View Full Version : Some shit I got on facebook about Nick Lomax
KingDirty
15.04.2009, 09:38
Dear Nick,
First of all we are very disappointed that you feel that you need to air your grievances publicly on a social network site for everyone to view despite giving you the opportunity to contact us and deal with the matter privately. It is important to note that we have never felt the need to publicly discuss this issue. However, we believe that it is time that we released a public statement explaining the reason for your temporary exclusion.
After you were rejected from the skatepark in March and you texted Ian as to why this was the case we respectfully tried to call you to explain why. We left you a voicemail requesting that you call us back so that we could reiterate the reason for your ban.
Last year you verbally agreed to do a coaching clinic at Rampworx with Rob Pruett, Steve Swain and Pete Dearden. Having won Slamm Jamm you received a cheque for £3500 and then proceeded to attempt to cash your cheque at a specialist cash cheque centre. In order for you to do this you needed to contact Ian (Robinson – Project Manager) to verify that the cheque was yours before they (the specialist cheque cashing centre) would cash the cheque. Ian raised concerns with you at this point because of your new found wealth that you not turn up for the clinic that you were to be paid (well) for… you said and Ian quotes “that it wont happen, I will be there, honest! I will not let you down”.
Unfortunately, after winning the prize pot at Slam Jam 10 you left the country without informing anyone at Rampworx, or Adam Kola your Powerslide representative. This was hugely disappointing for not only the organisation and the rollerblading industry, but also the young people who view you as a significant roll model and for the parents who had invested time and money in bringing their children; particularly those from as far as Cardiff, Ipswich, Coventry and Newcastle. Therefore, you can appreciate our frustration and embarrassment at having to explain to the parents, youth bodies and sponsors that you were unavailable. It is also important to note that your sponsors and teammates were hugely disappointed and embarrassed by your behaviour and lack of professionalism. We have yet to receive an apology from you for this incident and, as yet, have not contacted the Project Manager, Ian Robinson, to discuss your issues with him. To this end we must confirm that you are still banned from the skatepark and as such will not be eligible to compete at the CHAZ SANDS INVITATIONAL ON THE 30th May 2009.
As regards the footage of you at Rampworx we must remind you that any footage filmed at Rampworx and used as edits is the intellectual property of the organisation. If, however, you wish to purchase the rights to this then please contact Ian Robinson on 0151 666 2224.
I hope this statement clears any confusion, misinterpretation, or misinformation that may be circulating about your current ban at Rampworx.
Regards
Rampworx
- This is the lamest part about bringing business professionals and investors into blading. You act like a skater and they bust out some policies and procedures horse shit. You guys should move the chaz sands comp to another park.
bom the israeli
15.04.2009, 09:42
:lol:
So he just disappeared with 3500 GBP?
chilltownRolla
15.04.2009, 09:42
wow thats some shit there
tRoY sAnDeRs
15.04.2009, 09:42
Dear Nick,
First of all we are very disappointed that you feel that you need to air your grievances publicly on a social network site for everyone to view despite giving you the opportunity to contact us and deal with the matter privately. It is important to note that we have never felt the need to publicly discuss this issue. However, we believe that it is time that we released a public statement explaining the reason for your temporary exclusion.
After you were rejected from the skatepark in March and you texted Ian as to why this was the case we respectfully tried to call you to explain why. We left you a voicemail requesting that you call us back so that we could reiterate the reason for your ban.
Last year you verbally agreed to do a coaching clinic at Rampworx with Rob Pruett, Steve Swain and Pete Dearden. Having won Slamm Jamm you received a cheque for £3500 and then proceeded to attempt to cash your cheque at a specialist cash cheque centre. In order for you to do this you needed to contact Ian (Robinson – Project Manager) to verify that the cheque was yours before they (the specialist cheque cashing centre) would cash the cheque. Ian raised concerns with you at this point because of your new found wealth that you not turn up for the clinic that you were to be paid (well) for… you said and Ian quotes “that it wont happen, I will be there, honest! I will not let you down”.
Unfortunately, after winning the prize pot at Slam Jam 10 you left the country without informing anyone at Rampworx, or Adam Kola your Powerslide representative. This was hugely disappointing for not only the organisation and the rollerblading industry, but also the young people who view you as a significant roll model and for the parents who had invested time and money in bringing their children; particularly those from as far as Cardiff, Ipswich, Coventry and Newcastle. Therefore, you can appreciate our frustration and embarrassment at having to explain to the parents, youth bodies and sponsors that you were unavailable. It is also important to note that your sponsors and teammates were hugely disappointed and embarrassed by your behaviour and lack of professionalism. We have yet to receive an apology from you for this incident and, as yet, have not contacted the Project Manager, Ian Robinson, to discuss your issues with him. To this end we must confirm that you are still banned from the skatepark and as such will not be eligible to compete at the CHAZ SANDS INVITATIONAL ON THE 30th May 2009.
As regards the footage of you at Rampworx we must remind you that any footage filmed at Rampworx and used as edits is the intellectual property of the organisation. If, however, you wish to purchase the rights to this then please contact Ian Robinson on 0151 666 2224.
I hope this statement clears any confusion, misinterpretation, or misinformation that may be circulating about your current ban at Rampworx.
Regards
Rampworx
- This is the lamest part about bringing business professionals and investors into blading. You act like a skater and they bust out some policies and procedures horse shit. You guys should move the chaz sands comp to another park.
So to act like a skater you must ignore your responsibilities and obligations?
KingDirty
15.04.2009, 09:43
:lol:
So he just disappeared with 3500 GBP?
I think he got it for winning. Am I wrong?
If he just stole it and dipped its even better.
KingDirty
15.04.2009, 09:44
Dear Nick,
First of all we are very disappointed that you feel that you need to air your grievances publicly on a social network site for everyone to view despite giving you the opportunity to contact us and deal with the matter privately. It is important to note that we have never felt the need to publicly discuss this issue. However, we believe that it is time that we released a public statement explaining the reason for your temporary exclusion.
After you were rejected from the skatepark in March and you texted Ian as to why this was the case we respectfully tried to call you to explain why. We left you a voicemail requesting that you call us back so that we could reiterate the reason for your ban.
Last year you verbally agreed to do a coaching clinic at Rampworx with Rob Pruett, Steve Swain and Pete Dearden. Having won Slamm Jamm you received a cheque for £3500 and then proceeded to attempt to cash your cheque at a specialist cash cheque centre. In order for you to do this you needed to contact Ian (Robinson – Project Manager) to verify that the cheque was yours before they (the specialist cheque cashing centre) would cash the cheque. Ian raised concerns with you at this point because of your new found wealth that you not turn up for the clinic that you were to be paid (well) for… you said and Ian quotes “that it wont happen, I will be there, honest! I will not let you down”.
Unfortunately, after winning the prize pot at Slam Jam 10 you left the country without informing anyone at Rampworx, or Adam Kola your Powerslide representative. This was hugely disappointing for not only the organisation and the rollerblading industry, but also the young people who view you as a significant roll model and for the parents who had invested time and money in bringing their children; particularly those from as far as Cardiff, Ipswich, Coventry and Newcastle. Therefore, you can appreciate our frustration and embarrassment at having to explain to the parents, youth bodies and sponsors that you were unavailable. It is also important to note that your sponsors and teammates were hugely disappointed and embarrassed by your behaviour and lack of professionalism. We have yet to receive an apology from you for this incident and, as yet, have not contacted the Project Manager, Ian Robinson, to discuss your issues with him. To this end we must confirm that you are still banned from the skatepark and as such will not be eligible to compete at the CHAZ SANDS INVITATIONAL ON THE 30th May 2009.
As regards the footage of you at Rampworx we must remind you that any footage filmed at Rampworx and used as edits is the intellectual property of the organisation. If, however, you wish to purchase the rights to this then please contact Ian Robinson on 0151 666 2224.
I hope this statement clears any confusion, misinterpretation, or misinformation that may be circulating about your current ban at Rampworx.
Regards
Rampworx
- This is the lamest part about bringing business professionals and investors into blading. You act like a skater and they bust out some policies and procedures horse shit. You guys should move the chaz sands comp to another park.
So to act like a skater you must ignore your responsibilities and obligations?
Pretty much you fucking Vagina.
yeah nick lomax is weaksauce in my book now.
no wonder he only got a realm skate and not a throne lol
seems like the same kinda shit stefane alfano would do.
Freddy White
15.04.2009, 09:48
I don't care. He's on my "skaters with hot girlfriends" list.
chilltownRolla
15.04.2009, 09:48
yeah fuck that , he won a comp, if it were in the contest rules (written ) then yeah hes a dick, but if it was like hey by the way you should coach the camp , then fuck the bullshit its his money
KingDirty
15.04.2009, 09:50
yeah nick lomax is weaksauce in my book now.
no wonder he only got a realm skate and not a throne lol
seems like the same kinda shit stefane alfano would do.
You havent even read his side of this story. Why must you jump to conclusions? I have seen many skaters get shit on by people transferring into "xtreme sports" in hopes of making millions. They are trying to get that Tony Hawk money and are well versed in business and ethics so they easily take advantage of people who for the most pat assume that everyone is "cool".
hahaha congrats gossip girl.
hahaha congrats gossip girl.
but also the young people who view you as a significant roll model and for the parents who had invested time and money in bringing their children; particularly those from as far as Cardiff, Ipswich, Coventry and Newcastle. :lol: I cant think of 1 person r grom from this city who would go there to learn how to skate. Although they should have informed me because I could do with a few lessons.
Rampworx also need to realise theyre just a petty skatepark and not take themselves too seriously.
KingDirty
15.04.2009, 09:56
hahaha congrats gossip girl.
I take it you are on RampWorx side?
chriscunningham
15.04.2009, 09:57
They can't move the comp because apparently the WRS said that it had to be held at Rampworx, instead of Unit 23 where it has been for the past 2 years.
This is the first I've heard about all this though.
As regards the footage of you at Rampworx we must remind you that any footage filmed at Rampworx and used as edits is the intellectual property of the organisation. If, however, you wish to purchase the rights to this then please contact Ian Robinson on 0151 666 2224.
That's pretty gay.
yeah nick lomax is weaksauce in my book now.
no wonder he only got a realm skate and not a throne lol
seems like the same kinda shit stefane alfano would do.
You havent even read his side of this story. Why must you jump to conclusions? I have seen many skaters get shit on by people transferring into "xtreme sports" in hopes of making millions. They are trying to get that Tony Hawk money and are well versed in business and ethics so they easily take advantage of people who for the most pat assume that everyone is "cool".
I understand but it's not like he can say he didn't take the check and bounce out of the country when he agreed to teach lil' kiddies that look up to him and didn't tell anyone that he's accountable to about it. He either did or he didn't ya know?
that shit about footage is beat though.
It sucks as Nick has quite a good ranking after placing highly in the states. The guys at Rampworx have always been very proper when it comes to rules and regulations it seems.
hahah i'm from Bulgaria and don't really care about RampWorx...it's just funny :D now you can spend 398290423 hours arguing about some stupid gossips :)
KingDirty
15.04.2009, 10:00
yeah nick lomax is weaksauce in my book now.
no wonder he only got a realm skate and not a throne lol
seems like the same kinda shit stefane alfano would do.
You havent even read his side of this story. Why must you jump to conclusions? I have seen many skaters get shit on by people transferring into "xtreme sports" in hopes of making millions. They are trying to get that Tony Hawk money and are well versed in business and ethics so they easily take advantage of people who for the most pat assume that everyone is "cool".
I understand but it's not like he can say he didn't take the check and bounce out of the country when he agreed to teach lil' kiddies that look up to him and didn't tell anyone that he's accountable to about it. He either did or he didn't ya know?
I wish that life was that easy. There is no telling what happened... What if the girl with the huge tits from that dudes sig was trying to suck him off for a week.
Nick would have tore that place up at the Chaz comp and probably placed top 3 so that sucks.
yeah nick lomax is weaksauce in my book now.
no wonder he only got a realm skate and not a throne lol
seems like the same kinda shit stefane alfano would do.
