View Full Version : Fear is the product to push
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KBZMS_yRJg&feature=player_embedded
Absolutely fucking disgusting.
Alex Coe
30.11.2010, 18:39
I'm not convinced of any credibility.
I can't believe that even after 9 years, there are tons of Americans who are so fucking stupid that they actually buy the shit that there is war against Muslim terrorists who have weapons of mass destruction.
greg is cool
30.11.2010, 18:46
but as the TSA post has shown, u cant put a price on freedom.
I'm not convinced of any credibility.
You should be saying that not only about this video but the FBI as well. Seems like people have forgotten how analytical thinking works.
Supernintendo Chalmers
30.11.2010, 18:52
1. the FBI ambushed bonnie and clyde and flat out murdered them. this organization was built on the backs of rights violating scumbags so don't be surprised when they carry on that tradition.
2. the event in question here just happened and any real evidence for or against entrapment is going to be kept under wraps until the court case so that news video isn't really based on anything valid.
3. i can tell you from the mugshot that this kid is a scumbag and probably deserves or will deserve to end up in jail anyway.
DnEhThEnD
30.11.2010, 18:54
I can't believe that even after 9 years, there are tons of Americans who are so fucking stupid that they actually buy the shit that there is war against Muslim terrorists who have weapons of mass destruction.
sounds like something a terrorist would say
3. i can tell you from the mugshot that this kid is a scumbag and probably deserves or will deserve to end up in jail anyway.
You are the worst.
gen2roller
30.11.2010, 19:01
1. the FBI ambushed bonnie and clyde and flat out murdered them. this organization was built on the backs of rights violating scumbags so don't be surprised when they carry on that tradition.
2. the event in question here just happened and any real evidence for or against entrapment is going to be kept under wraps until the court case so that news video isn't really based on anything valid.
3. i can tell you from the mugshot that this kid is a scumbag and probably deserves or will deserve to end up in jail anyway.
4.??????????
5. Profit
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Supernintendo Chalmers
30.11.2010, 19:01
You are the worst.
that smug look on his face is all i need to know. oh and then there is the whole fake bomb thing. upstanding citizen for sure...
He looks like a typical teenage rollerblader.
Four years of working on a kid from the age of 15? Those are pretty impressionable years in a persons life I'd say.
Supernintendo Chalmers
30.11.2010, 19:07
He looks like a typical teenage rollerblader.
exactly.
Alex Coe
30.11.2010, 19:46
You should be saying that not only about this video but the FBI as well.
I was!
Seems like people have forgotten how analytical thinking works.
For shame. I have a feeling this statement speaks more of your arrogance than of it's literal meaning.
I was!
For shame. I have a feeling this statement speaks more of your arrogance than of it's literal meaning.
My bad then, I thought you where basically saying you don't believe anything the video touts since there is no credible evidence on display. Your statement was very open for mis-interpretation.
My second statement wasn't directed completely at you, it was towards everyone to always question both sides of an argument, no matter how far fetched it might seem.
I can't believe that even after 9 years, there are tons of Americans who are so fucking stupid that they actually buy the shit that there is war against Muslim terrorists who have weapons of mass destruction.
this^
*ROYALwithCHEESE*
01.12.2010, 06:17
You need something to show for all the money you have spent invading the lives of people.
Im sure if you can convince a 15 year old to fly from one side of the US to your house so you can fuck em in the ass you can convince a kid like that to do evil.
Did they contact him or did he contact them? That probably matters .
tim_adams
01.12.2010, 07:53
Yo, that look on his face makes him guilty fa sho. Chalmers, you're so smart and logical.
oldskizzle
01.12.2010, 10:46
Im sure if you can convince a 15 year old to fly from one side of the US to your house so you can fuck em in the ass you can convince a kid like that to do evil.
So is there like a number one can call to find said 15yo's or like is it like a website? I mean hypothetically speaking if one wanted a 15yo to fly to their house you know what I mean?
