View Full Version : CHARG!NG on pirate bay and online etc.
Now I know that this is gonna turn into a blood bath so I just wanted to pose a few questions to the people who don't seem to get it.
#1. Why would you post a video online that you don't own before it has even had a chance to sell out? I personally put up all our old videos to promote rollerblading to the masses, but well after they have sold. http://vimeo.com/kansas
#2. Do we not give you enough free content to ask that you in turn pay for something that we feel is special and that we dumped a lot of money into? http://vimeo.com/vibralux
#3. How are we supposed to turn around and make more videos when I'm sitting on $6,000 in stock that would act as plane tickets, gas, etc. for a new project? Hell, if we could sell the numbers we used to we might be able to get enough people in on a project to do something that would be appealing to people outside of our community.
You see rollerblading isn't without talent or ideas, it is at many points without disposable cash for luxuries like making DVDs that people are going to steal. Stealing videos takes away any incentive to want to keep making them and it takes away from the money that would go back into them. If you want to rip it from a friend who bought it, whatever, just stop making it so easy for everyone in the World to steal it.
That is all, thanks for your support if you bought it, if not grab it from your favorite skate shop or online here.
http://straightjacket.bigcartel.com/
Dr. Zaius
07.04.2011, 20:52
Well I haven't downloaded it and probably won't. But I'm broke anyway so I watched it at my bud's house.
Flandangle
07.04.2011, 20:55
Dammit, I need to buy a pair of your jeans, not merely because they're amazing, but also to support you and Straight Jackit as a whole.
DnEhThEnD
07.04.2011, 20:58
this thread is promoting that it's out there :???:
DnEhThEnD
07.04.2011, 20:59
this thread is promoting that it's out there :???:
inb4 we out here
DnEhThEnD
07.04.2011, 20:59
son of a..
Timothy James Kelly
07.04.2011, 21:02
fuk
I love your videos, and I should have contributed to your kickstarter. I've bought On Top and Charging as well as some older releases you've made through the years. If you make a kickstarter preselling your next DVD I'll contribute this time.
Sorry you're in a business where it's hard to stay afloat :(
:bran^don:
07.04.2011, 21:06
it sucks. you should be paid for your work. rollerbladers should respect you enough to pay for your video. the reality is that shit like this cannot be stopped. eventually you are not going to make anymore videos because you aren't even breaking even. its sad that rollerbladers are going to be responsible for the end of rollerblading. we will have no one to blame but ourselves. I purchased your video, unfortunatly i had to ship it to the states so i have not viewed it yet. but i am sure it will be worth every penny i paid for it.
i remember someone saying it was up there. i bought yer video on release day.
CerealGuy
07.04.2011, 21:16
never knew the video existed until you said it was "on pirate bay and online etc. "
where is it on sale in Japan?
this thread is promoting that it's out there :???:
You know it's 2011 right? Anyone with half a brain knows to look for a torrent.
never knew the video existed until you said it was "on pirate bay and online etc. "
where is it on sale in Japan?
if it were it would be 七千円.
what we need is some sort of purple technology, but for dvds
APhustla
07.04.2011, 21:29
i bought it. and honestly if i lost it somehow, i would buy it again. same with lots of the vids i have. i bought elements2 seriously 3 different times cuz it was eaten by 2 different vcr's. i've re bought countless cd's that i've lost/had stolen as well. i know that's not really a good comparison but fuck. it's all these broke ass dickheads ruining shit. 20 bucks ain't shit. you lint pocketed jokers know who you are
LAME!!!
taking money out of the pockets of dudes that actually GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ROLLERBLADING.
RollerBatioNation
07.04.2011, 21:31
You assholes are going to force aj to start filming skateboarders so he can actually make money, congratulations. Shane coburn, Dave Paine, aj.....nice knowing you guys:)
in b4 hustles' wall of lofty quotes
Scott_Nairn
07.04.2011, 21:36
TPB file is 5GB... fuck that, I'll be quicker ordering it from a shop!!! haha
CerealGuy
07.04.2011, 21:42
if it were it would be 七千円.
when did you learn to write in japanese?!!??
must be HAARP!!!!!
best video ever. Bought my blue ray copy with 2 pair of vx jeans at bcsd to support you guyz at strait jackit. Best dudes with best team out there
salomonskater
07.04.2011, 21:55
best video ever. Bought my blue ray copy with 2 pair of vx jeans at bcsd to support you guyz at strait jackit. Best dudes with best team out here
Fixed.
Fixed.
http://feralpartykids.com/images/fry%20i%20see%20what%20you%20did%20there.jpg
BentoBox
07.04.2011, 22:01
So your bright idea was to let the entire boards know that the torrent was out?
Matthew Shannon
07.04.2011, 22:24
you should sell digital downloads for 5-10 bucks. most of the time I don't buy videos anymore because their is so much online content as opposed to having to buy a video, wait for it to come in the mail, and pop in the dvd player.
it is undoubtably a better experience to watch videos on a tv than on a computer. But, people ripping the video from the internet do it because they would rather download it and watch it right away instead of pay for it and have to wait a week to watch it. providing a digital download at a smaller price might draw out some of the people who would illegally download it.
Just my two cents.
MITSUBISHI FUJI
07.04.2011, 22:25
if it were it would be 七千円.
Too much..I'd torrent it too if I had to pay that much.
CerealGuy
07.04.2011, 22:29
where is the local retailer here in Bali?
Nick Tary
07.04.2011, 22:34
Laserdisk asshole.
Problem solved.
DnEhThEnD
07.04.2011, 22:34
Laserdisk asshole.
Problem solved.
*laserdisc
uncle blake
07.04.2011, 22:34
AJ, I'm coming from a strictly business point of view when I ask the following questions but what was the last video you made that was a monetary success (by monetary, we'll say at least breaking even)? Has there been a decline in skate dvd sales over the last decade? 5 years? How about regular dvds? Did you think Charging would be a monetary success? Why? Is a dvd the only way a skate picture could be monetarily successful?
jonathan
07.04.2011, 22:35
you should sell digital downloads for 5-10 bucks. most of the time I don't buy videos anymore because their is so much online content as opposed to having to buy a video, wait for it to come in the mail, and pop in the dvd player.
it is undoubtably a better experience to watch videos on a tv than on a computer. But, people ripping the video from the internet do it because they would rather download it and watch it right away instead of pay for it and have to wait a week to watch it. providing a digital download at a smaller price might draw out some of the people who would illegally download it.
Just my two cents.
That's a lame excuse. People download it because they don't want to have to pay for it. Digital copies would be a reality but AJ still has 6,000 worht of physical copies that he needs to push. otherwise he's fuck and wont come near making back any of the money he put into it and wont be able to tour more.
I wanna see more farmer sections.
jakeordie
07.04.2011, 22:35
Now I know that this is gonna turn into a blood bath so I just wanted to pose a few questions to the people who don't seem to get it.
#1. Why would you post a video online that you don't own before it has even had a chance to sell out? I personally put up all our old videos to promote rollerblading to the masses, but well after they have sold. http://vimeo.com/kansas
#2. Do we not give you enough free content to ask that you in turn pay for something that we feel is special and that we dumped a lot of money into? http://vimeo.com/vibralux
#3. How are we supposed to turn around and make more videos when I'm sitting on $6,000 in stock that would act as plane tickets, gas, etc. for a new project? Hell, if we could sell the numbers we used to we might be able to get enough people in on a project to do something that would be appealing to people outside of our community.
You see rollerblading isn't without talent or ideas, it is at many points without disposable cash for luxuries like making DVDs that people are going to steal. Stealing videos takes away any incentive to want to keep making them and it takes away from the money that would go back into them. If you want to rip it from a friend who bought it, whatever, just stop making it so easy for everyone in the World to steal it.
That is all, thanks for your support if you bought it, if not grab it from your favorite skate shop or online here.
http://straightjacket.bigcartel.com/
REPOST :arrow:
LAME!!!
taking money out of the pockets of dudes that actually GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ROLLERBLADING.
