Cant decide on Aspect Ratio...

[skatd0g]

4:3 or 16:9...

Does it matter?

What do you prefer to see when watching edits?

[nb]

16:9

[al dolega]

.
16:9

[Timothy James Kelly]

4:3 video.

[Robert1]

Definitely 4:3 for skating.

[alanchrishughes]

this isnt a choice. if you shoot standard def you have 4:3. if you shoot hi def you have 16:9. unless you are trying to look cool and fake hi def by shooting standard def in 16:9 which is pointless, or you have one hi def clip to be used in a standard def edit.

[skatd0g]

I have my camcorder... which films in 1080p.
i wanna film in 16:9...
but would i be better off filming 4:3 for inline?

[austin sullivan]

Standard def 4:3 for skating no question about it, of course the camera you have is also key (fisheye as well). So VX21MK1 mod or VX1MK1. Also yes it does matter quite a bit, if the filmer can utilize the setup, but seeing as almost every rollerblader doesn't have the slightest clue how to film it doesn't really matter what they shoot on.

[roccityroller]

If you're shooting in 1080p, 16:9. for sure.

[al dolega]

If you have an HD camcorder it will be 16:9. At least in HD mode. It may have an SD mode where it crops to 4:3. I would say film in the highest-quality mode you can, as you can always down-res HD footage but you can't up-res SD footage.


Standard def 4:3 for skating no question about it, of course the camera you have is also key (fisheye as well). So VX21MK1 mod or VX1MK1. Also yes it does matter quite a bit, if the filmer can utilize the setup, but seeing as almost every rollerblader doesn't have the slightest clue how to film it doesn't really matter what they shoot on.

Just because a rollerblader doesn't film like Skate Perception tells you to doesn't mean he doesn't know how to film. Rollerblading and skateboarding are fundamentally very different activities in many, many ways, and thus should be filmed accordingly. Vignetting looks terrible, absolutely terrible, and SD was history three years ago, let alone now.

[alanchrishughes]

Standard def 4:3 for skating no question about it, of course the camera you have is also key (fisheye as well). So VX21MK1 mod or VX1MK1. Also yes it does matter quite a bit, if the filmer can utilize the setup, but seeing as almost every rollerblader doesn't have the slightest clue how to film it doesn't really matter what they shoot on.

wtf? why would you want to use out dated technology?

[austin sullivan]

If you have an HD camcorder it will be 16:9. At least in HD mode. It may have an SD mode where it crops to 4:3. I would say film in the highest-quality mode you can, as you can always down-res HD footage but you can't up-res SD footage.



Just because a rollerblader doesn't film like Skate Perception tells you to doesn't mean he doesn't know how to film. Rollerblading and skateboarding are fundamentally very different activities in many, many ways, and thus should be filmed accordingly. Vignetting looks terrible, absolutely terrible, and SD was history three years ago, let alone now.

Film like SP? Alot of those kids are jokes, maybe you meant film like professional filmers that do skateboarding films? Well yes there is guidelines to making a clip look good, seeing as I have seen VERY few rollerbladers apply those into their filming i would say they do not know how to film. Either that or they blatantly ignore it, which would look even worse on those individuals. I don't see how they are different while pertaining to how they should be filmed, maybe you can enlighten me? Vignette > weak fisheyes, also maybe you are unaware but once you put VX1K footage on a television there is ZERO vignette. 16:9 was not built for skating, maybe if we were 4 feet tall by 6 feet wide accommodating the 16:9 format, though crisp footage is quite nice the disadvantages outweigh the advantages.

[austin sullivan]

wtf? why would you want to use out dated technology?
What I stated above, Also if you are chosing between 16:9 or 4:3 on an HD camera then it is no question. Though if you are choosing between a standard definition camera (4:3) and a high definition camera (16:9) 4:3 anyday IMO.

[alanchrishughes]

haha, are you a troll account or whatever its called?