I dunno, I disagree.
I believe the fear to push is the product itself
RobFromFlint
01.12.2010, 12:23
So is there like a number one can call to find said 15yo's or like is it like a website? I mean hypothetically speaking if one wanted a 15yo to fly to their house you know what I mean?
:lol:
Supernintendo Chalmers
01.12.2010, 18:44
Yo, that look on his face makes him guilty fa sho. Chalmers, you're so smart and logical.
yeah stupid, it's called reading people's faces. faces are designed to give off messages and our brains are designed to read them. fields of science and psychology are dedicated to that and body language.
and to the pussy who left me negative feedback and called me racist, this has nothing to do with his nationality or religion.
yeah stupid, it's called reading people's faces. faces are designed to give off messages and our brains are designed to read them. fields of science and psychology are dedicated to that and body language.
that might make sense if you were actually looking at the kid, but you can't do that with a picture. you'd make a good cop.
yeah stupid, it's called reading people's faces. faces are designed to give off messages and our brains are designed to read them. fields of science and psychology are dedicated to that and body language.
and to the pussy who left me negative feedback and called me racist, this has nothing to do with his nationality or religion.
WELL! if science and psychology are dedicated to it, you are probably right!
also I agree with all the stuff you said about the FBI.
salomonskater
01.12.2010, 20:52
that might make sense if you were actually looking at the kid, but you can't do that with a picture. you'd make a good cop.
:lol: Haha, lol at the cop joke. Well said!
RT...fair and balanced just like Fox News and MSNBC.
Regardless of it being an FBI set up or not, if someone is working with you to blow people up, and you agree to do it and place a (fake) bomb there, then you're guilty, end of story.
RT...fair and balanced just like Fox News and MSNBC.
Regardless of it being an FBI set up or not, if someone is working with you to blow people up, and you agree to do it and place a (fake) bomb there, then you're guilty, end of story.
Your missing the entire point. Completely.
Your missing the entire point. Completely.
Please enlighten me with your wisdom.
tim_adams
01.12.2010, 22:20
yeah stupid, it's called reading people's faces. faces are designed to give off messages and our brains are designed to read them. fields of science and psychology are dedicated to that and body language.
and to the pussy who left me negative feedback and called me racist, this has nothing to do with his nationality or religion.
LOL. And no, it wasn't me (though racism has very little to do with "nationality or religion"... but I'm the stupid one, right?). Also neither faces nor brains were "designed", and your point about science and psychology is also false... but whatever. Now we're just being silly.
Anyway, I try to save my -rep points for groms like brant pickup.
Coopnasty
01.12.2010, 22:23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viJ5W-E3EJc
Please enlighten me with your wisdom.
The "end of story" is not that this cunts guilty, or not guilty. This isn't a black and white argument. The entire point is that your government, which is supposed to serve your best interests, is manufacturing, grooming, and preparing it's own terrorists. And for what? To push fear upon the public, to keep that fear in the media, and to use that fear as a tool to establish new policies, or change public opinion.
I just can't believe people can't see how orchestrated it all is. It's a big fucking show. It's a big fucking joke.
Grooming a borderline child at the age of 15 for four years, sorry but that REEKS of a setup. I could understand some 20 year old of right mind. But targeting a youth? That's EXACTLY what extremists do to gain more Suicide bombers. Brainwashing kids! It's fucking pathetic!
gambiacrumember
01.12.2010, 22:56
Well this is too big a mystery for me....
http://www.southparkstuff.com/images/stories/epiimgs/epi1009/epi1009img04.jpg
jakeordie
01.12.2010, 23:09
I just can't believe people can't see how orchestrated it all is.
Maybe because our supposed belief is similarly orchestrated.
Maybe because our supposed belief is similarly orchestrated.