You havent even read his side of this story. Why must you jump to conclusions? I have seen many skaters get shit on by people transferring into "xtreme sports" in hopes of making millions. They are trying to get that Tony Hawk money and are well versed in business and ethics so they easily take advantage of people who for the most pat assume that everyone is "cool".
I understand but it's not like he can say he didn't take the check and bounce out of the country when he agreed to teach lil' kiddies that look up to him and didn't tell anyone that he's accountable to about it. He either did or he didn't ya know?
I wish that life was that easy. There is no telling what happened... What if the girl with the huge tits from that dudes sig was trying to suck him off for a week.
Ah well in that case. Point.
tRoY sAnDeRs
15.04.2009, 10:03
ten pages
KingDirty
15.04.2009, 10:04
ten pages
The amount of vaginal shit coming out of your mouth this morning is disturbing. Yo man, what are you up to today? Come through with the V-Lux video and then we can go bladin sucka.
I have your photo btw...
I seriously doubt that even a single kid cared whether Nick was at those clinics or not. I think Rampworx is being really stupid by taking one of the country's major talents off the roster over a petty little squabble like that.
tRoY sAnDeRs
15.04.2009, 10:13
ten pages
The amount of vaginal shit coming out of your mouth this morning is disturbing. Yo man, what are you up to today? Come through with the V-Lux video and then we can go bladin sucka.
I have your photo btw...
what vaginal shit? Saying that you have to fuck up to be rollerblader, no thanks, but whatever.
Yes to skating, I've got nothing going on today. V-lux viewing then blade sesh? Hit me up.
spaniard
15.04.2009, 10:14
wellll..
Basically Nicks gf lived in france and he couldnt afford to go visit her so he agreed to do the clinics and work to make the money to go visit her, and then he won the comp and won all that money so instead of waiting a few weeks and fulfilling his job acceptance he just bounced because he could afford it. He was on the posters and that. They knew he needed the money so thats why they were afraid he would bounce. Nick is a bit of a G like that tho, hes missed a few flights and stuff too, but hes just too good at skating for it to be too much of a big deal. But yeh i understand both points of view. Not too professional on his part but love is love innit.
KingDirty
15.04.2009, 10:15
ten pages
The amount of vaginal shit coming out of your mouth this morning is disturbing. Yo man, what are you up to today? Come through with the V-Lux video and then we can go bladin sucka.
I have your photo btw...
what vaginal shit? Saying that you have to fuck up to be rollerblader, no thanks, but whatever.
Yes to skating, I've got nothing going on today. V-lux viewing then blade sesh? Hit me up.
I just did, on Be-Mag. I think Jamie is coming home but dont bring that sissy tits attitude with you. I know that it is important to be professional in blading, I mean when someone is getting paid a grand a month they can at least do everything they are told...
8)
KingDirty
15.04.2009, 10:16
wellll..
Basically Nicks gf lived in france and he couldnt afford to go visit her so he agreed to do the clinics and work to make the money to go visit her, and then he won the comp and won all that money so instead of waiting a few weeks and fulfilling his job acceptance he just bounced because he could afford it. He was on the posters and that. They knew he needed the money so thats why they were afraid he would bounce. Nick is a bit of a G like that tho, hes missed a few flights and stuff too, but hes just too good at skating for it to be too much of a big deal. But yeh i understand both points of view. Not too professional on his part but love is love innit.
Well done.
I feel like I can go about my business now...
wellll..
Basically Nicks gf lived in france and he couldnt afford to go visit her so he agreed to do the clinics and work to make the money to go visit her, and then he won the comp and won all that money so instead of waiting a few weeks and fulfilling his job acceptance he just bounced because he could afford it. He was on the posters and that. They knew he needed the money so thats why they were afraid he would bounce. Nick is a bit of a G like that tho, hes missed a few flights and stuff too, but hes just too good at skating for it to be too much of a big deal. But yeh i understand both points of view. Not too professional on his part but love is love innit.
Long distance FTMFL
so they are pissed because someone quit their job, before they even started? people quit jobs all the time.
As regards the footage of you at Rampworx we must remind you that any footage filmed at Rampworx and used as edits is the intellectual property of the organisation. If, however, you wish to purchase the rights to this then please contact Ian Robinson on 0151 666 2224.
That's pretty gay.
haha yeah, I wonder if they make you sign a waiver or have a sign near the entrance that says "all your IP rights are belong to us" or something.
Charlie Hustles
15.04.2009, 12:27
The idea of "Intellectual Property" is not real, don't let anyone make you think otherwise.
gen2roller
15.04.2009, 12:31
He could have called them haha
GrantMajor
15.04.2009, 12:37
If i won £3500 first thing i would do is go spend time with some hot women abroad = No biggy!
Corkdawg
15.04.2009, 12:42
Is Great Britain/ feeling the effects of the recession? 3500 euros is how many dollars?
Corkdawg
15.04.2009, 12:46
The idea of "Intellectual Property" is not real, don't let anyone make you think otherwise.
I dont know how the law works over in England, but over here if he were at a skate park and they filmed him technically he cant do anything about that because hes inside some one elses facility so basically they can publish his work, unless he was under 18. but thats all business. but buying out your rights sound like some record industry talk lol. just like Jim Jones owns max b publishing and the only way to get that is to buy it back.
shawn adair
15.04.2009, 12:48
Nick would have tore that place up at the Chaz comp and probably placed top 3 so that sucks.
terpander
15.04.2009, 12:48
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/terpander/ffffffuuuuuuuuuu.gif
tRoY sAnDeRs
15.04.2009, 12:52
ten pages
The amount of vaginal shit coming out of your mouth this morning is disturbing. Yo man, what are you up to today? Come through with the V-Lux video and then we can go bladin sucka.
I have your photo btw...
what vaginal shit? Saying that you have to fuck up to be rollerblader, no thanks, but whatever.
Yes to skating, I've got nothing going on today. V-lux viewing then blade sesh? Hit me up.
I just did, on Be-Mag. I think Jamie is coming home but dont bring that sissy tits attitude with you. I know that it is important to be professional in blading, I mean when someone is getting paid a grand a month they can at least do everything they are told...
8)
Hahaha I'm gonna whine the entire session. Its gonna be nothing but sissy tits.
Not too professional on his part
gambiacrumember
15.04.2009, 13:08
Is Great Britain/ feeling the effects of the recession? 3500 euros is how many dollars?
We don't have any of that euros jaunce here. £3500 is around the $5000 mark.
Sadisticroller
15.04.2009, 13:14
Basically the guys who work at rampworks finger kids, Lomax saw it and tried to go to the Liverpool Echo with the story. But one of the major rampworx shareholders works for the liverpool echo, so he put a block on the story leaving lomax with no home to go to. This is when the Prime Minister (thats like our the President for you Americans) wrote a letter of apology on Lomax's behalf, but Lomax had already put out an edit using footage from the skatepark. Luckily the Jezebels who own rampworks remortgaged their skatepark to employ some Cambodian superhacker to send a letter to youtube to ask them to remove the video. Then a well informed member of the public told the turds at rampworks that its rollerblading they are so worked up about, and they realised what idiots they had been and have since sent a letter of apology to Lomax.
If you want a short version, Lomax 1- Rampworks 0
drew_amato
15.04.2009, 13:56
I don't get how everyone bitches about how rollerblading shouldn't be underground and that pros deserve so much more money and to be treated like a professional, and when they do something unprofessional everyone throws a hissy fit over it.
al dolega
15.04.2009, 14:03
Sounds to me like Lomax skimped on an obligation to Rampworx and the Rampworx guys handled it in a pretty professional manner. Rampworx had money and time and work invested into promoting a camp featuring Lomax, why shouldn't they be upset when he flakes on them? Oh, he wanted to visit his girlfriend.... yea, that makes it totally ok then :roll:
tonyrivituso
15.04.2009, 14:10
Sounds to me like Lomax skimped on an obligation to Rampworx and the Rampworx guys handled it in a pretty professional manner. Rampworx had money and time and work invested into promoting a camp featuring Lomax, why shouldn't they be upset when he flakes on them? Oh, he wanted to visit his girlfriend.... yea, that makes it totally ok then :roll:
truth. when you carry the title professional, you are held accountable for your actions, good or bad. granted he only got a realm pro-skate, but he is still representing his sponsors. as much as i hate to say it, but when you're pro it's your job to portray a suitable image to benefit yourself and your sponsors.
i'm not judging his character, but it does seem he was given quite a few opportunities to set the situation correct.
jakeordie
15.04.2009, 14:11
Maybe one day rollerblading will grow the fuck up and learn what professionalism is.....probably not.
kike mallahan
15.04.2009, 14:17
blah blah blah
Freddy White
15.04.2009, 14:21
Oh, he wanted to visit his girlfriend.... yea, that makes it totally ok then :roll:
Dude, you didn't see her legs ! Her legs make it totally OK, OK !?
jonathan
15.04.2009, 14:26
Sounds to me like Lomax skimped on an obligation to Rampworx and the Rampworx guys handled it in a pretty professional manner. Rampworx had money and time and work invested into promoting a camp featuring Lomax, why shouldn't they be upset when he flakes on them? Oh, he wanted to visit his girlfriend.... yea, that makes it totally ok then :roll:
truth. when you carry the title professional, you are held accountable for your actions, good or bad. granted he only got a realm pro-skate, but he is still representing his sponsors. as much as i hate to say it, but when you're pro it's your job to portray a suitable image to benefit yourself and your sponsors.
i'm not judging his character, but it does seem he was given quite a few opportunities to set the situation correct.
Wouldn't he get fired if he bailed out of work to see his girlfriend for a few weeks?
what's the big deal?
tonyrivituso
15.04.2009, 14:27
Sounds to me like Lomax skimped on an obligation to Rampworx and the Rampworx guys handled it in a pretty professional manner. Rampworx had money and time and work invested into promoting a camp featuring Lomax, why shouldn't they be upset when he flakes on them? Oh, he wanted to visit his girlfriend.... yea, that makes it totally ok then :roll:
truth. when you carry the title professional, you are held accountable for your actions, good or bad. granted he only got a realm pro-skate, but he is still representing his sponsors. as much as i hate to say it, but when you're pro it's your job to portray a suitable image to benefit yourself and your sponsors.
i'm not judging his character, but it does seem he was given quite a few opportunities to set the situation correct.
Wouldn't he get fired if he bailed out of work to see his girlfriend for a few weeks?
what's the big deal?
if he's not, he probably should be.
jonathan
15.04.2009, 14:33
If he was a pro, then that is his job.
any normal job you'll get canned.
gambiacrumember
15.04.2009, 14:38
Sounds to me like Lomax skimped on an obligation to Rampworx and the Rampworx guys handled it in a pretty professional manner. Rampworx had money and time and work invested into promoting a camp featuring Lomax, why shouldn't they be upset when he flakes on them? Oh, he wanted to visit his girlfriend.... yea, that makes it totally ok then :roll:
truth. when you carry the title professional, you are held accountable for your actions, good or bad. granted he only got a realm pro-skate, but he is still representing his sponsors. as much as i hate to say it, but when you're pro it's your job to portray a suitable image to benefit yourself and your sponsors.
i'm not judging his character, but it does seem he was given quite a few opportunities to set the situation correct.
Wouldn't he get fired if he bailed out of work to see his girlfriend for a few weeks?
what's the big deal?
if he's not, he probably should be.
Woah, he's no Alfano.
m.m.lunatic
15.04.2009, 14:39
Hall of Fame?!?!?!? I see a future for this thread.
God hates FRSH
15.04.2009, 14:43
Basically the guys who work at rampworks finger kids, Lomax saw it and tried to go to the Liverpool Echo with the story. But one of the major rampworx shareholders works for the liverpool echo, so he put a block on the story leaving lomax with no home to go to. This is when the Prime Minister (thats like our the President for you Americans) wrote a letter of apology on Lomax's behalf, but Lomax had already put out an edit using footage from the skatepark. Luckily the Jezebels who own rampworks remortgaged their skatepark to employ some Cambodian superhacker to send a letter to youtube to ask them to remove the video. Then a well informed member of the public told the turds at rampworks that its rollerblading they are so worked up about, and they realised what idiots they had been and have since sent a letter of apology to Lomax.