Fucking LOVE your work.....dude redeemed the two biggest videos of the year with two clips.
Matthew Shannon
07.04.2011, 22:39
That's a lame excuse. People download it because they don't want to have to pay for it. Digital copies would be a reality but AJ still has 6,000 worht of physical copies that he needs to push. otherwise he's fuck and wont come near making back any of the money he put into it and wont be able to tour more.
I wanna see more farmer sections.
digital downloads would provide a source of income for the people who don't want to drop the full 20+ bucks for the video. and is almost all profit since your not paying for the physical production of the dvd, jacket, shipping...etc
The "wait for shipping" excuse is such a cop out. Coast to coast shipping is 5 business days regular ground. You're saying your impatience is so strong that you can't wait a week?
*Europeans are an exception to this, though it really isn't that much longer.
Saying you don't give a shit about a physical copy is one thing but saying you're too impatient to wait a week is a bit absurd.
Nick Tary
07.04.2011, 23:07
Lazerdisque
I feel bad that you spent so much money producing DVDs when you could have made so much more money selling your video online. It's unfortunate that no one in the blading industry knows about selling digital media. Look, the sale of physical copies of ALL digital media has plummeted over the past 6 years. The TV industry has a DIRECT TO INTERNET policy, the music industry is selling limited edition packages of CDs/Vinyl in order to make a physical version special for the collector, while the overwhelming majority of their sales are online.
You have to stop looking at pirates as the problem, and look at them as potential customers that you have to reach via modern business practices. Next time, produce 1/3rd or less physical copies as limited editions, that sell with a poster/a couple bonus sections. Sell a bare-bones digital copy for 5-10 dollars per download and watch the money roll in. I'm quite sure you could still put the tour section on sale online for 5 dollars, letting people know that there is a shit load of bonus stuff on the actual DVD, and you WILL make straight profit online, and almost certainly increase the sales of your DVD.
uncle blake
07.04.2011, 23:13
The "wait for shipping" excuse is such a cop out. Coast to coast shipping is 5 business days regular ground. You're saying your impatience is so strong that you can't wait a week?
*Europeans are an exception to this, though it really isn't that much longer.
Saying you don't give a shit about a physical copy is one thing but saying you're too impatient to wait a week is a bit absurd.
Yeah but what would rather? Going through the process to order it and receive it in 5 days, or receive it now?
APhustla
07.04.2011, 23:21
digital downloads would provide a source of income for the people who don't want to drop the full 20+ bucks for the video. and is almost all profit since your not paying for the physical production of the dvd, jacket, shipping...etc
full 20 bucks?!?! BAHAHAHAHHA why are bladers so fucking cheap? 20 DOLLARS IS NOTHING
u am snookems
07.04.2011, 23:23
Now, would he be selling digital copies to skateshops to sell? There's more involved here than AJ's wallet.
Yeah but what would rather? Going through the process to order it and receive it in 5 days, or receive it now?
I would rather watch it on a tv and I'm lazy about burning DVDs.
So would this online video be the full 5 gigs to include all bonus material and menus?
Either way I'd rather have a real DVD and case to watch when I wanted vs watching it on a 27" computer screen. Not to mention my computer is set up in a work space not ideal for sitting back and watching a video.
So my laziness votes physical copy.
Now, would he be selling digital copies to skateshops to sell? There's more involved here than AJ's wallet.
Nice insight, Michael.
Rickayyy
07.04.2011, 23:43
AJ, I'm coming from a strictly business point of view when I ask the following questions but what was the last video you made that was a monetary success (by monetary, we'll say at least breaking even)? Has there been a decline in skate dvd sales over the last decade? 5 years? How about regular dvds? Did you think Charging would be a monetary success? Why? Is a dvd the only way a skate picture could be monetarily successful?
While I can't answer those questions directly I can tell you that at Bittercold Showdown like 2-3 years ago, I was working the DVD end of the Denial/Genre/NT table and it was so fucking tough to get dudes' to buy 3 video's for $20.
I honestly wish these dude's would have stayed at every single person's house who thinks it's ok to download this video so you could see how fucking hard these dude's worked on this project... Oh, and let's not forget, they fucking did it FOR YOU. They're not exactly get paid big bucks to make this video. Every one of them worked there asses off. They were up and out the door by 10am every day and they were out blading for 10+ hours a day to get clips to make this video happen.
jonathan
07.04.2011, 23:48
While I can't answer those questions directly I can tell you that at Bittercold Showdown like 2-3 years ago, I was working the DVD end of the Denial/Genre/NT table and it was so fucking tough to get dudes' to buy 3 video's for $20.
No offense, but I wouldn't buy 3 denial videos for 5 dollars. Just putting that into perspective.
Though I agree with your second statement.
*edit*
I bought your video a while back. Still own it.
RollerBatioNation
07.04.2011, 23:58
This thread should go no further than this mans logic, not that stealing aj's shit is cool by any means but this is the answer to the torrenting debate. It is simply too easy to steal shit on the Internet and people who make skate videos need to stop trusting people to do the right thing and start beating them at their own game.
I feel bad that you spent so much money producing DVDs when you could have made so much more money selling your video online. It's unfortunate that no one in the blading industry knows about selling digital media. Look, the sale of physical copies of ALL digital media has plummeted over the past 6 years. The TV industry has a DIRECT TO INTERNET policy, the music industry is selling limited edition packages of CDs/Vinyl in order to make a physical version special for the collector, while the overwhelming majority of their sales are online.
You have to stop looking at pirates as the problem, and look at them as potential customers that you have to reach via modern business practices. Next time, produce 1/3rd or less physical copies as limited editions, that sell with a poster/a couple bonus sections. Sell a bare-bones digital copy for 5-10 dollars per download and watch the money roll in. I'm quite sure you could still put the tour section on sale online for 5 dollars, letting people know that there is a shit load of bonus stuff on the actual DVD, and you WILL make straight profit online, and almost certainly increase the sales of your DVD.
UnknownPleasures
08.04.2011, 00:01
Stickied so people see how people making videos feel...
#emo
Did you purchase the rights to the music used in Charg!ing?
If not, shut up and take it like a man.
Nick Tary
08.04.2011, 00:33
Did you purchase the rights to the music used in Charg!ing?
If not, shut up and take it like a man.
Pretty much. A Flock of Seagulls must have zero money at this point. Think they need to eat, too.
RollerBatioNation
08.04.2011, 00:56
Did you purchase the rights to the music used in Charg!ing?
If not, shut up and take it like a man.
so, if someone breaks into your car and jacks your shit......it's all good right? because last week you didn't pay that parking meter.
I keep nothing in my car and don't park in metered spots.
It may not be "all good" but coming on here screaming "the kettle is black" is just going to make you look like a fool.
RollerBatioNation
08.04.2011, 01:26
I keep nothing in my car and don't park in metered spots.
It may not be "all good" but coming on here screaming "the kettle is black" is just going to make you look like a fool.
how does AJ look like a fool for coming on here?
He was very professional and didn't do anything more than ask a few questions..
This isn't fucking steven spielberg or metalica you are dealing with here, this is adam johnson from kansas city who loves rollerblading. He made a video for the 20 other people in this world who share his passion, and you all shit on him because it was more convenient than supporting your microscopic/brink of extinct/hanging on by nothing more than commitment industry with 20 measly fucking dollars.....He calls you out on it, and you are trying to defend yourself with advice that none of you were willing to divulge until he is already out enough money that he may not make another video.
It's not like you are torrenting a movie that has already made millions/billions at the theater with $10 tickets, you are shitting on someone who is trying to promote one of the only grassroots movements left in the whole world.
While some of you may have a good point that people will always be copying shit, that's not the point. yes, AJ could be a little more on top of things as far as digital copies and extra incentives for buying the hard copies, but it's the principal of the thing.....Bladers should be family, and you shouldn't shit on your own family.
MyGlockGoPopPopPop
08.04.2011, 01:29
Thank you AJ for the work you put into blading, the video is DOPE. Happy to support, now if only you started making clothes for fat kids...