[Mudhut Jollyrancher]

haha, are you a troll account or whatever its called?
haha

[alanchrishughes]

haha

lol, is he though? i dont get on be-mag much any more

[Mudhut Jollyrancher]

sully is the real deal 8)

[austin sullivan]

haha, are you a troll account or whatever its called?
R U TROLL?

[al dolega]

Film like SP? Alot of those kids are jokes, maybe you meant film like professional filmers that do skateboarding films?

Yes, many kids on there are jokes, and many others are legit in their world- respected, admired, looked up to. There's even quite a few professional filmers that do skateboarding films on there. The point still stands- just because a rollerblader doesn't film like skateboarders doesn't mean he's bad at filming. Similarly, just because a rollerblader copies the skateboarding filming ideal does not make him a good filmer.


Well yes there is guidelines to making a clip look good, seeing as I have seen VERY few rollerbladers apply those into their filming i would say they do not know how to film. Either that or they blatantly ignore it, which would look even worse on those individuals.

And where were your standards/guidelines drawn from? I see rollerbladers apply guidelines and standards to their own and others' filming all the time (do you even read these forums?). Again, just because they're not the set of standards from ANOTHER SPORT that YOU choose to apply to YOUR filming does not make them bad.


I don't see how they are different while pertaining to how they should be filmed, maybe you can enlighten me?

They (often, not all the time) need to be filmed differently, because the activities themselves are different. We do not do split-second flip tricks. We do not manipulate an external object that then becomes the center of attention, and thus our standards of style are much more heavily based on body movement and control. We, by and large, skate obstacles that are much larger then skateboarders' obstacles. We do not face to the side when rolling. We use our arms/hands much more than they do. Shall I go on? ROLLERBLADING IS NOT SKATEBOARDING 2.0!


Vignette > weak fisheyes,

We don't need "strong" fisheyes because we don't need to exaggerate our obstacles nearly as much as skateboarders, and we don't need to be ten inches from the skater in order to be able to distinguish one flip trick from another.


also maybe you are unaware but once you put VX1K footage on a television there is ZERO vignette.

Yes, on a crappy tube TV. They stopped selling those what, five years ago? Six? And decent tube TV's have significantly less overscan and thus yes, you do see the vignetting. I actually skateboarded in the nineties, and it looked bad then, and it looks REALLY bad now.

And how many skate videos/edits are viewed on a TV (of any type) anymore anyways? Online is king. Or at least it's the power behind the throne.


16:9 was not built for skating, maybe if we were 4 feet tall by 6 feet wide accommodating the 16:9 format, though crisp footage is quite nice the disadvantages outweigh the advantages.

4:3 wasn't "built for skating" either. It was the only choice when skateboarders started making videos so they had to go with it. And where does it say the entire frame has to be evenly filled with the skater? In skateboarding, that's where- and not even there nearly as much anymore.

What's your opinion on 2.35/2.39:1?

[Timothy James Kelly]

This is funny because I own a 7D but I'd never ever film skating with it.

[alanchrishughes]

dont waste your time arguing with him al, i dont know if he is really a troll or not but this is obviously some kind of bored arguing for the sake of arguing deal. he will probably start talking about the advantages of vhs-c over digital next.

[austin sullivan]

Yes, many kids on there are jokes, and many others are legit in their world- respected, admired, looked up to. There's even quite a few professional filmers that do skateboarding films on there. The point still stands- just because a rollerblader doesn't film like skateboarders doesn't mean he's bad at filming. Similarly, just because a rollerblader copies the skateboarding filming ideal does not make him a good filmer.

There are many different styles of filming, even in skateboarding. So you can't say film like skateboarders because there isn't an exact style of film which every skateboarding filmer uses.


And where were your standards/guidelines drawn from? I see rollerbladers apply guidelines and standards to their own and others' filming all the time (do you even read these forums?). Again, just because they're not the set of standards from ANOTHER SPORT that YOU choose to apply to YOUR filming does not make them bad.

