Next Gen Fiziks Sketches?(Srsly!)

[joeymc]

Stumbled across this and it seems kind of interesting:

http://www.modsquadhockey.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=23334&st=2550

[joeymc]

Somebody has some explaining to do...

" I've been out of the category for years, but this will be a top, top company product, and it's four wheels on the ground they're wanting"

RB Suspension frame?

[Dielawn]

The initial sketch of those frames doesn't really indicate any shock absorption for impacts, transitions would be a dream on them though.

[joeymc]

I don't know enough about the technical aspects of frame design to see that. Although they may not be as badass as independent wheel suspension they look promising. Looks like they have some kind of a 60 56 56 60 design going for it too.

It looks like something that might actually be coming out soon... Those posts were made Jan 2009.

Let's get a big topic going on this one.

[Davengo]

I dont understand, from the sketches it looks like there's nothing securing the wheels into a position.

Are the wheels just kind of dangling inside the chasis? Like when you lift your foot do they go into claw shape like the kizer suspension but when you stride they go flat?

That is some bionicle type shit.

[joeymc]

And WHO is licensing these bad boys?

Gotta be RB.

[justinthursday]

was that sprungster guy tom h?

[Davengo]

Yeah that guy said something along the lines of "This is like my fiziks project with skatepile.com years back" or something.

THAT IS THE HYSER.

[justinthursday]

I dont understand, from the sketches it looks like there's nothing securing the wheels into a position.

Are the wheels just kind of dangling inside the chasis? Like when you lift your foot do they go into claw shape like the kizer suspension but when you stride they go flat?

That is some bionicle type shit.
i tlooks like it does exactly PLUS suspension
it's really hard to tell tho.
http://sprung-inline.com/images/skates/Caffeine-Aggro1.jpg

[joeymc]

NO.

Tom Hyser paid to use the Sprung technology for Fizkis. Fiziks was Tom's design using the Sprung technology. It was an expensive project because of this.

These protos we're looking at are from the Sprung dude but are obviously being developed by a company with some spare change... I would like to think it's Tom Hyser helping him design that frame. Maybe it's going to be a powerslide product because of the H-Block? ha ha ha...

The more I look at it... The more potential it has. Let's cross our fingers we can fit our face wheels on the outside ha ha.

JakeorDie. Can you contact this guy and help him with the design of the H-block/shoulder area?

[joeymc]

Can you imagine if we got a new Flat Suspenion frame that grinded well? YEEEEESS!

[toe-bee]

http://www.sprung-inline.com/

ps. i kinda hope this isn't for real.
pps. anyone want to buy some fiziks frames?

[zacharias]

OH god yes. H-block needs work...

[joeymc]

With our luck they are being made by powerslide and the h-block problem will be a staple of the rollerblading industry for years to come.

[jakeordie]

As far as I know, Tom Hyser is the man when it comes to bringing Keith's design into the "Aggressive" frame market. I really hope this is what Keith & Tom are referring to, having RB license the patents and make Fiziks II with their marketing & distribution power.....especially if the new design addresses the complaints some had for the first Fiziks. Look at this pic from the Sprung site;

http://www.sprung-inline.com/images/AAANewUnassem.jpg

You can see that the rocker arms are paired on two pivots and share two cushions, this means lighter cheaper and no grinding on the inner pivots. You can also see the first picture shows flat-rocker (NOT flat), allowing a bigger split and better clearance for the middle wheels with UFS. Don't worry about the groove, Keith's drawings won't have the final groove design because that's not his specialty.

If Hyser gets this done right with RB, I'll be very excited to skate 'em.

[justinthursday]

As far as I know, Tom Hyser is the man when it comes to bringing Keith's design into the "Aggressive" frame market. I really hope this is what Keith & Tom are referring to,
having RB license the patents and make Fiziks II with their marketing & distribution power.....especially if the new design addresses the complaints some had for the first Fiziks. Look at this pic from the Sprung site;

http://www.sprung-inline.com/images/AAANewUnassem.jpg

You can see that the rocker arms are paired on two pivots and share two cushions, this means lighter cheaper and no grinding on the inner pivots.
You can also see the first picture shows flat-rocker (NOT flat), allowing a bigger split and better clearance for the middle wheels with UFS.
Don't worry about the groove, Keith's drawings won't have the final groove design because that's not his specialty.