Rickayyy
08.04.2011, 01:36
No offense, but I wouldn't buy 3 denial videos for 5 dollars. Just putting that into perspective.
Though I agree with your second statement.
*edit*
I bought your video a while back. Still own it.
Thanks for buying my video, hope you liked it!
It wasn't just Denial videos. We were also pushing Shot From Dark, Say Word 3 (or 4? Whatever the newest one out was), and whatever Brett Dasovic's newest video was at the time, I think it was Too Much Love 1 in addition to Know Rollerblading and The Everywhere Experiment. I was also selling my video The Mix Up for $5 with a free copy of my previous release This Is Rollerblading and kids were saying no... Not that my video is on the level of Charging but seriously, 2 video's for $5 is a fucking deal.
CerealGuy
08.04.2011, 01:48
was the question "did he pay for the music he used?" ever answered?
Nick Tary
08.04.2011, 02:02
Nope.
I respect Adam and everyone involved. However, it is retarded to bitch about piracy when you're a pirate yourself. It applies to everything.
The music industry is completely fucked at this point, and I'm pretty sure a few clicks on mediafire or utorrent, than dragging it on a final cut pro timeline, selling a video and neglecting royaly dues isn't helping.
Deja Vu. We've talked about this before.
24 euro is a lot here.....just saying, especially when i have to pay for delivery too bcs the only skateshop here doesn't have any dvd's.
skitmatik
08.04.2011, 03:18
lil tip aj...make your company want to be supported how? give free s tickers n shit like that out with every pair o jeans or dvd i dunno but MAKE YOUR BUYERS BACK THE PRODUCT..i think thats the easiest way..
Muppet4Eternity
08.04.2011, 04:00
So let me get this straight... If you were making a video you were reasonably sure wasn't going to make much profit, or even enough to break even, would you incur extra overheads for the sake of doing things properly?
*ROYALwithCHEESE*
08.04.2011, 04:21
I got valo4life off of a torrent, felt bad about......deleted it and bought ot off of itunes...
Oh and it was this guy
http://b.vimeocdn.com/ts/905/560/90556066_200.jpg
Alex Millerd
08.04.2011, 04:31
Yeah kids have no problem stealing shit in front of 100s of people at comps or from skateshops, I don't think advertising where to steal it from with no chance of getting caught is helping you at all.
Freddy White
08.04.2011, 05:39
you should sell digital downloads for 5-10 bucks.
And kill the last remaining skateshops in the process.
And seriously hinder the last rollerblading focused distribution companies around the world.
And eventually surrender to lame ass kids that think 20 bucks is too much for a DVD, when they fall victims of buying every new trendy product or stupid Iphone application rather than support their own community...
There's a lot more to this, but you see where I'm coming from. I'm glad I got my name written on Betty White, I'm glad I supported these guys in the process, and I'm glad I own this DVD, just like every other video AJ ever burned onto a DVD.
You might thing the word "support" is just another marketing gimmick. Or you might think it's an actual honorable way to live you life. That's your call.
Bought my dvd copy, downloading is way too trendy for me.
i didn't know it was online. i should prob try and find it now. thanks for the heads up!
News flash! Some people don't buy into 'support the industry' etc and don't care what or who was involved in the making of the flick, they simply want to watch it for free. This is hardly a great revelation and is the same as any media piracy.
And before anyone says anything, I bought a copy from Locoskates in Brighton, UK, an independent skater run shop. I'd rather pay the £20 than to download some shady torrent and watch it on my grainy PC monitor. Some people obviously don't share the same sentiment.
*ROYALwithCHEESE*
08.04.2011, 06:33
Actually Im watching the torrent on my LCD and it looks HD... ooops
News flash! Some people don't buy into 'support the industry' etc and don't care what or who was involved in the making of the flick, they simply want to watch it for free. This is hardly a great revelation and is the same as any media piracy.
90% of the VHS videos I saw were copies. I'm sure AJ and Broski both had bootleg VHS skate vids.
uncle blake
08.04.2011, 06:41
While I can't answer those questions directly I can tell you that at Bittercold Showdown like 2-3 years ago, I was working the DVD end of the Denial/Genre/NT table and it was so fucking tough to get dudes' to buy 3 video's for $20.
I honestly wish these dude's would have stayed at every single person's house who thinks it's ok to download this video so you could see how fucking hard these dude's worked on this project... Oh, and let's not forget, they fucking did it FOR YOU. They're not exactly get paid big bucks to make this video. Every one of them worked there asses off. They were up and out the door by 10am every day and they were out blading for 10+ hours a day to get clips to make this video happen.
Missing the point Rick but you pretty much answered what I was getting at though. Which is, this was poor business decision. From a realistic point of view, this just sounds like AJ is mad he can't turn a buck off something he feels passionate over.
They can "fucking do for it me" all they want but that is completely irrelevant. Working you ass off is not always working smart.
DanielBond
08.04.2011, 06:52
Jesus/Adam
This is a tricky one. Your video is $20 dollars in the USA and here in the UK its £22.
Thats the equivalent of $36 dollars.
I imagine that you send a bunch of copies over here to a distributor and they mark them up and ship them to the shops and the shops mark them up and sell them to me. Is that right?
Have you considered licensing the DVD to the distributer instead of sending copies over? If you already do this, then fair enough, but 500 copies of a DVD work out at like £2 each over here and they could be sold with the same profit to everyone at a lower price. (You can get a quote on pressing from here, I've used the company to press vinyl and they are great: http://www.mobineko.com/index.php?go=cd_pressing&lang=gl)
I'm not paying £22 for your video. I'd pay what Americans pay, which is about £12 in our money. You can see why its being torrented around the world - only Americans can probably get it a decent price, let alone get it at all.
I hope that makes sense.
*ROYALwithCHEESE*
08.04.2011, 07:33
Jesus/Adam
This is a tricky one. Your video is $20 dollars in the USA and here in the UK its £22.
Thats the equivalent of $36 dollars.
I imagine that you send a bunch of copies over here to a distributor and they mark them up and ship them to the shops and the shops mark them up and sell them to me. Is that right?
Have you considered licensing the DVD to the distributer instead of sending copies over? If you already do this, then fair enough, but 500 copies of a DVD work out at like £2 each over here and they could be sold with the same profit to everyone at a lower price. (You can get a quote on pressing from here, I've used the company to press vinyl and they are great: http://www.mobineko.com/index.php?go=cd_pressing&lang=gl)
I'm not paying £22 for your video. I'd pay what Americans pay, which is about £12 in our money. You can see why its being torrented around the world - only Americans can probably get it a decent price, let alone get it at all.
I hope that makes sense.
uhhh dvd's here are $40-$50.....quit your bitchin
fast eddie
08.04.2011, 07:44
uhhh dvd's here are $40-$50.....quit your bitchin
Holy shit :shock:
rollerblazed
08.04.2011, 09:02
i posted a link on TPB to the straight jacket site where you could buy the DVD, i did the same thing with vine st when it leaked.
to be honest i haven't purchased charging, nor have i seen it yet. on my next order to a skateshop though i'll deff be purchasing. so if i download it and watch it in that time, does that make me a rollerhater?
also aj, get your buddy brazilllo to put charging on freestyle culture, i already bought one video off there (sideshow rodeo) and was impressed with how awesome the quality was
also aj, get your buddy brazilllo to put charging on freestyle culture, i already bought one video off there (sideshow rodeo) and was impressed with how awesome the quality was
Freestyle Culture is cool as long as videos are given the opportunity to be sold through shops first. When you put it online right away its tough for shops to sell the copies they have. Running a skateshop is one of the hardest things to do (to get by on).
bksteezin
08.04.2011, 09:23
Well I don't get paid until next week... I'm going to download it. If I like it, I'll buy it. Simple
fast eddie
08.04.2011, 09:40
freestyle culture
I've never been to that site until just now. Cojo.
greg is cool
08.04.2011, 09:40
blake nailed it. u went in thinking u werent going to make ur money back much less a profit, then get upset when u knew what would happen came true.