RULE OF THIRDS, once I see that happen in rollerblading then maybe some filmers will be taken seriously. Also when you have a fisheye you don't stand 10 feet away. Learn to get as close as you can, point the camera up towards the skater, don't be a pussy about getting your camera kicked (even though not many people have a fisheye setup that is powerful enough to capture the whole skater in the image causing the filmer to be close enough for that to be a possible problem), FILM STEADY (thats why I believe DSLR's and mini HD cameras are jokes), and finally LEARN HOW TO SET YOUR WHITE BALANCE. Your whites aren't supposed to be yellow, sky a shitty pale blue and grass neon colors. I don't care if they are trying to be artsy or whatever the excuse is it looks atrocious. There is so much more to filming but I will just leave you with that.


They (often, not all the time) need to be filmed differently, because the activities themselves are different. We do not do split-second flip tricks. We do not manipulate an external object that then becomes the center of attention, and thus our standards of style are much more heavily based on body movement and control. We, by and large, skate obstacles that are much larger then skateboarders' obstacles. We do not face to the side when rolling. We use our arms/hands much more than they do. Shall I go on? ROLLERBLADING IS NOT SKATEBOARDING 2.0!

None of that has anything to do with how rollerblading should be filmed. Just because skateboarders have an object that moves around independent from their body at times doesn't mean that it changes the way it is filmed (maybe if the camera was fixated on the board alone). Last time I checked it was filmed with both the board and the skater in the clip just as rollerblading should be filmed with the skates and the skater in the clip. Yes we skate larger obstacles, but who wouldn't want it to look that much BIGGER and better on film? Skateboarders do not NEED to film their stuff with good fisheyes to make it look good though it does help and why not? Also I never said rollerblading was skateboarding, you obviously didn't get what I was saying that they aren't two completely different sports which need to be filmed completely differently.


We don't need "strong" fisheyes because we don't need to exaggerate our obstacles nearly as much as skateboarders, and we don't need to be ten inches from the skater in order to be able to distinguish one flip trick from another.

What I said above and I will go out on a limb and say skateboarders do not get close to see flip tricks better, they do it because it actually looks good.


Yes, on a crappy tube TV. They stopped selling those what, five years ago? Six? And decent tube TV's have significantly less overscan and thus yes, you do see the vignetting. I actually skateboarded in the nineties, and it looked bad then, and it looks REALLY bad now.

And how many skate videos/edits are viewed on a TV (of any type) anymore anyways? Online is king. Or at least it's the power behind the throne.

I own said crappy tube TV. I didn't fall prey to blueray, HDTV and all that shit. It's a waste of my money when my TV works just fine and HD doesn't have a big enough draw for me to change my ways of how I choose to view videos. I'm sure you know of Stay Gold, actually I will bet someone you know owns it via iTunes. Last time I checked that was filmed various cameras inluding VX1K's. I don't see that causing people not to buy the film because of the vignette.


4:3 wasn't "built for skating" either. It was the only choice when skateboarders started making videos so they had to go with it. And where does it say the entire frame has to be evenly filled with the skater? In skateboarding, that's where- and not even there nearly as much anymore.

What's your opinion on 2.35/2.39:1?

4:3 is no question more applicable to filming any form of action sports (rollerblading, skateboarding, bmx) than 16:9 is. Though 16:9 is not as bad for LL but fisheye shots are essential to a well rounded film. Not to say it isn't possible to film good fisheye 16:9 shots, but it is definitally alot harder and less effective compared to a good 4:3 setup with someone knowing how to operate it to it's full potential. I won't even go into what you said about filling the entire frame with the skater because i had stated it above. 2.35:1 and 2.39:1 were made for Hollywood and that is where it should stay.

[s.]

:shock: well done Al, well done.

Vx1k fanboys make me :?

[austin sullivan]

:shock: well done Al, well done.

Vx1k fanboys make me :?
Polish make me :?

[s.]

good one :lol: