my myspace link for music. www.myspace.com/drzacharias
As for freedom of feet I switched to salo's with remz v-cut cuffs and remz liners but retired em recently because my dogslides/powerslides ate through the soles. Need some Nights! I am back to skating the Point 8's with the remz cuffs, straps and liners but now with Ables flat, might put my fiziks on. I am really considering skating my Remedyz till death, but i dont know :( I skated the first Remz in a size 8 through two set of grind systems. They fit in the beginning but break in and my feet slip front to back. Then got a size 7 skated em for about 5 months and eventually developed ingrown toe nails because they were so tight.
Anyone know if it is possible to stretch the plastic shell like a heat molding would do? I have always had the idea of getting an OS and stretching the toe out so i can fit properly. Then take of the extra straps and cuff . I would just make my own skin, Im pretty decent with a sewing machine and needle...KABLAM!...UFS Remedy Remz
justinthursday
21.04.2009, 01:52
take the skates to a ski shop
they know how to stretch them properly
i have night symmetrical souls for 7-8 salomon boots in great shape if you wanna buy.
chrisedmo
21.04.2009, 07:39
I have a pair of 98 Remedyz - and I tried my friends Carbons on and I have now ordered my own pair, as in my mind they are like an updated, stronger, lighter version of my OG Remedyz.
They do feel different, but yet supportive..
On another note i also tried my friends Remz 0803 or whatever.. Not good. Floppy (WTF is with Remz sharing molds and a removable liner ?) I tried on my OG Remedyz to make sure i wasnt imagining things.. Nope my 98's are lush.
Like i say for me Carbons are like an updated OG Remedyz.
zacharias
21.04.2009, 12:56
I have a pair of 98 Remedyz - and I tried my friends Carbons on and I have now ordered my own pair, as in my mind they are like an updated, stronger, lighter version of my OG Remedyz.
They do feel different, but yet supportive..
On another note i also tried my friends Remz 0803 or whatever.. Not good. Floppy (WTF is with Remz sharing molds and a removable liner ?) I tried on my OG Remedyz to make sure i wasnt imagining things.. Nope my 98's are lush.
Like i say for me Carbons are like an updated OG Remedyz.
Size comparison of all three?
chrisedmo
21.04.2009, 13:24
Size comparison of all three?
Well thats a bit difficult as i think my 98 Remz are a 9UK and they are tight.. almost a bit too tight.
My friends carbons were a 10 UK and were way too big for me.. Had about an inch left. So i have ordered a 9 as the Deshis are one size per mold.
My Friends REMZ 0803s? were a 9UK but again were about an inch too big for me.. Apprently as these have separate liners, its good to do the 9 liner in the 7-8 shell.
If it helps i am a size 9 shoe 85% of the time but some shoes i were an 8.
(All UK sizes)
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