It must still seem like a kick in the balls when you do actually work for something, just see it pirated in such a way and so soon after it's release. I can see why AJ would be pissed.
Having said that, I don't buy many dvd's (i don't torrent them either) because they are £20 a go. Thats a lot of money here, especially for a DVD, or even a Blu-Ray. I think DanielBond's idea was a good one, as far as the u.k. goes. Turning a profit is important, but you're going to make even less money if your consumers can't afford to buy your product at all, simply because it's too expensive.
DnEhThEnD
08.04.2011, 10:29
mindgame always seemed to have novemberish releases, that way all of the kiddies got their parents to buy the videos...
by the time they popped up online a month or so later most of the sales were over anyway
coldzombie
08.04.2011, 10:39
I'm going to buy it, not that it will make any difference one more person buying a copy.
chrisbreezyyy
08.04.2011, 11:01
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i79/fitbikerider90/West.jpg
R-MONEY$$$
08.04.2011, 11:15
If there were no torrents, you very well may still have an inventory issue. Pick up the fucking phone and move some DVDs. That is what I would do. There is always something or someone to blame, ESP when you are marketing to bums. Make things happen beyond circumstance, I see the marketing in this post (I appreciate that) and have no sympathy for your excuse of access inventory. No excuses, sell it.
Village Idiot
08.04.2011, 11:19
I live in a fucking third world country (well almost) and earn something under 2000 USD per month, pay 700 USD for rent and utilities monthly. And still, I don't bootleg videos, and buy them at full price in Europe. If I can afford them, I am sure as hell that you can too. Fuck you disrespecting niggers.
greg is cool
08.04.2011, 11:20
companies almost every on this board has stolen from yet not 1 shit is given, and dont play into the they r huge companies who make a ton of money, huge company huge over head, aj video small operation, small over head.
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http://images04.olx.com/ui/8/44/27/1283363622_117143727_1-Pictures-of--BangBros-is-looking-for-Tampas-Hottest-Couples-1283363622.jpg
http://www.wtfmom.com/brazzersnetwork2.gif
http://www.hotindienews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/emi_1.png
the list could go on forever, we all need to stop with this shit, justify stealing from 1 company but not another, when AJ can show all the licenses for the software used to make this video, the music used for the video then ill feel bad, until then, stop acting holy then thou, we all know every is "pirating stuff", AJ just makes a big deal about it, keep ur mouth shut if ur doing the same thing. its like the drug dealer who calls the cops over getting ripped off, ur both fucking wrong.
uncle blake
08.04.2011, 11:33
I live in a fucking third world country (well almost) and earn something under 2000 USD per month, pay 700 USD for rent and utilities monthly. And still, I don't bootleg videos, and buy them at full price in Europe. If I can afford them, I am sure as hell that you can too. Fuck you disrespecting niggers.
It's not about money, it's about getting with the times. I bought Valo (for the 2nd time) on itunes. I plan on purchasing Vine st (on freestyle culture) when I get around to it. As it is now, I have all the skate content I time for through the internet.
Why do I want to pay whatever the price is for something that will get viewed for about a week, and then collect dust with the rest of my dvds (even though I still do). DanBL* & Mathew Shannon already hit the nmail on the head. Know your demographic, and accomodate to them.
Special ED
08.04.2011, 11:36
companies almost every on this board has stolen from yet not 1 shit is given, and dont play into the they r huge companies who make a ton of money, huge company huge over head, aj video small operation, small over head.
http://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/adobe-logo.jpg
http://cdn.pastemagazine.com/www/articles/2010/09/02/apple-logo.jpg?1283430848
http://www.topnews.in/files/sony_logo_1.jpg
http://images04.olx.com/ui/8/44/27/1283363622_117143727_1-Pictures-of--BangBros-is-looking-for-Tampas-Hottest-Couples-1283363622.jpg
http://www.wtfmom.com/brazzersnetwork2.gif
http://www.hotindienews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/emi_1.png
the list could go on forever, we all need to stop with this shit, justify stealing from 1 company but not another, when AJ can show all the licenses for the software used to make this video, the music used for the video then ill feel bad, until then, stop acting holy then thou, we all know every is "pirating stuff", AJ just makes a big deal about it, keep ur mouth shut if ur doing the same thing. its like the drug dealer who calls the cops over getting ripped off, ur both fucking wrong.
Thank you. I didn't want to be the first asshole to say it. But it goes beyond just music rights. In our line of work(media), our overhead goes well beyond keeping the power on. Everything has a fucking license.
AdamPetrov
08.04.2011, 11:43
I'm not trying to be a dick, but OP fucked up huge by posting this. Like others have said, you didn't get rights for the music you used, which was probably downloaded. It's unfortunate that rollerblading has no money, but complaining about Piracy won't get you any further.
Shits already at 20 seeds and its only been up for 2 weeks. In terms of Rollerblading movies, a lot of people are getting this for free.
salomonskater
08.04.2011, 11:55
full 20 bucks?!?! BAHAHAHAHHA why are bladers so fucking cheap? 20 DOLLARS IS NOTHING
20 dollars is something.
Heres my charging section on the house boys! Colin Kelso refuses to hustle for pennies, just take it......
http://vimeo.com/21960825
nostalgic remix section if your old enough to remember:
http://vimeo.com/22137168
:bran^don:
08.04.2011, 12:04
Heres my charging section on the house boys! Colin Kelso refuses to hustle for pennies, just take it......
http://vimeo.com/21960825
ck never fails to bring the lulz :lol:
You fools...
regardless of who downloads this and makes flawless, deinterlaced mp4s for their own use...;););)
Rollerblading will always be around because I want it to be!!!
MITSUBISHI FUJI
08.04.2011, 12:51
I always buy good vids that I'm excited about. I was not too excited about the charging after seeing the trailer like when I saw valo4life or game theory's trailer..they looked really good.
I bought game theory... kinda dissapointed tho!
UnknownPleasures
08.04.2011, 13:07
I'm glad I got my name written on Betty White, I'm glad I supported these guys in the process, and I'm glad I own this DVD, just like every other video AJ ever burned onto a DVD..
Alexandre
08.04.2011, 13:14
I bought game theory... kinda dissapointed tho!
Mathias Silhan ?
+ 1: Freddy White
... (and Chris Farmer profile)
Mathias Silhan ?
+ 1: Freddy White
... (and Chris Farmer profile)
Dont get me wrong... skating was amazing... Mathias Silhans section was insane.
However I don't think I liked any song on the DVD!
It kinda felt like a piss take... Trying to be propa EPIC and failing.
Dont get me wrong... skating was amazing... Mathias Silhans section was insane.
However I don't think I liked any song on the DVD!
It kinda felt like a piss take... Trying to be propa EPIC and failing.
what the fuck is a piss take?
Vince Zywczak
08.04.2011, 13:42
And kill the last remaining skateshops in the process.
I understand supporting skate shops, but if any skate shop is in danger of closing because it cant push 20 of AJ's DVDs, then it was already fucked.
what the fuck is a piss take?
Piss take - To make fun of something, or to question the seriousness of something. E.g. " £20?!?! Are you taking the piss?!"
Piss take - To make fun of something, or to question the seriousness of something. E.g. " £20?!?! Are you taking the piss?!"
Haha epic...
Muppet4Eternity
08.04.2011, 14:35
2 wrongs don't make a right- Just because AJ pirates editing software etc, does not make it OK to leave him broke.
However 3 lefts do- If AJ's left with no DVD's sold, he's left with no money, and you're left with no more straightjackit videos.
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTKHCBdikd4CDVVij5FgBnCa4_dhOujo CwXrogy3fii1UzaHymqMw
I just don't understand who BUYS the dvd and then puts up the torrent. Anyways, skateshops are great and all but digital sales are a must nowadays. So many people have become so lazy and impatient because of the internet.. if they can't buy it with one click they would rather say fuck everyone involved and download the torrent.