If you want a short version, Lomax 1- Rampworks 0
haha anyone else notice this? :lol:
tonyrivituso
15.04.2009, 14:44
Basically the guys who work at rampworks finger kids, Lomax saw it and tried to go to the Liverpool Echo with the story. But one of the major rampworx shareholders works for the liverpool echo, so he put a block on the story leaving lomax with no home to go to. This is when the Prime Minister (thats like our the President for you Americans) wrote a letter of apology on Lomax's behalf, but Lomax had already put out an edit using footage from the skatepark. Luckily the Jezebels who own rampworks remortgaged their skatepark to employ some Cambodian superhacker to send a letter to youtube to ask them to remove the video. Then a well informed member of the public told the turds at rampworks that its rollerblading they are so worked up about, and they realised what idiots they had been and have since sent a letter of apology to Lomax.
If you want a short version, Lomax 1- Rampworks 0
yes, but due to it being ficticious, i think no one cared to give it the time of day....except you.
haha anyone else notice this? :lol:
God hates FRSH
15.04.2009, 14:47
fail
I totally understand the reaction of rampworx skatepark.
But I also understand how this statement confuses many people who are used to the unprofessional shithole rollerblading today really is.
It is perfectly okay to make use of your domestic authority and restrict someone on using material he produced at one of your events at your property.
Maybe one day rollerblading will grow the fuck up and learn what professionalism is.....probably not.Yeah, probably right about the same time they get paid like professionals. You're not going to pay someone like they work at mcdonalds and expect them to live up to every one of your expectations. You get what you pay for.
uncle blake
15.04.2009, 15:39
[quote=jakeordie] You get what you pay for. [/b]
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Just like Nick is considered a "PRO," so is a full time Mickey D's employee.
Pro=Professional=PROFESSION=Job
minimum wage salary =/= shit
Rollerbladers are faggots, why do we not all accept this yet?
LOL< U 2, ELK
al dolega
15.04.2009, 15:55
Ok, so the pay sucks. Not much to argue there. It's unfortunate, but $1000 a month or whatever is all that the current size of rollerblading can sustain.
However, McDonald's employees still get fired when they don't show up for the days they're scheduled to work. And Lomax skipped the days that had potential to make some impact on his pay scale- getting new/young kids juiced on skating.
jakeordie
15.04.2009, 16:02
Maybe one day rollerblading will grow the fuck up and learn what professionalism is.....probably not.Yeah, probably right about the same time they get paid like professionals. You're not going to pay someone like they work at mcdonalds and expect them to live up to every one of your expectations. You get what you pay for.
I'm talking about the culture as a whole, not individual pros. I think rollerblading's idea of what "pro" means is buckled, but this is as much the industry's doing as the skaters (like when RB dropped Richie Velasquez for Julian Bah). Companies are still marketing the rockstar attitude to teenage skaters because it sells, and when these skaters turn pro they think their job is to act like a rockstar.
from coventry?
i'd love to know which geeks went to that.
CurbedMyEnthusiasm
15.04.2009, 16:14
Maybe someone should check out his responces before everyone jumps on the rampworx side of the story...
Nick Lomax at 5:30pm April 15
haha thats soo funny.. you relesed a full on statement, just because i left you two messages on facebook, awww did it offend you :( its a very nice big message anyway, but lets quote a few things on your side then yeah?? PROFESSIONAL= contacting your clinic team riders 6DAYS before the event started.. i know skatings a minority sport. but i am PRO... Read More, which means i have shit to do, i cant just drop my plans for rampworx. if i was informed a little bit before, then sure, no problem.. and i like the way you forgot to mention that, I hooked up LEE davro to replace my part? not conference.. not rampworx.. ME, i sorted it.. with dave bell. just also like to add, my sponsers were fine with me going back to france, and as were my freinds and team riders, obviosly they tell you differant, but as i gave lee (the only team rider) the job, so he earns money, im sure he was more than happy :)
ALSO emailing my sponsers saying i need to grow a set of balls, is very professional, but my balls are masive
Nick Lomax at 5:41pm April 15
ps.. if stefan alfano, elliot stevens, or swain won that £3000 check.. then you would have to cash that for them just like you did for me.. you did me no favours.. i won the money fair and square.. just seems like your really bitter about me winnig, and which you ban me from the chaz event so i dont win any more money..
Professional...MAN
Also, the dudes at Rampworx AREN'T dudes.. they have the worst fucking attitudes in the world.. i dont know why any skate event is held there.
Like that other bro said Nick 1 - rampworx 0
CurbedMyEnthusiasm
15.04.2009, 16:16
Stated in the above responce...
"Also, the dudes at Rampworx AREN'T dudes.. they have the worst fucking attitudes in the world.. i dont know why any skate event is held there. "
Nick didnt write that. that was my thoughts added after his quoted responce.
the main problem is if pros should be alowed to fuck about when they are being paid
rollerblading is an industry. that means that it has to make money for the people running it to live off. these peooke need to sponser pros that they can rely on to turn up when they are needed. otherwise they are gonna loose money. so from a business point of view pros can only dick around so much.
but that is pretty fucking boring and i personally think that pros should be given some freedom to do what they want as long as they can still be trusted by their sponsors to rollerblade when they are needed...thats what they are paid for.
The difference is that there should be a difference between pros who blade and have a rockstar attitude while they are doing it and pros who dont blade......
i sympathize with nick for dipping but he still has a job and every job needs to be committed to in the real world.
He doesn't have a bank account? Why did he go to one of those 'CHEQUES FOR CASH" places? Or am I reading that wrong?
jakeordie
15.04.2009, 16:21
Also, the dudes at Rampworx AREN'T dudes.
wat
i just found some interesting replies on facebook....
haha thats soo funny.. you relesed a full on statement, just because i left you two messages on facebook, awww did it offend you :( its a very nice big message anyway, but lets quote a few things on your side then yeah?? PROFESSIONAL= contacting your clinic team riders 6DAYS before the event started.. i know skatings a minority sport. but i am PRO, which means i have shit to do, i cant just drop my plans for rampworx. if i was informed a little bit before, then sure, no problem.. and i like the way you forgot to mention that, I hooked up LEE davro to replace my part? not conference.. not rampworx.. ME, i sorted it.. with dave bell. just also like to add, my sponsers were fine with me going back to france, and as were my freinds and team riders, obviosly they tell you differant, but as i gave lee (the only team rider) the job, so he earns money, im sure he was more than happy :)
ALSO emailing my sponsers saying i need to grow a set of balls, is very professional, but my balls are masive
i tihnk that nick seems valid in saying he backed the clinic with someone else
ps.. if stefan alfano, elliot stevens, or swain won that £3000 check.. then you would have to cash that for them just like you did for me.. you did me no favours.. i won the money fair and square.. just seems like your really bitter about me winnig, and which you ban me from the chaz event so i dont win any more money..
Professional...MAN
looks like rampworx were a little bit pissed that he didnt show which is fair if he said he would be there but didnt but hes sorted it out in a proffesional manner. banning him from chaz sands is immature and not that relevent. it is punishment for the sake of punishment. not the same as not being able to rely on him in the future
uncle blake
15.04.2009, 16:29
Ok, so the pay sucks. Not much to argue there. It's unfortunate, but $1000 a month or whatever is all that the current size of rollerblading can sustain.
However, McDonald's employees still get fired when they don't show up for the days they're scheduled to work. And Lomax skipped the days that had potential to make some impact on his pay scale- getting new/young kids juiced on skating.
I definitely wasn't defending Nick's actions saying it's okay to be unprofessional. All I'm saying is just b/c he's "pro," in no reason to expect too much from him considering his pay. If a Mickey D's employee was a no show, I wouldn't be suprised. Not to mention this is for furture employment, he had only agreed to show. Again, if a Mickey D's employee didn't show on there first day, I doubt that employee would have a replacement.
Rampworx took appropriate action in their eyes. It's their park they can do what they like. I just don't think Nick should be crusified for this.
and "potential income" is pipe dreams if expectations are based off of that.. SHOW ME THE MONEY! That's like me telling you to keep up the good job of reviewing skates, and I'll pay you for it eventually, real well too. :wink: (or something like that)
The more this story unfolds, the more the unprofessional Rampworx looks. Withholding winnigs? They sound like a bunch a brats themselves. Real professionals would move on and deal with instead the interwebz got the best of them.
estiloskater
15.04.2009, 16:53
Oh, he wanted to visit his girlfriend.... yea, that makes it totally ok then :roll:
Dude, you didn't see her legs ! Her legs make it totally OK, OK !?
Fuck it
post pics of her NAO
Maybe one day rollerblading will grow the fuck up and learn what professionalism is.....probably not.Yeah, probably right about the same time they get paid like professionals. You're not going to pay someone like they work at mcdonalds and expect them to live up to every one of your expectations. You get what you pay for.
I'm talking about the culture as a whole, not individual pros. I think rollerblading's idea of what "pro" means is buckled, but this is as much the industry's doing as the skaters (like when RB dropped Richie Velasquez for Julian Bah). Companies are still marketing the rockstar attitude to teenage skaters because it sells, and when these skaters turn pro they think their job is to act like a rockstar.Oh man, we're not gonna see eye to eye on this one. I've ALWAYS been a fan of the "rockstar" cocky dudes. As I grew up EVERYONE wanted to be FP, not cause they were your best friends and the politest dudes out there. It was because they acted above it all. It was more something to strive to be as a kid, to be so tight that you were on a whole other level.
That's just my opinion and I'm sure you're the complete opposite, but whatevs, I just thought I'd give my point of view.
I say bring on more "rockstars", assholes, punks, people with attitude. Fuck it, pros these days are too boring to look up to. Bring back FP
However, McDonald's employees still get fired when they don't show up for the days they're scheduled to work. And Lomax skipped the days that had potential to make some impact on his pay scale- getting new/young kids juiced on skating.I'm not saying really the not showing part, just more the surprise in a "pro" acting like a jerk-off.
It's like if you were the manager at mcdonalds and you found one of your employees sleeping would you be like "OMFG I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'RE SLEEPING WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?!?!?! I'M ISSUING A PRESS RELEASE" or would you just be a bit less shocked that you're highly underpaid employee wasn't taking his job that seriously?
Freddy White
15.04.2009, 17:25
You guys are missing the point.
http://www.lunetoil.net/img/00004655F.JPG
jakeordie
15.04.2009, 17:26
I think rollerblading's idea of what "pro" means is buckled, but this is as much the industry's doing as the skaters (like when RB dropped Richie Velasquez for Julian Bah). Companies are still marketing the rockstar attitude to teenage skaters because it sells, and when these skaters turn pro they think their job is to act like a rockstar.
Oh man, we're not gonna see eye to eye on this one. I've ALWAYS been a fan of the "rockstar" cocky dudes. As I grew up EVERYONE wanted to be FP, not cause they were your best friends and the politest dudes out there. It was because they acted above it all. It was more something to strive to be as a kid, to be so tight that you were on a whole other level.
That's just my opinion and I'm sure you're the complete opposite, but whatevs, I just thought I'd give my point of view.
I say bring on more "rockstars", assholes, punks, people with attitude. Fuck it, pros these days are too boring to look up to. Bring back FP
Hold up man, the question here is professionalism. I understand what you said above, but look at this from a sponsor's perspective. The core skaters might think it's cool, but this doesn't convert into $$$ for the company like sponsoring a respectable professional will. The attitude you speak of played a big part in rollerblading being shunned by the action sports community, and rollerblading still hasn't matured enough to understand that.....we want the money, but we're not willing to meet any obligations that the money is payment for.
I think rollerblading's idea of what "pro" means is buckled, but this is as much the industry's doing as the skaters (like when RB dropped Richie Velasquez for Julian Bah). Companies are still marketing the rockstar attitude to teenage skaters because it sells, and when these skaters turn pro they think their job is to act like a rockstar.