If Hyser gets this done right with RB, I'll be very excited to skate 'em.
looks sick but he did fuck up the groove on the switch frames..

[jakeordie]

Nah the Switch frame was a done deal by the time Tom started on at RB, supposedly Bruno Loewe was the man behind it.

[UnknownPleasures]

:shock:

[justinthursday]

Nah the Switch frame was a done deal by the time Tom started on at RB, supposedly Bruno Loewe was the man behind it.
ah. i dont know shit. lol
well he fucked up

[Alex Coe]

Nah the Switch frame was a done deal by the time Tom started on at RB, supposedly Bruno Loewe was the man behind it.
ah. i dont know shit. lol
well he fucked up

It was probably more like an engineer knowing nothing about aggressive skating being told to make something with Bruno's concept in mind. The switch frame has good ideas but they aren't tweaked correctly.

I really hope some suspension technology comes back to skating. It's logical progression.

[justinthursday]

Nah the Switch frame was a done deal by the time Tom started on at RB, supposedly Bruno Loewe was the man behind it.
ah. i dont know shit. lol
well he fucked up

It was probably more like an engineer knowing nothing about aggressive skating being told to make something with Bruno's concept in mind. The switch frame has good ideas but they aren't tweaked correctly.

I really hope some suspension technology comes back to skating. It's logical progression.
yea i agree
i loved hilo frames but wished they could have bigger wheels nd a shallower groove
which the switch frames had. but the groove was pretty bad and i couldnt get them to slide on topsides

[Freddy White]

If Hyser gets this done right with RB...

If I believe what the wise man once told me, it's gonna a RB frame.

[jakeordie]

If Hyser gets this done right with RB...
If I believe what the wise man once told me, it's gonna a RB frame.
Without hijacking the thread, I just wanna make a point of how retarded K2 are. Hyser brought the same deal to them more than a decade ago, K2 coulda pwnd so hard but :roll: :roll:

Now that Tom & RB are working together, shit is gonna get real interesting!

[joeymc]

1. I always fuck up with my flat and flat rocker term usage. Gotta start correcting that shit.

2. Yes K2 fucked up. Imagine if K2 would have produced Remedyz with suspension frames? Daydreaming about that gives my feet an orgasm.

3. Fiziks frames had the best roll feeling of any frame ever created. The grind pins and weight were awkward though. A lighter and better grinding frame could become the standard if executed well... Less switch frame and more suspension frame PLZ.

4. Whoever is ordering those old Fiziks frames from Landslide can you please let me buy the Black ones? Please?

5. I wonder when these bad boys are going to be released.

6. If Tom and RB were really smart they would find the company that Produced the Face wheels and have them come stock on the suspension frame,

7. I'm pretty excited about this.

[joeymc]

8. Did anyone see this coming?

9. I didn't.

[justinthursday]

As far as I know, Tom Hyser is the man when it comes to bringing Keith's design into the "Aggressive" frame market. I really hope this is what Keith & Tom are referring to, having RB license the patents and make Fiziks II with their marketing & distribution power.....especially if the new design addresses the complaints some had for the first Fiziks. Look at this pic from the Sprung site;

http://www.sprung-inline.com/images/AAANewUnassem.jpg

You can see that the rocker arms are paired on two pivots and share two cushions, this means lighter cheaper and no grinding on the inner pivots. You can also see the first picture shows flat-rocker (NOT flat), allowing a bigger split and better clearance for the middle wheels with UFS. Don't worry about the groove, Keith's drawings won't have the final groove design because that's not his specialty.

If Hyser gets this done right with RB, I'll be very excited to skate 'em.
the more i think about it the more perfect that design looks
i think it needs a litt tweeking but it seems so much more practical than fiziks.
seems like there would only be 2 pins rather than 8 amirite?
looks like it would be a little more annoying to get frames on and off but overall maintenance looks very simple

[justinthursday]

also, this might be petty and stupid but i dont want them to be RB frames
I want fiziks back :roll:

[jakeordie]

8. Did anyone see this coming?

9. I didn't.
When Tom was hired by RB, I was expecting his frame knowledge to wind up in RB frames pretty quick. But I was thinking Epoch more than Fiziks II. Even though there's been little things said here & there, I wasn't expecting a big corporate buy-in regarding Keith's royalties.