UnknownPleasures
08.04.2011, 15:00
Piss take - To make fun of something, or to question the seriousness of something. E.g. " £20?!?! Are you taking the piss?!"
You do know not everyone uses British slang? e.g. the US.
Piss take - To make fun of something, or to question the seriousness of something. E.g. " £20?!?! Are you taking the piss?!"
in the words of the great paco ass dre "You're talking like a damn red coat"
You do know not everyone uses British slang? e.g. the US.
Exactly. I was just clearing up what it meant.
DnEhThEnD
08.04.2011, 15:36
fuck a piss take, do you get it how you live?
bobgross
08.04.2011, 16:11
LAME!!!
taking money out of the pockets of dudes that actually GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ROLLERBLADING.
Holy shit, it's you. :shock:
thrueyesofruby
08.04.2011, 16:21
buy the video kids!
Rickayyy
08.04.2011, 16:33
2 wrongs don't make a right- Just because AJ pirates editing software etc, does not make it OK to leave him broke.
However 3 lefts do- If AJ's left with no DVD's sold, he's left with no money, and you're left with no more straightjackit videos.
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTKHCBdikd4CDVVij5FgBnCa4_dhOujo CwXrogy3fii1UzaHymqMw
It's ok though, no one will complain when there is no more video's to pirate....
al dolega
08.04.2011, 16:56
The whole "£20 is way more than $20" argument seems a bit silly to me, as yes, it's more money in terms of absolute worth (i.e. when converting the currencies), but don't Brits earn roughly the same number of Pounds as Americans earn dollars, in equivalent jobs? Meaning that the price of a video, in terms of hours worked, would be the same for a Brit as a Yank?
Special ED
08.04.2011, 17:06
The whole "£20 is way more than $20" argument seems a bit silly to me, as yes, it's more money in terms of absolute worth (i.e. when converting the currencies), but don't Brits earn roughly the same number of Pounds as Americans earn dollars, in equivalent jobs? Meaning that the price of a video, in terms of hours worked, would be the same for a Brit as a Yank?
Yeah. I just had an aussie crash at my place a month ago. He explained to me that even though things are much more expensive there, income was much higher.
R-MONEY$$$
08.04.2011, 17:06
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to DnEhThEnD again.
Sooner or later rollerblading will shout out "Save us" and Killgore will whisper back....NO!
S_E_N_A_T_E_B_O_Y
08.04.2011, 18:18
Heres my charging section on the house boys! Colin Kelso refuses to hustle for pennies, just take it......
http://vimeo.com/21960825
nostalgic remix section if your old enough to remember:
http://vimeo.com/22137168
That is cool, because I had not previously seen your section. I do not buy videos often, but you really smoked those rocks with your rollerblades CK. Good job!
Dubjeeber
08.04.2011, 18:27
I've been skating 15 years and pretty much all the music I've purchased in that time I got into through skate videos or DVDs.... I used to buy CD's like a motherfucker so that's probably thousands of dollars or so I've spent on music as a result of exposure in a skate video... Sure, editors should probably get rights to music they use, but on the other side of things they do give bands and record labels free promotion... a single song generally isn't a musicians entire body of work and hearing a song on a skate vid may inspire you to buy an album...
If you Torrent a skate dvd you're offering the entire product for free...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I doubt many of you who Downloaded Charg!ng and enjoyed the film went on and bought a copy afterward...
Yeah. I just had an aussie crash at my place a month ago. He explained to me that even though things are much more expensive there, income was much higher.
Yep, Im abit pissed we can no longer come over to the US on holiday and buy all the latest goodies and take them back with a huge discount. I remember only say 5 years back when we went on a school trip, everyone was cashing in on America's shit economy getting iPods and portable games console for fuck all.
http://blog.therealtechn9ne.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/sq-tech-9ine-fti.jpg
Oh, Jesus.
http://www.indiefilmresources.com/?p=401
I've been skating 15 years and pretty much all the music I've purchased in that time I got into through skate videos or DVDs.... I used to buy CD's like a motherfucker so that's probably thousands of dollars or so I've spent on music as a result of exposure in a skate video... Sure, editors should probably get rights to music they use, but on the other side of things they do give bands and record labels free promotion... a single song generally isn't a musicians entire body of work and hearing a song on a skate vid may inspire you to buy an album...
If you Torrent a skate dvd you're offering the entire product for free...
Well you'd be in the minority. Watch a skate video, come across a song you like, google it, and then DL it. It's free promotion for some of the lesser known music yeah, but it doesn't lead to much since that shit is going to be DLed as well.
In the end rollerbladers are talked into buying videos to support the industry. We're a small community so if we steal from some1 in our community, it's kinda fucked up. If people weren't gonna buy it anyway, then not much harm is done. If you want to buy the video to support the industry, you're going to do it whether it's available for free to DL or not. But the bottom line is, you shouldn't rely on dvds/blu-rays to make money and shops sure as hell don't. Videos are more about promotion than they are making a profit. Most videos we see are used to promote something bigger I.E. skates, clothes, wheels, frames, etc. Ppl might DL the videos but they're still buying the product the video is promoting, the shit that actually makes money.
Rollerbladers need to get fucking jobs. It's 20 dollars for a fucking video, that's nothing. If 20 dollars is a lot of money to you, then you need to figure it the fuck out.
brett dasovic
09.04.2011, 00:30
I make very VERY little money, on top of that, I lost all my money at bittercold, that was my fault, no excuses there, I got the money someone owed me to survive for the weekend and was MORE than happy to spend 20 of the 65 bucks I had on CHARGING. I respect the passion, the work ethic, the talent and the general vibe that these dudes bring to our sport. We are lucky to have guys like AJ making videos and the incredibly talented dudes he is making the videos of. Logic this in anyway you want to, but if you wanna support a group of people that are doing everything they can to bring some talent, quality and love to our sport...than i recommend you all buy what AJ and company are putting out for you.
again, I feel that bladers should be pumped to know that someone so devoted is sticking by our sport and helping what do, every single damn day.
That is just my take on the matter, think whatever you want kids.
You do know not everyone uses British slang? e.g. Ignorant Americans,.
Fixed.
i support rollerblading because if i didnt i wouldnt have an identity :(
buy shit you faggots.
Alex Coe
09.04.2011, 01:57
I thought using kickstarter was a way to make your investment back before you start the project. What happened there? Didn't the skating community already step up to support, or no?
*ROYALwithCHEESE*
09.04.2011, 02:36
Its fucking AJ's fault....
dumbass should be making fixed gear videos
DanielBond
09.04.2011, 04:57
The whole "£20 is way more than $20" argument seems a bit silly to me, as yes, it's more money in terms of absolute worth (i.e. when converting the currencies), but don't Brits earn roughly the same number of Pounds as Americans earn dollars, in equivalent jobs? Meaning that the price of a video, in terms of hours worked, would be the same for a Brit as a Yank?
Its possibly correct what you say, but when skate videos are almost twice the price of hollywood blockbuster videos, then something makes it difficult to see what you are getting for your money.
I still don't understand why distributers in each country don't press their own DVDs. The costs are so low for pressing DVDs and it would bring the costs down without damaging anyones bottom line.
I feel this would work equally well with screen printed skate shirts/sweaters as well as some possibly even magazine distribution (if the numbers made printing worth it).
Dubjeeber
09.04.2011, 06:53
[QUOTE=nameant;724320]Well you'd be in the minority. Watch a skate video, come across a song you like, google it, and then DL it. It's free promotion for some of the lesser known music yeah, but it doesn't lead to much since that shit is going to be DLed as well.
This is true... Most peeps today probly torrent the dvd, then torrent all the music they liked from it... My point was more to illustrate the diff between AJ using music w'out permission and torrenting whole films... If AJ uses a song, he's not personally uploading it onto Soulseek or wherever so people can get it free, he's also not using any particular musican to specifically sell his product... We buy vids because of the skaters featured not because a tune by so and so is used at some point... I just don't think it fair for people to say "Well AJ, you arn't getting rights to the music you use, so fuck you, i'm going to upload and distribute a years worth of your effort on principle"
Then again, I'm pretty 20th century as far as media is concerned...I just checked my collection and realised I purchased 16 skate DVDs in the last twelve months...
fast eddie
09.04.2011, 08:11
as well as some possibly even magazine distribution (if the numbers made printing worth it).