Oh man, we're not gonna see eye to eye on this one. I've ALWAYS been a fan of the "rockstar" cocky dudes. As I grew up EVERYONE wanted to be FP, not cause they were your best friends and the politest dudes out there. It was because they acted above it all. It was more something to strive to be as a kid, to be so tight that you were on a whole other level.
That's just my opinion and I'm sure you're the complete opposite, but whatevs, I just thought I'd give my point of view.
I say bring on more "rockstars", assholes, punks, people with attitude. Fuck it, pros these days are too boring to look up to. Bring back FP
Hold up man, the question here is professionalism. I understand what you said above, but look at this from a sponsor's perspective. The core skaters might think it's cool, but this doesn't convert into $$$ for the company like sponsoring a respectable professional will. The attitude you speak of played a big part in rollerblading being shunned by the action sports community, and rollerblading still hasn't matured enough to understand that.....we want the money, but we're not willing to meet any obligations that the money is payment for.I still don't agree. Have you ever seen how skateboarders act? Their party footage and shenanigans is RIDICULOUS. Who makes CRAZY money, and who can barely pay rent?
And let's face it, we're never gonna appeal to the masses, so we better get good at selling to the insiders. The only people I ever looked up to were the wild ass characters who were actually INTERESTING.
Champion punched some ASA event organizer in the head, I went and bought his wheels.
uncle blake
15.04.2009, 17:35
I think rollerblading's idea of what "pro" means is buckled, but this is as much the industry's doing as the skaters (like when RB dropped Richie Velasquez for Julian Bah). Companies are still marketing the rockstar attitude to teenage skaters because it sells, and when these skaters turn pro they think their job is to act like a rockstar.
Oh man, we're not gonna see eye to eye on this one. I've ALWAYS been a fan of the "rockstar" cocky dudes. As I grew up EVERYONE wanted to be FP, not cause they were your best friends and the politest dudes out there. It was because they acted above it all. It was more something to strive to be as a kid, to be so tight that you were on a whole other level.
That's just my opinion and I'm sure you're the complete opposite, but whatevs, I just thought I'd give my point of view.
I say bring on more "rockstars", assholes, punks, people with attitude. Fuck it, pros these days are too boring to look up to. Bring back FP
Hold up man, the question here is professionalism. I understand what you said above, but look at this from a sponsor's perspective. The core skaters might think it's cool, but this doesn't convert into $$$ for the company like sponsoring a respectable professional will. The attitude you speak of played a big part in rollerblading being shunned by the action sports community, and rollerblading still hasn't matured enough to understand that.....we want the money, but we're not willing to meet any obligations that the money is payment for.I still don't agree. Have you ever seen how skateboarders act? Their party footage and shenanigans is RIDICULOUS. Who makes CRAZY money, and who can barely pay rent?
And let's face it, we're never gonna appeal to the masses, so we better get good at selling to the insiders. The only people I ever looked up to were the wild ass characters who were actually INTERESTING.
Champion punched some ASA event organizer in the head, I went and bought his wheels.
:lol:
Keep'em coming.
KingDirty
15.04.2009, 17:39
I think rollerblading's idea of what "pro" means is buckled, but this is as much the industry's doing as the skaters (like when RB dropped Richie Velasquez for Julian Bah). Companies are still marketing the rockstar attitude to teenage skaters because it sells, and when these skaters turn pro they think their job is to act like a rockstar.
Oh man, we're not gonna see eye to eye on this one. I've ALWAYS been a fan of the "rockstar" cocky dudes. As I grew up EVERYONE wanted to be FP, not cause they were your best friends and the politest dudes out there. It was because they acted above it all. It was more something to strive to be as a kid, to be so tight that you were on a whole other level.
That's just my opinion and I'm sure you're the complete opposite, but whatevs, I just thought I'd give my point of view.
I say bring on more "rockstars", assholes, punks, people with attitude. Fuck it, pros these days are too boring to look up to. Bring back FP
Hold up man, the question here is professionalism. I understand what you said above, but look at this from a sponsor's perspective. The core skaters might think it's cool, but this doesn't convert into $$$ for the company like sponsoring a respectable professional will. The attitude you speak of played a big part in rollerblading being shunned by the action sports community, and rollerblading still hasn't matured enough to understand that.....we want the money, but we're not willing to meet any obligations that the money is payment for.
Actions sports did not shun us because we were assholes. "Action" sports shunned us because we got paid out the ass out of nowhere and they had worked years to get their shit going. FUCK ACTION SPORTS, they hate you because you rollerblade and they will never tap you on the shoulder and say that they dig your shit. If yo want respect you earn it with hard work and dedication which is what Alex, Chris, Lomax etc are doing by risking their lives for a few thou a month. Rob Dyrdek isnt going to write a magical check or give us his stamp of approval and let us be cool again. Actually being cool and not tying to ride on "action sports" coat tails is what will make us relevant to whomever it is you think we should be obligated to.
You can be professional and still have respect for yourself...
Read Nick Lomax (the skater) response and if you cant understand where he is coming from than you need to go skating more often.
Champion punched some ASA event organizer in the head, I went and bought his wheels.
qftw :lol:
KingDirty
15.04.2009, 17:40
I think rollerblading's idea of what "pro" means is buckled, but this is as much the industry's doing as the skaters (like when RB dropped Richie Velasquez for Julian Bah). Companies are still marketing the rockstar attitude to teenage skaters because it sells, and when these skaters turn pro they think their job is to act like a rockstar.
Oh man, we're not gonna see eye to eye on this one. I've ALWAYS been a fan of the "rockstar" cocky dudes. As I grew up EVERYONE wanted to be FP, not cause they were your best friends and the politest dudes out there. It was because they acted above it all. It was more something to strive to be as a kid, to be so tight that you were on a whole other level.
That's just my opinion and I'm sure you're the complete opposite, but whatevs, I just thought I'd give my point of view.
I say bring on more "rockstars", assholes, punks, people with attitude. Fuck it, pros these days are too boring to look up to. Bring back FP
Hold up man, the question here is professionalism. I understand what you said above, but look at this from a sponsor's perspective. The core skaters might think it's cool, but this doesn't convert into $$$ for the company like sponsoring a respectable professional will. The attitude you speak of played a big part in rollerblading being shunned by the action sports community, and rollerblading still hasn't matured enough to understand that.....we want the money, but we're not willing to meet any obligations that the money is payment for.I still don't agree. Have you ever seen how skateboarders act? Their party footage and shenanigans is RIDICULOUS. Who makes CRAZY money, and who can barely pay rent?
And let's face it, we're never gonna appeal to the masses, so we better get good at selling to the insiders. The only people I ever looked up to were the wild ass characters who were actually INTERESTING.
Champion punched some ASA event organizer in the head, I went and bought his wheels.
I want to hump your face right now Matt, you are on FIIIIIIYYYAAAA!
uncle blake
15.04.2009, 17:44
I think rollerblading's idea of what "pro" means is buckled, but this is as much the industry's doing as the skaters (like when RB dropped Richie Velasquez for Julian Bah). Companies are still marketing the rockstar attitude to teenage skaters because it sells, and when these skaters turn pro they think their job is to act like a rockstar.
Oh man, we're not gonna see eye to eye on this one. I've ALWAYS been a fan of the "rockstar" cocky dudes. As I grew up EVERYONE wanted to be FP, not cause they were your best friends and the politest dudes out there. It was because they acted above it all. It was more something to strive to be as a kid, to be so tight that you were on a whole other level.
That's just my opinion and I'm sure you're the complete opposite, but whatevs, I just thought I'd give my point of view.
I say bring on more "rockstars", assholes, punks, people with attitude. Fuck it, pros these days are too boring to look up to. Bring back FP
Hold up man, the question here is professionalism. I understand what you said above, but look at this from a sponsor's perspective. The core skaters might think it's cool, but this doesn't convert into $$$ for the company like sponsoring a respectable professional will. The attitude you speak of played a big part in rollerblading being shunned by the action sports community, and rollerblading still hasn't matured enough to understand that.....we want the money, but we're not willing to meet any obligations that the money is payment for.
Actions sports did not shun us because we were assholes. "Action" sports shunned us because we got paid out the ass out of nowhere and they had worked years to get their shit going. FUCK ACTION SPORTS, they hate you because you rollerblade and they will never tap you on the shoulder and say that they dig your shit. If yo want respect you earn it with hard work and dedication which is what Alex, Chris, Lomax etc are doing by risking their lives for a few thou a month. Rob Dyrdek isnt going to write a magical check or give us his stamp of approval and let us be cool again. Actually being cool and not tying to ride on "action sports" coat tails is what will make us relevant to whomever it is you think we should be obligated to.
You can be professional and still have respect for yourself...
Read Nick Lomax (the skater) response and if you cant understand where he is coming from than you need to go skating more often.
I'm glad I'm not the only conspiracy theorist. I really do believe our image today was created off the insecurities of others. We were too young to know any better.
mr.ludwig
15.04.2009, 17:46
so wait if i went to rampworx and filmed shit id have to pay them to publish any of that footy? are you fucking joking.
and the chaz sands comp should definatly be at unit 23, that park looks sooo much better than rampworx
You guys want to talk about obligations and professionalism? Lomax really didn't owe them shit when it comes down to it because it was an oral contract. If Rampworx is really that upset about it they should take Lomax to court, but they probably already realize that they would lose the case in a heartbeat. Both parties could have done things differently but Rampworx is very unprofessional, putting so much time and money into Lomax and then not having him sign a contract! Are you kidding me? If there is one easy thing to do/learn about business it is: ALWAYS PUT IT IN WRITING.
jakeordie
15.04.2009, 17:55
Hold up man, the question here is professionalism. I understand what you said above, but look at this from a sponsor's perspective. The core skaters might think it's cool, but this doesn't convert into $$$ for the company like sponsoring a respectable professional will. The attitude you speak of played a big part in rollerblading being shunned by the action sports community, and rollerblading still hasn't matured enough to understand that.....we want the money, but we're not willing to meet any obligations that the money is payment for.
I still don't agree. Have you ever seen how skateboarders act? Their party footage and shenanigans is RIDICULOUS. Who makes CRAZY money, and who can barely pay rent?
And let's face it, we're never gonna appeal to the masses, so we better get good at selling to the insiders. The only people I ever looked up to were the wild ass characters who were actually INTERESTING.
Champion punched some ASA event organizer in the head, I went and bought his wheels.
My bad.....modeling ourselves based on what skateboarders do has worked like a charm for the last 15 years, hasn't it? Rollerblading doesn't care what appeals to the masses, we've been taught that doing so is lame and gay. In the big picture, what Champion did cost rollerblading more than you & others like you put in.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what FP did and skating has never looked better.....but your argument is flawed, you're beating a dead horse. I'm amazed skaters with your age & experience still can't see this.
You guys want to talk about obligations and professionalism? Lomax really didn't owe them shit when it comes down to it because it was an oral contract. If Rampworx is really that upset about it they should take Lomax to court, but they probably already realize that they would lose the case in a heartbeat. Both parties could have done things differently but Rampworx is very unprofessional, putting so much time and money into Lomax and then not having him sign a contract! Are you kidding me? If there is one easy thing to do/learn about business it is: ALWAYS PUT IT IN WRITING.Verbal Contracts are still binding in most cases.
Hold up man, the question here is professionalism. I understand what you said above, but look at this from a sponsor's perspective. The core skaters might think it's cool, but this doesn't convert into $$$ for the company like sponsoring a respectable professional will. The attitude you speak of played a big part in rollerblading being shunned by the action sports community, and rollerblading still hasn't matured enough to understand that.....we want the money, but we're not willing to meet any obligations that the money is payment for.
I still don't agree. Have you ever seen how skateboarders act? Their party footage and shenanigans is RIDICULOUS. Who makes CRAZY money, and who can barely pay rent?
And let's face it, we're never gonna appeal to the masses, so we better get good at selling to the insiders. The only people I ever looked up to were the wild ass characters who were actually INTERESTING.