So your suggesting that the mainstream conspiracies are set up to cover up/head fake people for another even deeper conspiracy?
http://i38.tinypic.com/2mxmmft.jpg
jakeordie
01.12.2010, 23:46
Who told you that we believe the story? The storytellers? :lol:
Ez bruv. What's with all the trying to understand stuff? Quit trying to make people think about shit.
Someone post a picture of a cute cat so we can get back on pace.
Anyone watch any good reality TV shows lately?
Your talking in riddles and using vague referencing again. Who is we, or our, I thought you where referring to yourself and myself. And personally, I side more with that video then any other mainstream media approach to it. Can you just come out with it? Hahaha, I want to post that pick of the "riddle me this, riddle me that" someone else posted. :D
jakeordie
02.12.2010, 00:06
Can you just come out with it?
You want like a a grand theory of everything? On Be-mag?
R-MONEY$$$
02.12.2010, 00:11
yes. Just this once though.
The "end of story" is not that this cunts guilty, or not guilty. This isn't a black and white argument. The entire point is that your government, which is supposed to serve your best interests, is manufacturing, grooming, and preparing it's own terrorists. And for what? To push fear upon the public, to keep that fear in the media, and to use that fear as a tool to establish new policies, or change public opinion.
I just can't believe people can't see how orchestrated it all is. It's a big fucking show. It's a big fucking joke.
Article 1
Aware of entrapment legal defenses, undercover agents offered Mohamud multiple alternatives to mass murder, including mere prayer. But he insisted he wanted to play an "operational" role, and even picked his target. Told he'd likely kill a lot of children, Mohamud said, "Yeah, I mean that's what I'm looking for." Pushed him further on whether he's prepared to commit such an act, Mohamud told agents, "I want whoever is attending that event to leave, to leave either dead or injured."
Article 2
What sting operations like this do, at a minimum, is send a psychological message to would-be jihadis that anyone they contact to join holy war abroad, and anyone they work with to bring terror back to America, may be a double agent, and that communications are so heavily monitored that any e-mail they send looking for jihadi advice is likely to attract the attention of the Feds.
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/11/27/somali-bomber-oregon-alleged-terrorist.html
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_11/026817.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2gnq6KsmR0&feature=player_embedded
Totally doing it for the fear!
Again... a four year sting operation? On a 15 year old kid?
It's good to hear the FBI's side of the story, but that's all it is. The FBI's side of the story.
The truth is always somewhere in the middle.
You want like a a grand theory of everything? On Be-mag?
Sure
xGREENxCLOVERx
02.12.2010, 00:31
You want like a a grand theory of everything? On Be-mag?
Do it, faggot. Al D. posts novels every 20 minutes.
jakeordie
02.12.2010, 01:35
Ok, here it is;
"The world as you know it" is merely the sum of all bits of information you've received.....it doesn't exist outside of your awareness. There are people who practice the art of manipulating this information, and literally molding the world as you know it in whatever image they will.
The problem is not one of illusion, it is of personal power.....yours belongs to them, and you will have none in the world as you know it if that world isn't fashioned by your will alone. It doesn't matter how you arrange the bits of information you're presented, they're all imaginary to begin with. You will never receive information about the world as they know it, this would defeat the purpose of informing you of anything.
My point is that when you ask someone for "The Truth", you're volunteering yourself as a host for their will.....and if they're the type, they'll have you do their dirty work for them.
I'll send $20 to whoever proves to me that they understand this.
Kim Jong Il
02.12.2010, 02:06
FEAR IS BEST PRODUCT TO PUSH!!
@Nino and Chalmers, people like you are the reason why most of the world think that all Americans are ignorant idiots, good job fitting into a stereotype.
Supernintendo Chalmers
02.12.2010, 08:11
@Nino and Chalmers, people like you are the reason why most of the world think that all Americans are ignorant idiots, good job fitting into a stereotype.
right, and you're mr. enlightened citizen of the world because you think this is one big FBI fabrication even though you have zero evidence to support that claim. i'm going to remember this thread and we can come back to it once his trial happens and the fbi plays recordings of him sounding guilty. then we'll see how fucking smart you are.
i'm going to remember this thread and we can come back to it once his trial happens and the fbi plays recordings of him sounding guilty.