No, it's always cheaper to produce a larger volume at one location than splitting it between printers. Volume discounts through mailing services also must be taken into consideration.
Oh, I can download it?
Hee, kidding.
Support you local skateshop, err mailorder place. If you don't then don't.
I just don't understand who BUYS the dvd and then puts up the torrent. Anyways, skateshops are great and all but digital sales are a must nowadays. So many people have become so lazy and impatient because of the internet.. if they can't buy it with one click they would rather say fuck everyone involved and download the torrent.
Smart wordsdude, very smart. Copy pasted to my favorite shop owner.
CerealGuy
09.04.2011, 11:23
No one can deny that Be-mag is the backbone of our community..
But how many people would still use be-mag if it was members only and cost $20 a month?
Be-mag provides much more than a dvd does!
Could Be-mag do some kind of non recordable live streaming of videos? Accessible only by members and then pay the people who made it according to how many hits it gets.
Did AJ pay be-mag to start this thread? If yes then ignore the next 3 lines.
The reason I ask is because before this thread I had no idea the video existed...
so whether he meant to or not, he used Be-mag as an advertiser...
I hope he is paying for this exposure.
I heard the 2 wrongs don't make a right thing...
That's true however doing the wrong thing (stealing music to make something of yours better and more appealing to buyers) then complaining about other people doing the wrong thing (stealing the thing you made) is being hypocritical.
It's OK to steal music because the artists are not part of our community... WTF
Distribution is so bad I"ll never have a chance to see the video if I don't download it...
Here's a few ideas for next time.
1. Don't use music or editing software that you have stolen in order to make a profit.
2. Distribute the video to all shops, NOT JUST USA, before release date (stores have it but are not allowed to sell it yet) That way kids can anticipate the sale, save up the cash, go to the store on the release date and buy the fecking thing.
provided there is a local skate shop in their area.
3. sell on i-tunes!
THEN if it's uploaded to torrent sites then you will be safe to complain about it.
black kettle is black.
blowakilo
09.04.2011, 11:49
As fucked up as this may sound, this is one of the fastest torrents I've had in a coons age.
edit
I didn't read any of the thread beyond the first few posts, but did AJ ever come on here and actually say "Yes Be-mag, I stole all of the software I used to edit this movie"? Hopefully this is not just an assumption as I'm sure you can all see the fault in that.
shit be viral...
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3812/screenshot20110410at215.png
i support rollerblading because if i didnt i wouldnt have an identity :(
buy shit you faggots.
who the fuck has that much sway?
and wtf do you mean homophobic?
pussy.
UnknownPleasures
09.04.2011, 12:48
Fixed.
Forgive me for being so ignorant as to not know all terms used by all countries of the world...
Alex Millerd
09.04.2011, 13:03
Everyone seems to have the answer, some of these are great lols.
xGREENxCLOVERx
09.04.2011, 13:26
Maybe AJ's got beef with someone and this is a game of sabotage?
StarScream
09.04.2011, 16:15
is the Torrent HD?
otherwise i better wait for the Blueray,
but since it wont get distributed to switzerland i won't see it.
:(
making videos available on itunes won't kill skateshops. last time i checked you can't download a set of wheels.
AJ's loyalty to shops is shooting himself in the foot... herpa derp :(
making videos available on itunes won't kill skateshops. last time i checked you can't download a set of wheels.
there's a torrent for that, we calls em face wheels
little known fact: the "face" that "face wheels" refers to is actually this face http://cdn2.knowyourmeme.com/system/icons/2252/original/me-gusta.png?1300420314
p.s. i bought charging after you made this I LOVE YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU AJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ
Matthew Shannon
09.04.2011, 20:17
full 20 bucks?!?! BAHAHAHAHHA why are bladers so fucking cheap? 20 DOLLARS IS NOTHING
i have no problem at all paying 20 bucks for a video. but some people would rather only pay 5 and watch it on the computer. I prefer the TV because its easier to see whats going on and the quality is better. just saying digital is a smart business move
On a side note, I was suprised to not see one single negetive acid from Farmer. What's up with that?
Mudhut Jollyrancher
09.04.2011, 22:01
On a side note, I was suprised to not see one single negetive acid from Farmer. What's up with that?
he is done with negatives, he said that a while ago
Mudhut Jollyrancher
09.04.2011, 22:01
http://stabyourselfintheface.com/2009/04/02/shocking-interview-chris-farmer-gets-tanked-and-doesnt-do-negatives/#more-264
*ROYALwithCHEESE*
09.04.2011, 22:07
making videos available on itunes won't kill skateshops. last time i checked you can't download a set of wheels.
soon
http://www.desktopfactory.com/images/our_product/df_printer_proto.jpg
he is done with negatives, he said that a while ago
lame
lame
No, it's awesome. Negatives are the ugliest-looking tricks in rollerblading and now that he doesn't do them hopefully everybody else will stop doing them as well.
No, it's awesome. Negatives are the ugliest-looking tricks in rollerblading and now that he doesn't do them hopefully everybody else will stop doing them as well.
Nope. Negetive acid > acid
The whole "£20 is way more than $20" argument seems a bit silly to me, as yes, it's more money in terms of absolute worth (i.e. when converting the currencies), but don't Brits earn roughly the same number of Pounds as Americans earn dollars, in equivalent jobs? Meaning that the price of a video, in terms of hours worked, would be the same for a Brit as a Yank?
maybe it works for brits, but I have to work 10 hours to earn money for a skating dvd
don't even ask how many hours for a pair of skates :?
No, it's awesome. Negatives are the ugliest-looking tricks in rollerblading and now that he doesn't do them hopefully everybody else will stop doing them as well.
You're stupid.
Let's look for a second at the bright side. good news is that most of the skaters featured in the video are on the street artist team. It really is great advertising. And to think, lots of people bought that advertising for 20 bucks! Double score!
John_Dillingham
10.04.2011, 11:16
I paid a little before I knew there would be a bluray version. Now I'm in a situation where I got what I wanted but maybe I want it on my computer too. Would it be wrong for me to just grab the torrent and get the SD version? (that's called grey area kids)
Also AJ, you can't be too angry about this, I mean you were giving them away at an airport. More than likely a geek got a hold of a copy and figured it's a free promo DVD for SJD.
For me, as an artist, my main goal is to get as many people to see my creations rather than as much money as possible out of them. I would be honored if one of my edits/DVDs ended up on a torrent site...
It's a business risk you should be prepared for, especially to the demographic you are selling to.
It's a business risk you should be prepared for, especially to the demographic you are selling to.
And how exactly do you prepare for it, Mr. Business Genius? The only way to completely prevent piracy is to not make anything at all.
RollingOver30
10.04.2011, 15:02
The feelings being caught in here are epic. Like a bunch of females.
I downloaded the torrent in case I lose my paid copy. :)
And how exactly do you prepare for it, Mr. Business Genius? The only way to completely prevent piracy is to not make anything at all.
Ok. Business risk, in this case can be quantified as his investment. Along with that the problem is that he now has surplus inventory.
So, piracy, is the "means by which" the risk occurs. The actual risk is not recouping investment and making a profit. That profit can then be used for his goals of making more videos, going on tours or whatever..
As you said, you can't prevent piracy and I agree with that.
Here are few quick options.
1. Don't engage in business where you can't handle the downside risk. In this case, don't make the video at all. Obviously, this option is not what you or bemag want to hear. But it is a realistic business decision. (This is where incentives come out. There are financial incentives, then there are "love of the sport" incentives. If it is the latter, than really, he should not be complaining about losing money/surplus inventory).
2. Forecast sales. He has the experience to do so and to factor in piracy. I'm sure you can make a basic model for this with the sufficient data, which again, I would assume he would have.