Champion punched some ASA event organizer in the head, I went and bought his wheels.
My bad.....modeling ourselves based on what skateboarders do has worked like a charm for the last 15 years, hasn't it? Rollerblading doesn't care what appeals to the masses, we've been taught that doing so is lame and gay. In the big picture, what Champion did cost rollerblading more than you & others like you put in.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what FP did and skating has never looked better.....but your argument is flawed, you're beating a dead horse. I'm amazed skaters with your age & experience still can't see this.It's not modeling ourselves after anything, we're clearly our own entity now. But you're trying to say that actually having some personality will reflect so negatively and blah blah blah fuck it up to the outside masses. Ask ANY child to name a pro skater and I be Bam Margera is the first person he'll think of. The same guy who shoves beer bongs up his buddies ass, the same one that drives a lamborgini.
Beating a dead horse is what we've been doing since all the corporate sponsors left! Moving along with our heads down and our hands at our sides. Quiet and orderly. THAT is what's killing us. Outsiders look at us and see no life in the sport. Just a bunch of boring ass 'fruitbooters'.
KingDirty
15.04.2009, 18:08
Hold up man, the question here is professionalism. I understand what you said above, but look at this from a sponsor's perspective. The core skaters might think it's cool, but this doesn't convert into $$$ for the company like sponsoring a respectable professional will. The attitude you speak of played a big part in rollerblading being shunned by the action sports community, and rollerblading still hasn't matured enough to understand that.....we want the money, but we're not willing to meet any obligations that the money is payment for.
I still don't agree. Have you ever seen how skateboarders act? Their party footage and shenanigans is RIDICULOUS. Who makes CRAZY money, and who can barely pay rent?
And let's face it, we're never gonna appeal to the masses, so we better get good at selling to the insiders. The only people I ever looked up to were the wild ass characters who were actually INTERESTING.
Matt, you are not a p
Champion punched some ASA event organizer in the head, I went and bought his wheels.
My bad.....modeling ourselves based on what skateboarders do has worked like a charm for the last 15 years, hasn't it? Rollerblading doesn't care what appeals to the masses, we've been taught that doing so is lame and gay. In the big picture, what Champion did cost rollerblading more than you & others like you put in.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what FP did and skating has never looked better.....but your argument is flawed, you're beating a dead horse. I'm amazed skaters with your age & experience still can't see this.It's not modeling ourselves after anything, we're clearly our own entity now. But you're trying to say that actually having some personality will reflect so negatively and blah blah blah fuck it up to the outside masses. Ask ANY child to name a pro skater and I be Bam Margera is the first person he'll think of. The same guy who shoves beer bongs up his buddies ass, the same one that drives a lamborgini.
Beating a dead horse is what we've been doing since all the corporate sponsors left! Moving along with our heads down and our hands at our sides. Quiet and orderly. THAT is what's killing us. Outsiders look at us and see no life in the sport. Just a bunch of boring ass 'fruitbooters'.
Matt, get on aim.
jonathan
15.04.2009, 18:13
damn. This is actually interesting.
jakeordie
15.04.2009, 18:31
My bad.....modeling ourselves based on what skateboarders do has worked like a charm for the last 15 years, hasn't it? Rollerblading doesn't care what appeals to the masses, we've been taught that doing so is lame and gay. In the big picture, what Champion did cost rollerblading more than you & others like you put in.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what FP did and skating has never looked better.....but your argument is flawed, you're beating a dead horse. I'm amazed skaters with your age & experience still can't see this.
It's not modeling ourselves after anything, we're clearly our own entity now. But you're trying to say that actually having some personality will reflect so negatively and blah blah blah fuck it up to the outside masses. Ask ANY child to name a pro skater and I be Bam Margera is the first person he'll think of. The same guy who shoves beer bongs up his buddies ass, the same one that drives a lamborgini.
Beating a dead horse is what we've been doing since all the corporate sponsors left! Moving along with our heads down and our hands at our sides. Quiet and orderly. THAT is what's killing us. Outsiders look at us and see no life in the sport. Just a bunch of boring ass 'fruitbooters'.
Your perspective on this is way too narrow, too focused on flawed principles.....you can't see that these principles are the root cause of the problem. Are you honestly saying that our behaviour AFTER corporate sponsors pulled out is the reason they did so?
You say we are our own entity, while implying that what works for Bam Margera can & will work for us. I can understand Arlo and others in similar positions believing this in '94. But I can't understand anyone believing it today, after watching the complete & utter failure of this belief and the devastating effect it has had on all things rollerblading for the past 15 years. Had we owned the companies we represented, maybe things would've worked out different.....maybe not.
Try using examples other than skateboarding to justify your argument, and we'll see how things change.
masonlst
15.04.2009, 18:38
i read all the posts and i think Nick didnt necessarily do his best of fixing the situation because i dont think he contacted rampworks about the new rider taking his place but how they didnt even mention how he at least tried to make the situation better is kind of ridiculous in my eyes. Of course people are going to agree with Rampworks because they didnt say half the shit that Nick did.
I may have said fuck it too if i got the money sooner and didnt need the job anymore.
He didnt sign anything saying that he would be there and Nick got someone else to fill his UNOFFICIAL position teaching at the clinic...that's fair enough. Them putting all the money into ads and shit is their fault because he didnt sign shit.
the only thing they have one him is footy, and that's not even a big deal.
Brodye Chappell
15.04.2009, 19:12
oh man, I had the same dream growing up.... I wanted to be FP so bad! haha
My bad.....modeling ourselves based on what skateboarders do has worked like a charm for the last 15 years, hasn't it? Rollerblading doesn't care what appeals to the masses, we've been taught that doing so is lame and gay. In the big picture, what Champion did cost rollerblading more than you & others like you put in.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what FP did and skating has never looked better.....but your argument is flawed, you're beating a dead horse. I'm amazed skaters with your age & experience still can't see this.
It's not modeling ourselves after anything, we're clearly our own entity now. But you're trying to say that actually having some personality will reflect so negatively and blah blah blah fuck it up to the outside masses. Ask ANY child to name a pro skater and I be Bam Margera is the first person he'll think of. The same guy who shoves beer bongs up his buddies ass, the same one that drives a lamborgini.
Beating a dead horse is what we've been doing since all the corporate sponsors left! Moving along with our heads down and our hands at our sides. Quiet and orderly. THAT is what's killing us. Outsiders look at us and see no life in the sport. Just a bunch of boring ass 'fruitbooters'.
Your perspective on this is way too narrow, too focused on flawed principles.....you can't see that these principles are the root cause of the problem. Are you honestly saying that our behaviour AFTER corporate sponsors pulled out is the reason they did so?
You say we are our own entity, while implying that what works for Bam Margera can & will work for us. I can understand Arlo and others in similar positions believing this in '94. But I can't understand anyone believing it today, after watching the complete & utter failure of this belief and the devastating effect it has had on all things rollerblading for the past 15 years. Had we owned the companies we represented, maybe things would've worked out different.....maybe not.
Try using examples other than skateboarding to justify your argument, and we'll see how things change.Blah blah blah, it's all speculation and theories on both our parts.
And why should skateboarding not be used as an example? In a perfect world that's where I'd like to see rollerblading.
And YES I am saying our behavior AFTER the sponsors left has been the nail in the coffin. Remember how much life rollerblading had in it back in those days? Remember how fun that shit looked and how cool all the people were? Now we act like abused animals, all timid and shy.
Brodye Chappell
15.04.2009, 19:21
I think im on team rotgut here...
worst u all know shitThanks for contributing. You're a real key player.
jakeordie
15.04.2009, 20:58
why should skateboarding not be used as an example? In a perfect world that's where I'd like to see rollerblading.
There's a good reason why it shouldn't always be used as the only example.....but you don't care. You want what skateboarding culture has to offer, but you'd rather be on rollerblades than on a skateboard. It makes no difference to you what flatland bmxers or boogie boarders or freeskiers are doing, because you don't wanna be like them.....you wanna be like skateboarders.
This sums up why so few people choose to start rollerblading, and why there's no light at the end of the tunnel. Rollerblading's identity is still dependent on skateboarding, so newcomers either choose skateboarding OR they choose to be a skateboarder on rollerblades like you. It's been this way for 15 years, and we've been losing for most of them.....but you don't care.
Can you still not see it? The identity our industry sells to rollerbladers is a cheap knock-off, it's fake. No matter how much you polish a Folex, it'll never stand up to the real thing. Rollerblading has so much potential, if only we would lose the chip on our shoulder and just go our own way.....but you don't want that.
Don't bother telling me this will never happen, I know. There's nothing left for me to say or do on the issue. Just keep on hoisting the same flag that has never won a battle, keep rallying the troops with the same old vision of grandeur that's always just out of reach. Any day now, we're almost there.
:roll:
Jakeordie seems to have the leverage in this argument.
Mudhut Jollyrancher
15.04.2009, 21:10
Jakeordie seems to have the leverage in this argument.
Jakeordie seems to have the leverage in this argument.
why should skateboarding not be used as an example? In a perfect world that's where I'd like to see rollerblading.
There's a good reason why it shouldn't always be used as the only example.....but you don't care. You want what skateboarding culture has to offer, but you'd rather be on rollerblades than on a skateboard. It makes no difference to you what flatland bmxers or boogie boarders or freeskiers are doing, because you don't wanna be like them.....you wanna be like skateboarders.
This sums up why so few people choose to start rollerblading, and why there's no light at the end of the tunnel. Rollerblading's identity is still dependent on skateboarding, so newcomers either choose skateboarding OR they choose to be a skateboarder on rollerblades like you. It's been this way for 15 years, and we've been losing for most of them.....but you don't care.
Can you still not see it? The identity our industry sells to rollerbladers is a cheap knock-off, it's fake. No matter how much you polish a Folex, it'll never stand up to the real thing. Rollerblading has so much potential, if only we would lose the chip on our shoulder and just go our own way.....but you don't want that.
Don't bother telling me this will never happen, I know. There's nothing left for me to say or do on the issue. Just keep on hoisting the same flag that has never won a battle, keep rallying the troops with the same old vision of grandeur that's always just out of reach. Any day now, we're almost there.
:roll:Why wouldn't you strive for what they have? They're the cream of the action sports industry crop. The top dog. MONEY, what we don't have. I dunno about you but I'd love to see chris haffey on cribs.
So how exactly do you think it should be? No matter what it breaks down to being a successful action sports industry with the ultimate goal of being compensated appropriately in terms of dollars.
I don't get how I'm a "skateboarder on rollerblades", I'm just a person who thinks we deserve the good life for what we do in terms of entertainment. So if you're against our boys getting compensated appropriately then I guess we don't see eye to eye. I honestly don't see where your argument is going.
So enlighten me, please.
Also don't tell me I'm hanging on to old dreams, cause I clearly said earlier that appealing to the masses isn't within our grasp and we may as well at least be appealing to those that are still hanging on to rollerblading.
worst u all know shitThanks for contributing. You're a real key player.
Well yea ov im not, we just enjoying a bev and reading the FBI most wanted wile joking. Have a great easter what is left of it.
This isnt gonna make 50+ like kelso
p01sOn IV
15.04.2009, 22:04
Dear Nick,
First of all we are very disappointed that you feel that you need to air your grievances publicly on a social network site for everyone to view despite giving you the opportunity to contact us and deal with the matter privately. It is important to note that we have never felt the need to publicly discuss this issue. However, we believe that it is time that we released a public statement explaining the reason for your temporary exclusion.
After you were rejected from the skatepark in March and you texted Ian as to why this was the case we respectfully tried to call you to explain why. We left you a voicemail requesting that you call us back so that we could reiterate the reason for your ban.
Last year you verbally agreed to do a coaching clinic at Rampworx with Rob Pruett, Steve Swain and Pete Dearden. Having won Slamm Jamm you received a cheque for £3500 and then proceeded to attempt to cash your cheque at a specialist cash cheque centre. In order for you to do this you needed to contact Ian (Robinson – Project Manager) to verify that the cheque was yours before they (the specialist cheque cashing centre) would cash the cheque. Ian raised concerns with you at this point because of your new found wealth that you not turn up for the clinic that you were to be paid (well) for… you said and Ian quotes “that it wont happen, I will be there, honest! I will not let you down”.