You are officially the dumbest person on this board.
And your de-rep comments are really smart and intelligent too.
Supernintendo Chalmers
02.12.2010, 08:52
You are officially the dumbest person on this board.
no you are
And your de-rep comments are really smart and intelligent too.
but it's ok when you do it.
@Nino and Chalmers, people like you are the reason why most of the world think that all Americans are ignorant idiots, good job fitting into a stereotype.
I love how well you think you know my viewpoints already based on dumb assumptions you've made about a couple posts I made.
What stereotype am I fitting into? Please let me know.
tim_adams
02.12.2010, 11:54
Ok, here it is;
"The world as you know it" is merely the sum of all bits of information you've received.....it doesn't exist outside of your awareness. There are people who practice the art of manipulating this information, and literally molding the world as you know it in whatever image they will.
The problem is not one of illusion, it is of personal power.....yours belongs to them, and you will have none in the world as you know it if that world isn't fashioned by your will alone. It doesn't matter how you arrange the bits of information you're presented, they're all imaginary to begin with. You will never receive information about the world as they know it, this would defeat the purpose of informing you of anything.
My point is that when you ask someone for "The Truth", you're volunteering yourself as a host for their will.....and if they're the type, they'll have you do their dirty work for them.
I'll send $20 to whoever proves to me that they understand this.
That's some garbage right there. How can we "prove" to you that we understand your "truth"? Wouldn't that just put us at your "will"? Or something along those lines to cop out and ignore the world around us, because we can't really understand, and we're all powerless, and it's all imaginary anyway? Or did I just earn 20 bucks?
And the bold part seems like a contradiction to me. Actually, no... it's just so vague and conspiratorial sounding. Kind of silly.
Also, Nino is a solid dude, who's pretty critical about this kind of stuff. He should not be lumped into the same category as SC.
| B |rian
02.12.2010, 12:07
I just believe that every "folied" bomb plot is set up since the FBI is not competent enough to catch a real terrorist
I had a lot of sugar yesterday, was overly tired, and angry at the man when I made this post. But I think there was some interesting shit said by all.
http://knowyourmeme.com/system/icons/1253/original/everything_went_better_than_expected.jpg?125751095 9
*ROYALwithCHEESE*
03.12.2010, 04:44
Sugar is controlled by The government to dumb us all down.
Its the new heroin!
jakeordie
03.12.2010, 13:18
That's some garbage right there. How can we "prove" to you that we understand your "truth"? Wouldn't that just put us at your "will"? Or something along those lines to cop out and ignore the world around us, because we can't really understand, and we're all powerless, and it's all imaginary anyway? Or did I just earn 20 bucks?
That's a lot of question marks for someone trying to prove something.....if you have to ask, no $20 for you.
And the bold part seems like a contradiction to me. Actually, no... it's just so vague and conspiratorial sounding. Kind of silly.
Remember "they" in the context of what I wrote applies to "people who practice the art of manipulating the information you receive".....not all people.
I had a lot of sugar yesterday, was overly tired, and angry at the man when I made this post.
STOP EATING SUGAR!
bostonsk8er
03.12.2010, 22:18
Ok, here it is;
"The world as you know it" is merely the sum of all bits of information you've received.....it doesn't exist outside of your awareness. There are people who practice the art of manipulating this information, and literally molding the world as you know it in whatever image they will.
The problem is not one of illusion, it is of personal power.....yours belongs to them, and you will have none in the world as you know it if that world isn't fashioned by your will alone. It doesn't matter how you arrange the bits of information you're presented, they're all imaginary to begin with. You will never receive information about the world as they know it, this would defeat the purpose of informing you of anything.