3. Just-in-time inventory. Producing DVDs is very cheap, and working on volume does save money. However, paying the premium for a JIT strategy can act as a hedge against him having a surplus inventory. It obviously won't recoup the fixed costs of the video (tour, filming, etc).
4. Think of a new business model. There are several ideas that I think would be hard and time consuming to accomplish with our market, but not impossible.
I feel his pain, he loves rollerblading, and he's right, the incentive is being taken away to produce such videos. But as someone running a business, don't go complain about it on a messageboard, change the way you are doing things and work it out.
Rickayyy
10.04.2011, 16:10
I love how everyone is acting like the torrent wouldn't exist if there was a digital copy for sale on some website. All of you faggots would have still downloaded the torrent even if you could pay $5 and buy a digital copy.
It's all good though, I'm sure there won't be many more of these threads since AJ is probably done making blade video's now... Just like Majette, Joe Navran, Carl Sturgess, DAP, and pretty much every other dude who made blade videos.
I love how you kids seem to think that "having love for the sport" and "making money" have to be mutually exclusive. This is why people who contribute great things to the sport (either by skating, making media or products) leave as they get older and have to face real life. You can't live in the fantasy world where you do things solely "for the love" when mommy and daddy are no longer sponsoring you.
Black Fabric
10.04.2011, 23:18
I don't care what your excuse is.. If you didn't buy the video you're a broke punk-bitch. Especially since half of you be-mag geeks are always telling industry heads how to run their businesses, the least you could do is show some respect and support when someone is actually doing good business within our community.
p.s. got my AB cords on right now that I PAID FOR. Support AJ or go push wood.
Black Fabric
10.04.2011, 23:19
I love how everyone is acting like the torrent wouldn't exist if there was a digital copy for sale on some website. All of you faggots would have still downloaded the torrent even if you could pay $5 and buy a digital copy.
It's all good though, I'm sure there won't be many more of these threads since AJ is probably done making blade video's now... Just like Majette, Joe Navran, Carl Sturgess, DAP, and pretty much every other dude who made blade videos.
I am done as well.. though I'm sure this is good news to the majority of you.
jonathan
10.04.2011, 23:33
I am done as well.. though I'm sure this is good news to the majority of you.
No... it's not.
I watched too faded last night and came to the realization that you made some of the best videos of all time and it's sad that you're probably not going to make another one.
How have you boners not learned anything from the movie and music industries? You guys act so offended that rollerbladers are doing what they routinely do with every other form of media.
Go start another t-shirt company, as far as I know you can't download those yet.
It's not about stopping torrents from happening, that is impossible, it's about taking those who download the video as potential customers.
Let's take a look at what a torrent offers someone:
1) Quick or slow download speeds (50/50) depends on the amount of people seeding etc
2) High or semi shit quality (50/50) depends on the competency of the person who ripped the DVD
3) A potential virus (probably a low percentage, but stranger things have happened)
Let's take a look at what a digital download at 5-10 dollars could offer.
1) Guaranteed speedy delivery of content
2) Guaranteed high quality
3) Perks
This is where you demonstrate your worth as a business person. Do you:
1) Put a mid-quality version up for sale a couple days before the DVD comes out?
2) w/hold DVD bonus features for the actual DVD
3) Put up exclusive web content for those who purchased the digital version or the DVD. Perhaps a password comes in the case of the DVD or in an email to those who downloaded the digital version and for a month or so you release some, MAKING OF stuff or something.
4) Offer a discount/send some free crap to anyone who purchases both the digital version and the DVD?
By providing a cheaper digital download, you may get many people who double purchase, simply because it's easier to pop in your debit card number and download the video for 5 dollars, rather than ripping it.
There are countless solutions to the problem. It just takes some extra work. You can't simply use business practices from the late 90s any longer. DVD sales should only be part of your means of making money off of a video project, not the SOLE means. I mean think about this for a moment, steam, valve's digital distribution software for video games, makes more sales than xbox360, ps3, and the wii. Sure torrents exist for pc games, but they've overcome the problem by creating a safer, more reliable means of obtaining the games people want.
TOY STORY 3 IS ALREADY ON FUCKING NET FLIX. Remember when it used to take 6 months for a movie to make it to DVD? Well, those days are over people.
randy lahey
11.04.2011, 00:46
what is the point of this thread? this sticky is basically an advertisement for how to get charging for free; i wasn't even aware of a torrent before this thread, and where to get it is mentioned in the title!
MyGlockGoPopPopPop
11.04.2011, 01:07
I am done as well.. though I'm sure this is good news to the majority of you.
This sucks to hear from you man, though I can't say I blame you.
God fucking damn it I hate rollerbladers.
Bassimastprime
11.04.2011, 01:42
How have you boners not learned anything from the movie and music industries? You guys act so offended that rollerbladers are doing what they routinely do with every other form of media.
Go start another t-shirt company, as far as I know you can't download those yet.
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It's unavoidable, but what you can do to ensure more profit is release it on itunes, or purchase for digital download on top of making less physical dvds. If people have the option to pay maybe 50% less and download it online they will do it. Especially if they live no where near a skateshop. If rollerblade video graphers are to survive, a blend in the media is necessary.
This got stickied? Must be something worth reading in here.
Until the AM I will have nightmares of sugar plum fairies.
CerealGuy
11.04.2011, 06:02
i don't want a hard copy of it... i only want to watch skate vids on my i-phone which means you pay extra to make the disc, i pay extra to buy the disc and i then i have to remove it from the disc to put on the i-phone.. waste of your time and mine!
why are you so against selling it digitally?
you're right it wont stop people getting it for free but it wont make it easier either!
sharkyROL
11.04.2011, 06:51
why are you so against selling it digitally?
Music rights.
CerealGuy
11.04.2011, 06:52
Music rights.
BAHAHAHA and we have come full circle.
sharkyROL
11.04.2011, 06:58
Valo is doing it right.
Alexandre
11.04.2011, 07:06
what is the point of this thread? this sticky is basically an advertisement for how to get charging for free; i wasn't even aware of a torrent before this thread, and where to get it is mentioned in the title!
or free advertisement for Vibralux and Street Urethane products ?
Music rights.
http://assets.head-fi.org/0/03/03def03d_OhSnapBear.jpg
StarScream
11.04.2011, 07:19
http://assets.head-fi.org/0/03/03def03d_OhSnapBear.jpg
that made me LOL
If I didn't live in a shit country I'd actually rent the valo off of itunes. My itunes store has no valo. Possibly I'm to retarded to find it maybe. Its happened before.
greg is cool
11.04.2011, 09:37
Music rights.
yet AJ refuses to acknowledge he steals digital media as well as others I.P to make his videos. Hes no robin hood, no skate video makers r, and we r not great people for pirating his shit, were all a bunch of assholes who swear we dont smell like shit.
Freddy White
11.04.2011, 09:45
i better wait for the Blueray,
but since it wont get distributed to switzerland i won't see it.
Blu-Ray copies should make it to Europe this week.
I'm sure Rolling Rock could order one copy for you Claudio.
If only they wanted...
andreas542
11.04.2011, 09:47
Read first page, posting with lack of knowledge.
Point that has probably already been made in thread: people will never stop filming videos, regardless of whether they can't even sell a single one.
RollingOver30
11.04.2011, 10:47
I find it comedic that AJ hasn't addressed the music licensing or if the movie was made on software with valid licenses,
How many believe he bought every mp3 he has on his personal iPod off iTunes? How many believe AJ did this solely for US? He did this for profit, if not and it was for the "love" then this thread would never have been made and he would be happy the movie is being watched at all.
....since its for profit, I don't feel bad after him trying to guilt trip people into buying a movie that was kind of a letdown anyway. Great movie but they spend too much time hyping up shit and naturally never lives up to the hype. Same with Game Theory. Great movies for sure don't get me wrong, I'm just saying. When people get hyped, spend money and get let down, that next time why would you spend money on something that doesn't live up to the hype.