Unfortunately, after winning the prize pot at Slam Jam 10 you left the country without informing anyone at Rampworx, or Adam Kola your Powerslide representative. This was hugely disappointing for not only the organisation and the rollerblading industry, but also the young people who view you as a significant roll model and for the parents who had invested time and money in bringing their children; particularly those from as far as Cardiff, Ipswich, Coventry and Newcastle. Therefore, you can appreciate our frustration and embarrassment at having to explain to the parents, youth bodies and sponsors that you were unavailable. It is also important to note that your sponsors and teammates were hugely disappointed and embarrassed by your behaviour and lack of professionalism. We have yet to receive an apology from you for this incident and, as yet, have not contacted the Project Manager, Ian Robinson, to discuss your issues with him. To this end we must confirm that you are still banned from the skatepark and as such will not be eligible to compete at the CHAZ SANDS INVITATIONAL ON THE 30th May 2009.
As regards the footage of you at Rampworx we must remind you that any footage filmed at Rampworx and used as edits is the intellectual property of the organisation. If, however, you wish to purchase the rights to this then please contact Ian Robinson on 0151 666 2224.
I hope this statement clears any confusion, misinterpretation, or misinformation that may be circulating about your current ban at Rampworx.
Regards
Rampworx
- This is the lamest part about bringing business professionals and investors into blading. You act like a skater and they bust out some policies and procedures horse shit. You guys should move the chaz sands comp to another park.
So to act like a skater you must ignore your responsibilities and obligations?
Pretty much you fucking Vagina.
Hahaha. Kevin Dowling for pres.
If Lomax no-called no-showed, that would have been an issue. He got a sub to cover the clinic. Had he left some schwagg to give away that may or may not have been appreciated. Good for him for covering his bases. Might have sucked a bit for the kids, but they still learned something from someone who rips at skating.
Back to the $ deal. Shaun White, has a lambo, actually two, he wrapped the first one around a tree. His image seems to be positive and is selling as much product to guys that go big as to regular folks that just like to carve.
Crazy antics sell videos and gain notoriety. Watch "Vallely's Greatest Hits" and he had some altercations at contests, but also sends a really positive vibe to kids at demos and such.
DemetriuSTL
15.04.2009, 22:31
why should skateboarding not be used as an example? In a perfect world that's where I'd like to see rollerblading.
There's a good reason why it shouldn't always be used as the only example.....but you don't care. You want what skateboarding culture has to offer, but you'd rather be on rollerblades than on a skateboard. It makes no difference to you what flatland bmxers or boogie boarders or freeskiers are doing, because you don't wanna be like them.....you wanna be like skateboarders.
This sums up why so few people choose to start rollerblading, and why there's no light at the end of the tunnel. Rollerblading's identity is still dependent on skateboarding, so newcomers either choose skateboarding OR they choose to be a skateboarder on rollerblades like you. It's been this way for 15 years, and we've been losing for most of them.....but you don't care.
Can you still not see it? The identity our industry sells to rollerbladers is a cheap knock-off, it's fake. No matter how much you polish a Folex, it'll never stand up to the real thing. Rollerblading has so much potential, if only we would lose the chip on our shoulder and just go our own way.....but you don't want that.
Don't bother telling me this will never happen, I know. There's nothing left for me to say or do on the issue. Just keep on hoisting the same flag that has never won a battle, keep rallying the troops with the same old vision of grandeur that's always just out of reach. Any day now, we're almost there.
:roll:Why wouldn't you strive for what they have? They're the cream of the action sports industry crop. The top dog. MONEY, what we don't have. I dunno about you but I'd love to see chris haffey on cribs.
So how exactly do you think it should be? No matter what it breaks down to being a successful action sports industry with the ultimate goal of being compensated appropriately in terms of dollars.
I don't get how I'm a "skateboarder on rollerblades", I'm just a person who thinks we deserve the good life for what we do in terms of entertainment. So if you're against our boys getting compensated appropriately then I guess we don't see eye to eye. I honestly don't see where your argument is going.
So enlighten me, please.
Also don't tell me I'm hanging on to old dreams, cause I clearly said earlier that appealing to the masses isn't within our grasp and we may as well at least be appealing to those that are still hanging on to rollerblading.
I completely agree with rotgut.
KingDirty
15.04.2009, 22:48
why should skateboarding not be used as an example? In a perfect world that's where I'd like to see rollerblading.
There's a good reason why it shouldn't always be used as the only example.....but you don't care. You want what skateboarding culture has to offer, but you'd rather be on rollerblades than on a skateboard. It makes no difference to you what flatland bmxers or boogie boarders or freeskiers are doing, because you don't wanna be like them.....you wanna be like skateboarders.
This sums up why so few people choose to start rollerblading, and why there's no light at the end of the tunnel. Rollerblading's identity is still dependent on skateboarding, so newcomers either choose skateboarding OR they choose to be a skateboarder on rollerblades like you. It's been this way for 15 years, and we've been losing for most of them.....but you don't care.
Can you still not see it? The identity our industry sells to rollerbladers is a cheap knock-off, it's fake. No matter how much you polish a Folex, it'll never stand up to the real thing. Rollerblading has so much potential, if only we would lose the chip on our shoulder and just go our own way.....but you don't want that.
Don't bother telling me this will never happen, I know. There's nothing left for me to say or do on the issue. Just keep on hoisting the same flag that has never won a battle, keep rallying the troops with the same old vision of grandeur that's always just out of reach. Any day now, we're almost there.
:roll:Why wouldn't you strive for what they have? They're the cream of the action sports industry crop. The top dog. MONEY, what we don't have. I dunno about you but I'd love to see chris haffey on cribs.
So how exactly do you think it should be? No matter what it breaks down to being a successful action sports industry with the ultimate goal of being compensated appropriately in terms of dollars.
I don't get how I'm a "skateboarder on rollerblades", I'm just a person who thinks we deserve the good life for what we do in terms of entertainment. So if you're against our boys getting compensated appropriately then I guess we don't see eye to eye. I honestly don't see where your argument is going.
So enlighten me, please.
Also don't tell me I'm hanging on to old dreams, cause I clearly said earlier that appealing to the masses isn't within our grasp and we may as well at least be appealing to those that are still hanging on to rollerblading.
I completely agree with rotgut.
I think that rollerblading does need to develop it's own identity before even attempting to "go big", or we'll always be typecast into the role of "skateboard followers". Whether to develop that by trying to be complete badasses or trying be good rolemodels, time will tell. I personally think that if we go fuck it and don't care, we'll still be labelled as skateboarders who also "dont care" and will still be following.
CurbedMyEnthusiasm
16.04.2009, 02:44
Rotgut KNOWS what's up!!!!!!!!
jakeordie
16.04.2009, 03:13
Why wouldn't you strive for what they have? They're the cream of the action sports industry crop. The top dog. MONEY, what we don't have. I dunno about you but I'd love to see chris haffey on cribs.
The problem isn't striving for what skateboarding has, the problem is getting it using their moves their playbook. And worse, the idea that we must defeat them to get it. That's Arlo's fight, not yours.....and for the record, he lost a long fucking time ago. In his own words, he walked out. Let it go man, it's holding us all back.
So how exactly do you think it should be? No matter what it breaks down to being a successful action sports industry with the ultimate goal of being compensated appropriately in terms of dollars.
I'll keep this short;
I'd like to see our industry represent more rollerbladers who take pride & confidence in their own individual identities. A couple companies are doing this already, but there's a long way to go. The goal is creating tricks & promoting styles that are unique to rollerblading.
I'd like to see more diversity in styles and a greater range of influences encouraged in rollerblading. We keep dividing, refining & concentrating the core.....then we wonder where the numbers went. Let the core take care of itself, and work more on welcoming & including skaters that don't follow the unwritten rules.
Both these ideas are not mine, and will require lots of boring unselfish work. We need to change our vision of what rollerblading can be in order to create a larger base of participants. Most action sports are built on such bases, even if the base practices a more generic form of the activity. In our case this would be the casual rec skaters that made rollerblading so popular in the early '90s.....but it isn't, because we were emancipated.
I don't get how I'm a "skateboarder on rollerblades", I'm just a person who thinks we deserve the good life for what we do in terms of entertainment. So if you're against our boys getting compensated appropriately then I guess we don't see eye to eye. I honestly don't see where your argument is going.
So enlighten me, please.
I make a big distinction between "rollerblading the activity" and "rollerblading the culture". There was a time when we didn't have much culture, and some believed lifting skateboarding's culture was better than nurturing our own. When this stolen identity went up for sale, some bought it & some didn't. In our community, you don't hear much about those who didn't.
I don't think we need to start again as far as the activity is concerned, but I think we need our own culture our own identity independent of skateboarding. Maybe you can't even imagine what that would look like. I'm not insulting you Matt, I'm just referring to where rollerblading was headed before Arlo's vision became the almighty gospel of rollerblading.
It's sad you think what I'm proposing will mean LESS money for professional rollerbladers (like things could possibly get worse than they are now). It's painful watching Chris Haffey compete these days, because I can see the potential he is pissing away in this dead-end culture. That guy could flat 540 the fountain at Caesar's Palace, instead he's ballet dancing on p-rails for busfare. I can't imagine why you wouldn't welcome any change.
Also don't tell me I'm hanging on to old dreams, cause I clearly said earlier that appealing to the masses isn't within our grasp and we may as well at least be appealing to those that are still hanging on to rollerblading.
I know for a fact this is total bullshit. Rollerblading doesn't care to appeal to the masses, because in order to do so we would need to quit following skateboarding's playbook and start making our own. There have always been skaters doing this, but they're not promoted because the industry is fixated on selling "the kids" this rockstar wannabe skateboarder fantasy that has no substance. How do you of all people not see this?
caisenma
16.04.2009, 04:28
his usds were shit.
Freddy White
16.04.2009, 04:45
i read all the posts
So what do you think about those legs ?
That's exactly what a young boy like you needs, a sweet lady's legs.
those legs were cracking.
couldn't see much ass though.
legs and ass shouldn't be mutually exclusive.
[quote=jakeordie] You get what you pay for. [/b]
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Just like Nick is considered a "PRO," so is a full time Mickey D's employee.
Pro=Professional=PROFESSION=Job
minimum wage salary =/= shit
Holmes, your logic astounds me.
I think Jakeordie is laying the smack-down right here.
dirt box
16.04.2009, 06:41
fuck rampworx
Why wouldn't you strive for what they have? They're the cream of the action sports industry crop. The top dog. MONEY, what we don't have. I dunno about you but I'd love to see chris haffey on cribs.
The problem isn't striving for what skateboarding has, the problem is getting it using their moves their playbook. And worse, the idea that we must defeat them to get it. That's Arlo's fight, not yours.....and for the record, he lost a long fucking time ago. In his own words, he walked out. Let it go man, it's holding us all back.
So how exactly do you think it should be? No matter what it breaks down to being a successful action sports industry with the ultimate goal of being compensated appropriately in terms of dollars.
I'll keep this short;
I'd like to see our industry represent more rollerbladers who take pride & confidence in their own individual identities. A couple companies are doing this already, but there's a long way to go. The goal is creating tricks & promoting styles that are unique to rollerblading.
I'd like to see more diversity in styles and a greater range of influences encouraged in rollerblading. We keep dividing, refining & concentrating the core.....then we wonder where the numbers went. Let the core take care of itself, and work more on welcoming & including skaters that don't follow the unwritten rules.
Both these ideas are not mine, and will require lots of boring unselfish work. We need to change our vision of what rollerblading can be in order to create a larger base of participants. Most action sports are built on such bases, even if the base practices a more generic form of the activity. In our case this would be the casual rec skaters that made rollerblading so popular in the early '90s.....but it isn't, because we were emancipated.