My point is that when you ask someone for "The Truth", you're volunteering yourself as a host for their will.....and if they're the type, they'll have you do their dirty work for them.
I'll send $20 to whoever proves to me that they understand this.
interesting philosophy. and not entirely untrue. my only argument with it, is that those who would manipulate one persons view would not be trying to manipulate everyone's view if this were the case. society is a construct of mass brainwashing beginning at a young age, with the ultimate goal being to ensure the growth and continuation of humanity as a species. the big problem with this is that it tends to devalue individual thought and creativity in favor of group thought and action. and there will always be some individuals who will twist information to take advantage of the lack of individual thought and creativity to further their own power and success within the social construct. its unavoidable.
Muppet4Eternity
04.12.2010, 17:04
Ok, here it is;
"The world as you know it" is merely the sum of all bits of information you've received.....it doesn't exist outside of your awareness. There are people who practice the art of manipulating this information, and literally molding the world as you know it in whatever image they will.
The problem is not one of illusion, it is of personal power.....yours belongs to them, and you will have none in the world as you know it if that world isn't fashioned by your will alone. It doesn't matter how you arrange the bits of information you're presented, they're all imaginary to begin with. You will never receive information about the world as they know it, this would defeat the purpose of informing you of anything.
My point is that when you ask someone for "The Truth", you're volunteering yourself as a host for their will.....and if they're the type, they'll have you do their dirty work for them.
I'll send $20 to whoever proves to me that they understand this.
Have you ever considered we don't exist. We have nothing to compare our 'existence' to, therefore whether we exist or not is debatable. You can't miss what you've never had.
bobgross
04.12.2010, 17:29
There will always be manipulators and corrupt individuals in government.
The FBI is bound to commit crimes to make it seem like they're actually doing their job.
In this case, the extent of the entrapment is extremely important, since the kid was 15 and probably easily influenced.
If he came out and said "I want to fight for Islam in a violent way," then obviously the FBI's manipulation was less severe than if they went out and asked him "Do you want to wage war on America by committing an act of violence?" and he agreed.
Of course, any evidence that could prove the FBI guilty is controlled by the FBI, so...
bobgross
04.12.2010, 17:34
Have you ever considered we don't exist. We have nothing to compare our 'existence' to, therefore whether we exist or not is debatable. You can't miss what you've never had.
I know I exist because of my perceptions of self.
Whether or not my perceptions are universally "true" doesn't matter, because they are true to me.
If I tell you I have a phone in my pocket, and you look and see the outline of something that looks like a phone, you may believe what I said, but I'm the only one who actually knows it exists because I'm the one directly perceiving it's existence.
Reality is just a product of all of our perceptions, if you tell me a specific child in Africa is dying, even if the child exists and you are telling the truth, that child will still be less "real" to me than a child I see dying in front of me.
In my opinion, whoever said "seeing is believing" was entirely right.
I just believe that every "folied" bomb plot is set up since the FBI is not competent enough to catch a real terrorist
this
Garret i have a lot of sympathy with your viewpoint. Same thing happened in new york to 3 guys, who planned for years WITH the fbi to blow up a temple. Two of them were borderline retarded. Fuck the feds they probably had enough to arrest the kid when he was 15 but they knew he was a kid and they could fuck him over harder if he was over 18. The feds killed innocent people thinking they were part of dillingers gang in the early days too. I think the craziest thing right now is the evidence right in front of our face, leaked on wikileaks, on how the U.S. created, and continues to directly fund through our saudi pals al qaeda and the taliban.
I feel close to ranting now so ill try to get back ontopic. This was entrapment, and while the kid obviously wasn't an angel, he was misguided and probably a feeble mind ripe for manipulation. The F.B.I should be concentrating on the people who would mold minds such as his (which in this case was the F.B.I.) Its like busting a low lever dealer when they should be holding out for the bigger fish. Fuck the FEDS, police, and military industrial complex. The richest people in the world sell weapons.
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