Maybe that's not happening.....maybe Tom is gonna do it himself under the Fiziks name. :?:

[justinthursday]

Tom is gonna do it himself under the Fiziks name. :?:

[joeymc]

Freddy reveal what you may or may not know.

[joeymc]

This is confusing to me. Would RB actually let Tom use the Fiziks name but fund the company? That just doesn't sound right to me. Maybe the switch frame and the new RB skates are just temporary... Maybe they are devoloping an uber-skate with a suspension frame? Because that frame would not work well on the new boot.

[jomu]

As far as I know, Tom Hyser is the man when it comes to bringing Keith's design into the "Aggressive" frame market. I really hope this is what Keith & Tom are referring to, having RB license the patents and make Fiziks II with their marketing & distribution power.....especially if the new design addresses the complaints some had for the first Fiziks. Look at this pic from the Sprung site;

http://www.sprung-inline.com/images/AAANewUnassem.jpg

You can see that the rocker arms are paired on two pivots and share two cushions, this means lighter cheaper and no grinding on the inner pivots. You can also see the first picture shows flat-rocker (NOT flat), allowing a bigger split and better clearance for the middle wheels with UFS. Don't worry about the groove, Keith's drawings won't have the final groove design because that's not his specialty.

If Hyser gets this done right with RB, I'll be very excited to skate 'em.
the more i think about it the more perfect that design looks
i think it needs a litt tweeking but it seems so much more practical than fiziks.
seems like there would only be 2 pins rather than 8 amirite?
looks like it would be a little more annoying to get frames on and off but overall maintenance looks very simple

i fail to see the possibility of suspension in this picture. looks to me more like a 4 wheel kizer 'suspension'/shock frame.

this design seems to be missing the precompression of the urethane column the original fiziks had.




Maybe that's not happening.....maybe Tom is gonna do it himself under the Fiziks name. :?:


One of our oldest friends is skatepile.com. Check out Fiziks suspension frames in the aggressive/free style category. We will be coming out with a new model in that category as well as a speed/marathon chassis early next year.

...from http://www.sprung-inline.com/links.htm

[portrait of a gentleman]

This is confusing to me. Would RB actually let Tom use the Fiziks name but fund the company? That just doesn't sound right to me. Maybe the switch frame and the new RB skates are just temporary... Maybe they are devoloping an uber-skate with a suspension frame? Because that frame would not work well on the new boot.

First off, I'm getting really excited by all the possibilities of this right now. I have a feeling it's going to be an RB produced product, and I agree, it seems like the aggressive product line that they have right now is all temporary. It all makes sense really; producing an aggressive skate out of essentially their fitness skate models with widebodies slapped on them, making a pretty cheap frame that tests out the possibilities of non-traditional wheel setups to use in (supposedly) their new frame design, AND cutting most of their team over the years. I mean really, think about it, they're cutting costs in any way they can to stockpile cash and possibly produce something insane, like these frames and maybe an awesome boot like nothing we've ever seen before. I might be getting ahead of myself here, but maybe my conspiraciez are correct (I hope).

[portrait of a gentleman]

As far as I know, Tom Hyser is the man when it comes to bringing Keith's design into the "Aggressive" frame market. I really hope this is what Keith & Tom are referring to, having RB license the patents and make Fiziks II with their marketing & distribution power.....especially if the new design addresses the complaints some had for the first Fiziks. Look at this pic from the Sprung site;

http://www.sprung-inline.com/images/AAANewUnassem.jpg

You can see that the rocker arms are paired on two pivots and share two cushions, this means lighter cheaper and no grinding on the inner pivots. You can also see the first picture shows flat-rocker (NOT flat), allowing a bigger split and better clearance for the middle wheels with UFS. Don't worry about the groove, Keith's drawings won't have the final groove design because that's not his specialty.