I don't get how I'm a "skateboarder on rollerblades", I'm just a person who thinks we deserve the good life for what we do in terms of entertainment. So if you're against our boys getting compensated appropriately then I guess we don't see eye to eye. I honestly don't see where your argument is going.
So enlighten me, please.
I make a big distinction between "rollerblading the activity" and "rollerblading the culture". There was a time when we didn't have much culture, and some believed lifting skateboarding's culture was better than nurturing our own. When this stolen identity went up for sale, some bought it & some didn't. In our community, you don't hear much about those who didn't.
I don't think we need to start again as far as the activity is concerned, but I think we need our own culture our own identity independent of skateboarding. Maybe you can't even imagine what that would look like. I'm not insulting you Matt, I'm just referring to where rollerblading was headed before Arlo's vision became the almighty gospel of rollerblading.
It's sad you think what I'm proposing will mean LESS money for professional rollerbladers (like things could possibly get worse than they are now). It's painful watching Chris Haffey compete these days, because I can see the potential he is pissing away in this dead-end culture. That guy could flat 540 the fountain at Caesar's Palace, instead he's ballet dancing on p-rails for busfare. I can't imagine why you wouldn't welcome any change.
Also don't tell me I'm hanging on to old dreams, cause I clearly said earlier that appealing to the masses isn't within our grasp and we may as well at least be appealing to those that are still hanging on to rollerblading.
I know for a fact this is total bullshit. Rollerblading doesn't care to appeal to the masses, because in order to do so we would need to quit following skateboarding's playbook and start making our own. There have always been skaters doing this, but they're not promoted because the industry is fixated on selling "the kids" this rockstar wannabe skateboarder fantasy that has no substance. How do you of all people not see this?
we would need to quit following skateboarding's playbook and start making our own.
how exactly would you do it?
Harry Maynard
16.04.2009, 08:54
I'm glad he screwed over Rampworx, all the staff are fucking cunts.
mike99mccarthy
16.04.2009, 09:11
My bad.....modeling ourselves based on what skateboarders do has worked like a charm for the last 15 years, hasn't it? Rollerblading doesn't care what appeals to the masses, we've been taught that doing so is lame and gay. In the big picture, what Champion did cost rollerblading more than you & others like you put in.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what FP did and skating has never looked better.....but your argument is flawed, you're beating a dead horse. I'm amazed skaters with your age & experience still can't see this.
It's not modeling ourselves after anything, we're clearly our own entity now. But you're trying to say that actually having some personality will reflect so negatively and blah blah blah fuck it up to the outside masses. Ask ANY child to name a pro skater and I be Bam Margera is the first person he'll think of. The same guy who shoves beer bongs up his buddies ass, the same one that drives a lamborgini.
Beating a dead horse is what we've been doing since all the corporate sponsors left! Moving along with our heads down and our hands at our sides. Quiet and orderly. THAT is what's killing us. Outsiders look at us and see no life in the sport. Just a bunch of boring ass 'fruitbooters'.
Your perspective on this is way too narrow, too focused on flawed principles.....you can't see that these principles are the root cause of the problem. Are you honestly saying that our behaviour AFTER corporate sponsors pulled out is the reason they did so?
You say we are our own entity, while implying that what works for Bam Margera can & will work for us. I can understand Arlo and others in similar positions believing this in '94. But I can't understand anyone believing it today, after watching the complete & utter failure of this belief and the devastating effect it has had on all things rollerblading for the past 15 years. Had we owned the companies we represented, maybe things would've worked out different.....maybe not.
Try using examples other than skateboarding to justify your argument, and we'll see how things change.
TUPAC, DENNIS RODMAN, MOTLEY CURE, DALE EARHARDT JR(as badboy as a nascar driver can be lol), ALF, KIRK CAMERON, ICP, MARILYN MANSON, JAMES DEAN, RICK MORANIS(badboy of canada)........
Bassimastprime
16.04.2009, 09:33
Sorry Matt (and all pro rollerbladers, and the industry heads), I don't mind where we're at right now. I'd prefer to stay off MTV (though I wouldn't mind more money coming into the industry). It's just really hard for me to respect skateboarding in these times. I think they have a great history (at least a more interesting one than rollerblading), but I really would prefer to not see a rollerblader crying on a reality show for the world to laugh at, but as you said, it's not going to happen. Rollerblading is fucked for quite some time.
Guest!mator
16.04.2009, 09:41
i really don't care about being an individual when it comes to getting my mortgage paid. also, just like old men that have such violent positions on abortions, i feel that is analogous to how much skaters on here that suck at rollerblading feel compelled to say we need to keep our dignity and just stay underground....what!?
Bassimastprime
16.04.2009, 09:42
Rollerblading is fucked, end of story. :arrow:
walktheplank
16.04.2009, 09:45
I'm glad he screwed over Rampworx, all the staff are fucking cunts.
GrantMajor
16.04.2009, 10:23
I'm glad he screwed over Rampworx, all the staff are fucking cunts.
Charlie Hustles
16.04.2009, 10:59
Rotgut = We need to be baddasses to get that Tony Hawk money. (I agree with you more.)
jakeordie = We must assimilate and keep up a clean-cut and professional image to get that Tony Hawk money.
Do you both not realize that someone has to actually be Tony Hawk to get that money? Somebody has to be Ryan Sheckler to get that Proactive money? Who the fuck wants people like that representing them? Do you not see that skateboarding is nothing worth striving to be? Do you also not see that money and mainstream fame are always the demise of any real "culture" that anything has? Just love what you do and sell drugs if you need to be rich. Keep rolling dope.
Rotgut = We need to be baddasses to get that Tony Hawk money. (I agree with you more.)
jakeordie = We must assimilate and keep up a clean-cut and professional image to get that Tony Hawk money.
Do you both not realize that someone has to actually be Tony Hawk to get that money? Somebody has to be Ryan Sheckler to get that Proactive money? Who the fuck wants people like that representing them? Do you not see that skateboarding is nothing worth striving to be? Do you also not see that money and mainstream fame are always the demise of any real "culture" that anything has? Just love what you do and sell drugs if you need to be rich. Keep rolling dope.
That was perhaps the smartest thing I've ever read from you, besides the drug part.
jakeordie
16.04.2009, 14:36
we would need to quit following skateboarding's playbook and start making our own.
how exactly would you do it?
The way you ask the question implies that one person has the power to rise up & save rollerblading, I don't think so. But what I would do to contribute is start a bank and loan money to start-up ventures in rollerblading. The bank's investors would be skaters & the loans would be interest free. The venture would supply the bank's investors with free product until the loan was repaid. I hope you can see the difference this would make in the context of my argument in this thread.
P.S. Your sig is ballin'.
Try using examples other than skateboarding to justify your argument, and we'll see how things change.
TUPAC, DENNIS RODMAN, MOTLEY CURE, DALE EARHARDT JR(as badboy as a nascar driver can be lol), ALF, KIRK CAMERON, ICP, MARILYN MANSON, JAMES DEAN, RICK MORANIS(badboy of canada)........
These "badboyz" were all supported by a large base of participants, and make up a small percentage of the representatives of their respective cultures. The culture grows off the hard work of the base, despite the destructive behaviour of random individuals you think are cool.....unless the random individuals appoint themselves into power, as was the case in rollerblading in the late '90s.
jakeordie = We must assimilate and keep up a clean-cut and professional image to get that Tony Hawk money.
Do you both not realize that someone has to actually be Tony Hawk to get that money?
Don't try and sum up my position in your words. I'm saying we need to UN-assimilate, we need to individuate and diversify. We need to make our own money instead of hustling to get some skateboarder''s money. Both yours & Matt's positions are dependent on skateboarding culture, he's for & you're against. My position is independence, with no respect to what skateboarding is or isn't doing.
Don't misunderstand me about FP, I get what you guys are saying. We need guys like the FP crew to be badasses in Joe Navran's videos for our entertainment. But we made the mistake of appointing these guys as the sole role models of our culture. People inside our community know the deal, but this style is not appreciated or tolerated by those outside. Yeah, skateboarding's doing it.....but we all know they're selling out what real skateboarding is, they're cashing in on decades of hard work & digging their own grave in the process.
The best example I can give is Aaron Feinberg's speech when he won the X-games or some big ASA event. The announcer is asking the standard questions, how does it feel to win the X-games or whatever. And Aaron said something like "I don't give a fuck, I just skate". From the perspective of the adults who worked hard to make the event possible, and the parents of rollerbladers watching at home, this was an epic fail for rollerblading.
You might not care about their opinion, but understand that the work required to make our money is done by them. Can you see the difference between MAKING money and GETTING money? Without people working to make money in our community, there's none for pro rollerbladers to get.
Bassimastprime
16.04.2009, 14:56
Rotgut = We need to be baddasses to get that Tony Hawk money. (I agree with you more.)
jakeordie = We must assimilate and keep up a clean-cut and professional image to get that Tony Hawk money.
Do you both not realize that someone has to actually be Tony Hawk to get that money? Somebody has to be Ryan Sheckler to get that Proactive money? Who the fuck wants people like that representing them? Do you not see that skateboarding is nothing worth striving to be? Do you also not see that money and mainstream fame are always the demise of any real "culture" that anything has? Just love what you do and sell drugs if you need to be rich. Keep rolling dope.
<3
Charlie Hustles
16.04.2009, 17:54
I never heard of that Aaron Fienberg incident, but . . .
I would have to say that is probably the most epic thing that has ever happened in rollerblading. I salute him.
God hates FRSH
16.04.2009, 17:58
Just love what you do and sell drugs if you need to be rich.
ScribeInd
16.04.2009, 18:14
Sorry but there has to be some type of formality, regulations, and politics in our sport or things will keep going on a low-key pace its been going for many years. The more you act like this should be cool to be underground, or "fuck the system" your just hurting yourself in the long-run and your hurting the future of rollerblading.
A main reason it's been so hard to crack out of our shell is because the outside views us as immature and not structured enough. We just started to show structure and conformity for an industry as a whole, and if we sway now, we are just pushing ourselves down and out - more and more.
Bad attitudes, and going against the grain isn't going to bring anything positive to rollerblading. Granted outside investors that have absolutely no idea about the industry should stay back and work on what they got into "the finances" of whatever they are coming into, keep the skate related work and organization to the rollerbladers that are dedicated and know what is up.
I never heard of that Aaron Fienberg incident, but . . .
I would have to say that is probably the most epic thing that has ever happened in rollerblading. I salute him.
jakeordie
16.04.2009, 19:57
Sorry but there has to be some type of formality, regulations, and politics in our sport or things will keep going on a low-key pace its been going for many years. The more you act like this should be cool to be underground, or "fuck the system" your just hurting yourself in the long-run and your hurting the future of rollerblading. Bad attitudes, and going against the grain isn't going to bring anything positive to rollerblading.
I don't see why it needs to be one or the other. Put the clean-cut athlete types on ESPN and the badass style crews in videos, let them complement each other & make skating as a whole stronger. There's no purpose in promoting one over the other, let's represent skating in as many different ways as possible.
There were a couple of years where we almost had both the "athletic park" style of skating and the "badass street" style of skating complimenting each other equally... Then I'm not sure what happened(a lot of things i'm sure) and it leaned way too far towards the street side of things.
Why was the loop never on the cover of Daily Bread? Why did so many amazing ASA athletes just vanish or feel pressure to adapt to doing street skating? Why did this whole park rat = not a "real" skater attitude happen?
JakeorDie has a lot of really great points. It's very refreshing actually.
denial06
17.04.2009, 14:48
jake i wish you had the funds to do some things in the ind. got the right idea. keep dropping knowledge on the board.
blackgold
17.04.2009, 15:05
As I grew up EVERYONE wanted to be FP, not cause they were your best friends and the politest dudes out there. It was because they acted above it all. It was more something to strive to be as a kid, to be so tight that you were on a whole other level.
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rollerbreaker003
17.04.2009, 15:17
Jake ordie really summed that up well.
There were a couple of years where we almost had both the "athletic park" style of skating and the "badass street" style of skating complimenting each other equally... Then I'm not sure what happened(a lot of things i'm sure) and it leaned way too far towards the street side of things.
Why was the loop never on the cover of Daily Bread? Why did so many amazing ASA athletes just vanish or feel pressure to adapt to doing street skating? Why did this whole park rat = not a "real" skater attitude happen?
JakeorDie has a lot of really great points. It's very refreshing actually.
FUCKING AMEN
Rollerblading needs more lulz'
nuff said.
Did we save the industry yet?
Did we save the industry yet?
Call MTV and ask them.
we would need to quit following skateboarding's playbook and start making our own.
how exactly would you do it?
The way you ask the question implies that one person has the power to rise up & save rollerblading, I don't think so. But what I would do to contribute is start a bank and loan money to start-up ventures in rollerblading. The bank's investors would be skaters & the loans would be interest free. The venture would supply the bank's investors with free product until the loan was repaid. I hope you can see the difference this would make in the context of my argument in this thread.
P.S. Your sig is ballin'.
Try using examples other than skateboarding to justify your argument, and we'll see how things change.
TUPAC, DENNIS RODMAN, MOTLEY CURE, DALE EARHARDT JR(as badboy as a nascar driver can be lol), ALF, KIRK CAMERON, ICP, MARILYN MANSON, JAMES DEAN, RICK MORANIS(badboy of canada)........
These "badboyz" were all supported by a large base of participants, and make up a small percentage of the representatives of their respective cultures. The culture grows off the hard work of the base, despite the destructive behaviour of random individuals you think are cool.....unless the random individuals appoint themselves into power, as was the case in rollerblading in the late '90s.
jakeordie = We must assimilate and keep up a clean-cut and professional image to get that Tony Hawk money.
Do you both not realize that someone has to actually be Tony Hawk to get that money?
Don't try and sum up my position in your words. I'm saying we need to UN-assimilate, we need to individuate and diversify. We need to make our own money instead of hustling to get some skateboarder''s money. Both yours & Matt's positions are dependent on skateboarding culture, he's for & you're against. My position is independence, with no respect to what skateboarding is or isn't doing.
Don't misunderstand me about FP, I get what you guys are saying. We need guys like the FP crew to be badasses in Joe Navran's videos for our entertainment. But we made the mistake of appointing these guys as the sole role models of our culture. People inside our community know the deal, but this style is not appreciated or tolerated by those outside. Yeah, skateboarding's doing it.....but we all know they're selling out what real skateboarding is, they're cashing in on decades of hard work & digging their own grave in the process.
The best example I can give is Aaron Feinberg's speech when he won the X-games or some big ASA event. The announcer is asking the standard questions, how does it feel to win the X-games or whatever. And Aaron said something like "I don't give a fuck, I just skate". From the perspective of the adults who worked hard to make the event possible, and the parents of rollerbladers watching at home, this was an epic fail for rollerblading.
You might not care about their opinion, but understand that the work required to make our money is done by them. Can you see the difference between MAKING money and GETTING money? Without people working to make money in our community, there's none for pro rollerbladers to get.
thanks man!
but i think yourself and rotgut both make valid points but the real problem is no one has that money to invest in the sport and i'm sure you know that. the people who have lots of money don't give a shit about rollerblading or are already putting every spare penny into it.
there is a lot of things that could probably be done to get numbers into blading again but fuck know what they are....
maybe we need a tony hawk "900" style trick, or a moto-x "backflip". something that'll get people outside of the sport talking then when that happens we strike hard and good!!!!!!
but when someone is doing 720 double backflips...what can you do ey?
jakeordie
17.04.2009, 20:24
There were a couple of years where we almost had both the "athletic park" style of skating and the "badass street" style of skating complimenting each other equally... Then I'm not sure what happened(a lot of things i'm sure) and it leaned way too far towards the street side of things.
Why was the loop never on the cover of Daily Bread? Why did so many amazing ASA athletes just vanish or feel pressure to adapt to doing street skating? Why did this whole park rat = not a "real" skater attitude happen?
I might be wrong, but here's a hypothetical example; Josh Petty is on England and gets a check for $250 a month. Matt Salerno is on Levi's and gets a check for $5,000 a month. The self-appointed Industry leaders want kids buying from Monarchy & Tribe, not Fila & Levi's. And they want kids to skate Petty style, not Salerno style. So they use their influence to put the "real" skaters in the spotlight.
I cringed when Bergeron and Jaren Grob were in street videos, nothing good came from it. I remember watching Louie Zamora from the bleachers at the X-games once, same thing. Let 'em do what they do best for the people who wanna see it, and the money will sort itself out. Kids who watch the X-games and buy Roces will end up buying Fifty-50 frames and England gear before long.....but now that can't happen.
the real problem is no one has that money to invest in the sport and i'm sure you know that. the people who have lots of money don't give a shit about rollerblading or are already putting every spare penny into it.
there is a lot of things that could probably be done to get numbers into blading again but fuck know what they are....
Let's use Richie Velasquez & Julian Bah as an example;
Richie would manage a demo team and travel from school to school. This MAKES money for rollerblading, and probably 80% of it for RB. Replace him with Julian Bah, shit goes down. And not just for RB and Tom Hyser and the rest of the team, but the whole industry 'cos the school kids are now watching scooter demos or some shit.
I know Richie ain't got game like Julian does or did or whatever, but our pros are so focused on lacing shit and being gangster and getting money that the real work isn't being done. We can make our own money, but it requires doing stuff that most of us aren't willing to do.
Oh gosh....I don't even know who Nick Lomax is.
ercaderk
18.04.2009, 01:41
The root of skateboarding culture is pretty much synonomous with
"cool to be uncool," almost the opposite of what rollerblading is doing now. Skateboarding didn't become what it is today because its original participants had some kind of marketing scheme to push it to the top. It grew a huge following before businesspeople started realizing that they could make money off of it. Rollerbladers think they can cash in on the little resources we have right now and get the same result by mimicking the modern skateboarding industry. We are chasing the money, instead of it coming to us.
The "badass" celebrities mentioned tapped into a subculture that already existed and was known to be profitable. It wasn't skateboarding that was impressive to the public in the first place, it was the people who knew they could make it impressive, and thus make money from it.
In conclusion, rollerbladers aren't supposed to be, and in no way should be expected to be "professional." They should be able to act like rockstars if they please, and let people whose job is to advertise their abilities worry about business. I'm not saying that pros shouldn't be nice to kids and skate well at demos and comps, only that their number one interest should be to be a pro rollerblader.
mike99mccarthy
19.04.2009, 03:20
I wish I had a Pro realm skate in miami dolphins colors...one day lol 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Bassimastprime
19.04.2009, 03:21
I kan't be serious. :(
The root of skateboarding culture is pretty much synonomous with
"cool to be uncool," almost the opposite of what rollerblading is doing now. Skateboarding didn't become what it is today because its original participants had some kind of marketing scheme to push it to the top. It grew a huge following before businesspeople started realizing that they could make money off of it. Rollerbladers think they can cash in on the little resources we have right now and get the same result by mimicking the modern skateboarding industry. We are chasing the money, instead of it coming to us.
The "badass" celebrities mentioned tapped into a subculture that already existed and was known to be profitable. It wasn't skateboarding that was impressive to the public in the first place, it was the people who knew they could make it impressive, and thus make money from it.
In conclusion, rollerbladers aren't supposed to be, and in no way should be expected to be "professional." They should be able to act like rockstars if they please, and let people whose job is to advertise their abilities worry about business. I'm not saying that pros shouldn't be nice to kids and skate well at demos and comps, only that their number one interest should be to be a pro rollerblader.
I have to disagree with you based on some empirical evidence I have seen in both industries, but any errors you made were not for lack of thinking, so i applaud that.
The skateboarding (like surfing and snowboarding) industry is a beneficiary of age, not so much from the following it has been able to build over the years, but because of real skaters going out into the world, learning business (and professionalism) and applying their "real world" experience and skills to our industry. Age is not mutual exclusive with this phenomena either as the 2 best examples that come to mind are Adam Johnson and Arlo. Both think in real world business terms and concepts and both are here for the long hall and contributing.
As more of us get educated and gain experience in other ventures and return, the more rollerblading will benefit.
As for professionalism, circa 97-99 some of there major corporations that threw a ton of money at rollerblading and were sit on by pro rollerbladers would include Casio, the Gap, Tommy Hilfiger, and Nike just to name a few.
There is a fundamental conflict we're facing here in terms of understanding the end we're trying to reach, something that really can't be controlled for or imposed on a large scale.
There's a lot of talk about what "should" be done in this thread, but people are approaching it from opposite sides of the ideological spectrum regarding what the goal is, while all assuming that there is some consensus within "the industry" regarding that end, and that our salvation day will come whenever we all figure out what the most efficient way to reach it is :
What I mean is that rollerblading in itself is nothing but the act of skating around and doing tricks. The industry is the collection of people who are involved in the buying, selling, and opining about rollerblading products. Any given person can come into contact with this industry in a nearly limitless number of ways, here are some (not an exhaustive list) examples none of which are mutually exclusive:
1. People who are interested in getting paid to skate. Rollerblading is a risky sport, and the top professionals are doing really unbelievable things athletically and aesthetically on par with the things that other athletes in other industries (action sports being the closest and most referenced comparison, but any sport will do) do for millions of dollars. While they are, like someone said, skating for bus-fare. To these people, what they want from "the industry" is financial stability.
2.People who are interested in maintaining a unified image. Whatever cool is to them, whether it be Sugar Ray frosted tips cargo pants, Charles Dunkle cutting his face open and throwing up on inflatable fuckdolls or Dipskate keeping it street, that is what they want the industry to be like, that is the image they want to promote, and anyone who doesn't have that image isn't "cool."
3. People who are just into the act of skating, that is why they skate. They want to see quality products and are inspired by difficult and innovative skating.
4. The companies selling rollerblading products. These companies, whether skater owned or not, are interested in selling products. Certain companies would rather remain underground than sell out, but the basic goal is to sell products to a constituency of consumers. In order to do so, they have to appeal to what that constituency wants to see.
5. External Investors. These companies/individuals seek to tap into something about the image of skating to sell their products or otherwise make money through viewership etc. Some of these interests want wholesome clean cut backflipers, some of these companies want a gritty alternative image, and some want all their skaters to also be rappers.
There is almost always overlap and conflict between these interests, which generates the problems we hear about every fucking day on this messageboard. Companies, especially those with skaters and former skaters high up, are torn between making money and catering to certain loved but unprofitable professionals that they have on their team, professionals are torn between keeping it real, and grinding tampons on tv for money (sayor danforth quote I think) etc. etc.
The infinite conflicting interests make it impossible for our industry to move forward in any single unified direction. While Moya and tons of other people want to see badass shit, there are also those out there who cringe whenever aaron feinberg tells the public to smoke his cock (hypothetical example) because they fear for their own interests, an image that doesn't involve telling people to smoke any cocks.
In the end I think this is the only answer, and jake or die said it best
I might be wrong, but here's a hypothetical example; Josh Petty is on England and gets a check for $250 a month. Matt Salerno is on Levi's and gets a check for $5,000 a month. The self-appointed Industry leaders want kids buying from Monarchy & Tribe, not Fila & Levi's. And they want kids to skate Petty style, not Salerno style. So they use their influence to put the "real" skaters in the spotlight.
I cringed when Bergeron and Jaren Grob were in street videos, nothing good came from it. I remember watching Louie Zamora from the bleachers at the X-games once, same thing. Let 'em do what they do best for the people who wanna see it, and the money will sort itself out. Kids who watch the X-games and buy Roces will end up buying Fifty-50 frames and England gear before long.....but now that can't happen.
so everyone do your thing and stop worrying about what other people are doing, grow, let grow and accept that "rollerblading" doesn't just refer to one solid image, it's unified only by the fact that we all have skates on our feet.
Charlie Hustles
19.04.2009, 13:34
^
Common knowledge.
yea, it's pretty simple stuff, but I think it tends to be overlooked.
EDIT
Charlie Hustles
19.04.2009, 13:46
Indeed.
So basically, just do what you do!
just nick being nick :roll:
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