If Hyser gets this done right with RB, I'll be very excited to skate 'em.
the more i think about it the more perfect that design looks
i think it needs a litt tweeking but it seems so much more practical than fiziks.
seems like there would only be 2 pins rather than 8 amirite?
looks like it would be a little more annoying to get frames on and off but overall maintenance looks very simple

i fail to see the possibility of suspension in this picture. looks to me more like a 4 wheel kizer 'suspension'/shock frame.

this design seems to be missing the precompression of the urethane column the original fiziks had.




Maybe that's not happening.....maybe Tom is gonna do it himself under the Fiziks name. :?:


One of our oldest friends is skatepile.com. Check out Fiziks suspension frames in the aggressive/free style category. We will be coming out with a new model in that category as well as a speed/marathon chassis early next year.

...from http://www.sprung-inline.com/links.htm

Fuck. Maybe not my RB theory then. Unless RB has a hand in Sprung as well. IT'S ALL CONNECTED. :shock:

[joeymc]

I like this conspiraciez.

I've "supported" and "represented" enough over my 15 years of skating. If RB puts out a rad suspension frame on a newly designed boot... I don't care who they fired or what their history is... I'm going to skate that shit (and stockpile the frames in case of another Fiziks crash).

It really does make a lot of sense your conspiraciez.

[joeymc]

If you read what he says in the thread. It seems he is licensing the frame for a "Top, top company".

That would be rollerblade.

I wonder if Tom is going to find this thread?

[jomu]

http://www.sprung-inline.com/images/AAANewUnassem.jpg


looks to me like a 4 wheel kizer 'suspension'/shock frame.







The distance from the floor to the bottom of the boot with our frame is a little taller than standard without weight on it. When you stand in it, it drops down to the average in the industry. When you push off or your weight shifts front to rear, the frame lowers toward the floor accordingly.

When you're on it, you're inside the suspension. All four wheels are pushing down, looking for the floor.

guess they are just 4 down kizer shock frames.

they use body weight as the precompression. :?


Here is the original fiziks promo video/manual

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI8UKb72pRA

[Freddy White]

Freddy reveal what you may or may not know.

I wasn't trying to sound all mysterious, I just talked a bit with Tom Hyser at BCSD '08 and thanked him for the whole Fiziks frames thing. When I complained about the lack of frames available, he told me to watch out for RB products in the future.

Well, thanks to you for looking out. I guess the future is now !

[joeymc]

That's some good news then... I wonder how far away that future is?

Would that design ride a lot different than the old design? Would anything be compromised in terms of the feel of the suspension?

Also, Freddy... I know it's you buying those frames from Landslide... Isn't it? Let me have the black ones!

[Alex Coe]

That's some good news then... I wonder how far away that future is?

I don't want you to get hurt. There are no good skating parts coming out, ever. This is "rollerblading." Things don't happen in "rollerblading."

I still have 5 issues of Daily Bread coming my way, though. I'm super excited!

[jomu]

here is the original "sprung" patent (http://www.google.com/patents?id=Zw8NAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA5&dq=suspension+inline&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1_1#PPA15,M1).

page 15 shows the design for the fizik frame. two pins per wheel

page 16 looks more like the updated design.

it includes two pins per each two wheels. firstly the pivot pin and secondly the stop pin, which enables precompression of the spring/urethane

[millet]

I would pay up for new suspension frames. My fiziks seem to hold my wheels too tight to spin well and I lost the custom frame bolts. By the way does anyone have any frame bolts for them? I'll buy. My Kizer suspensions hung up on grinds due to the arm shape and I wish Kizer's plastic slid better.

[zacharias]

Original Sprung Frames...and a bunch of other relics


http://www.mindgame.50megs.com/ (Click Weird Skates)

[Freddy White]

Also, Freddy... I know it's you buying those frames from Landslide... Isn't it? Let me have the black ones!

Ah ah it's not me, you know I would let you get away with the black frames, I've got two pair of these already !

Best of luck ! But maybe that's not the best moment to invest in some frames, since the future seems to be coming our way early this year !

PS : Tobias, I'll buy your frames from you ah ah !!!

[joeymc]

Early this year you say? I would love to think so... But my gut is telling me that Santa may not even be able to bring them to me.

Unless they are going to announce it and have product in the shops a week or two after they announce it... Yeah right!