Bottom line is, we ALL are digital thieves on some level and he's just mad its happening to HIM and HIS MONEY.
Here's 2 things they taught me in the Marines the T/S might want to follow.
1. Prior Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
2. Adapt and Overcome
jonathan
11.04.2011, 11:05
I find it comedic that AJ hasn't addressed the music licensing or if the movie was made on software with valid licenses,
How many believe he bought every mp3 he has on his personal iPod off iTunes? How many believe AJ did this solely for US? He did this for profit, if not and it was for the "love" then this thread would never have been made and he would be happy the movie is being watched at all.
....since its for profit, I don't feel bad after him trying to guilt trip people into buying a movie that was kind of a letdown anyway. Great movie but they spend too much time hyping up shit and naturally never lives up to the hype. Same with Game Theory. Great movies for sure don't get me wrong, I'm just saying. When people get hyped, spend money and get let down, that next time why would you spend money on something that doesn't live up to the hype.
Bottom line is, we ALL are digital thieves on some level and he's just mad its happening to HIM and HIS MONEY.
Here's 2 things they taught me in the Marines the T/S might want to follow.
1. Prior Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
2. Adapt and Overcome
... I buy all of my music. I have a rather large CD collection still. Since most of the record stores near my area closed down (the good ones that is), I've had to resort to downloading that shit on itnues. Itunes makes it pretty hard for me to listen to the shit though because it requires me to type a password in almost every week to listen to my music or if I transfer something to my ipod. kinda gay but whatever.
I also don't understand how every keeps claiming Adam isn't buying his software. He's been a legit company for how many years? If he bought the software, he probably got it paid back with tax right offs. That isn't stealing. That's doing it right.
jonathan
11.04.2011, 11:06
Also, I have a bang bros account. You don't have to steal porn after you get that. Trust me.
You drove around the country in a van and asked for financial support to make it happen. Did you really think you'd make a lot of money off this? I'd be surprised if you broke even when factoring in all the costs of fuel, food, etc. This video will promote your brands which will bring you more money than a video anyway.
DanielBond
11.04.2011, 11:12
... I buy all of my music. I have a rather large CD collection still. Since most of the record stores near my area closed down (the good ones that is), I've had to resort to downloading that shit on itnues. Itunes makes it pretty hard for me to listen to the shit though because it requires me to type a password in almost every week to listen to my music or if I transfer something to my ipod. kinda gay but whatever.
I also don't understand how every keeps claiming Adam isn't buying his software. He's been a legit company for how many years? If he bought the software, he probably got it paid back with tax right offs. That isn't stealing. That's doing it right.
This thread is about AJ.
I think its totally irrelevant if he made this video on pirated software or with pirated music. This is about the skating and how its being given away for free. I really think some of the suggestions in this thread (licensing the video, Downloadable content, itunes availability etc) is totally valid and a great way to make your money back on your investment. I hope someone takes note for future releases.
Special ED
11.04.2011, 11:16
I find it comedic that AJ hasn't addressed the music licensing or if the movie was made on software with valid licenses,
How many believe he bought every mp3 he has on his personal iPod off iTunes? How many believe AJ did this solely for US? He did this for profit, if not and it was for the "love" then this thread would never have been made and he would be happy the movie is being watched at all.
....since its for profit, I don't feel bad after him trying to guilt trip people into buying a movie that was kind of a letdown anyway. Great movie but they spend too much time hyping up shit and naturally never lives up to the hype. Same with Game Theory. Great movies for sure don't get me wrong, I'm just saying. When people get hyped, spend money and get let down, that next time why would you spend money on something that doesn't live up to the hype.
Bottom line is, we ALL are digital thieves on some level and he's just mad its happening to HIM and HIS MONEY.
Here's 2 things they taught me in the Marines the T/S might want to follow.
1. Prior Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
2. Adapt and Overcome
Ah yes, the ol PPPPPPP and A&O technique.
I do find it funny that videos are made with absolute shit quality music. An MP3 is the worst form of audio on the planet, might as well be listening to it through a 1 speaker alarm clock. I noticed a thread for the new Beastie Boys song MP3 download. I have yet to get my copy because my station's music director has been unable to send me the 40mb WAV file.
Music shouldn't be ripped or downloaded in any production that is going to be sold. It should be recorded into the session real time off of CD, tape, or preferably record to ensure that you are getting the most quality possible out of it. It gets down to my core that so many videos have used MP3s, especially pirated ones, in skate videos. I am not going to name them, but a good number of films I have seen in recent years have done this because no one thinks about the fact that a lot of artists purposefully release bad mixes online, just to create confusion.
My rant is over. But I really don't buy/watch blading flicks for the time being. Digital has thinned out the quality across the board when it comes to most aspects of media.
greg is cool
11.04.2011, 11:18
This thread is about AJ.
I think its totally irrelevant if he made this video on pirated software or with pirated music. This is about the skating and how its being given away for free. I really think some of the suggestions in this thread (licensing the video, Downloadable content, itunes availability etc) is totally valid and a great way to make your money back on your investment. I hope someone takes note for future releases.
this is about AJ, how he steals then bitches when he gets stolen from. it costs way more to make the final cut suite of applications then it does to make charging, sorry. fuck FCP is cheap compared to the adobe collection of apps, that shit is through the roof to buy, plus god knows how much it cost in development.
even though jonathon ur not subscribing to my sites, im glad u buy ur porn, that shit is no where near free to produce, and companies like redtube and such just steal from us and post it up on their sites for a profit.
I think its totally irrelevant if he made this video on pirated software or with pirated music.
Truth. Typical be-mag finding anything in something to hate on.
xGREENxCLOVERx
11.04.2011, 12:07
Whose bed were they jumping on in that mock Cribs edit? I bet the bed's owner is the pirate. Ya can't be fuxin' wit peoples' beds behind their backs n' shit!
Bassimastprime
11.04.2011, 13:13
Truth. Typical be-mag finding anything in something to hate on.
ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID IT'S ENTIRELY RELEVANT.
This is why I don't go on Be-Mag much anymore. Fucking Christ facepalm.
RollingOver30
11.04.2011, 13:16
I think its totally irrelevant if he made this video on pirated software or with pirated music.
Truth. Typical be-mag finding anything in something to hate on.
Hahahahaha.....you're seriously saying him stealing software to make a movie and then bitching after his movie itself gets stolen is irrelevant? Sounds like he's getting a taste of his own medicine.
rastaman_dreadlock
11.04.2011, 14:25
"There is no UP on the Internet. There is only DOWN"
Stop complaining about piracy, try to turn your brains "ON" and find another way to earn the money! Don't you realize yet that this way is not working anymore? You can not sell a decent amount of movies on DVD
I just dont see a viable way to profit from a rollerblading video. The motivation to produce a video should be because you want to use it as a marketing tool to promote the thing you love to do. To pay for the production you should use your equipment and skill to make money in other ways. Commercial, wedding, coverage, whatever. Yes it would be fantastic to just film rollerblading all the time but that just isnt going to happen. Make your money doing other profitable work then use that to fund your rolling trips and equipment. If you dont have the equipment to get started in the first place, get a deposit for a service and rent at somewhere like lensrentals.com Or, your rollerblading products should be producing enough income to keep your promotional tours going. That should be your purpose, for promotion of you goods through direct contact with the people who buy your products. Again, having meet and greets is no where as rockstar as doing your own thing but that's just the reality of business.
Rickayyy
11.04.2011, 15:50
AJ hasn't posted in this thread other then the original post and the last one, neither addressed any of your responses. None of you know if you bought the songs used or if he actually purchased FCP.
Digital sales aren't going to stop piracy. Anyone who downloaded it for free still would have even if they could buy it off iTunes.
And not all porn on those sites is stolen. XTube and Yuvutu are full of video's uploaded by the people who make them in their bedrooms and shit.
In conclusion, fuck all of you telling the owners of companies how to run their businesses. Blading doesn't work like the rest of the world because it's run by people who truly love blading. I can pretty much guarantee that most every company in blading would be told to close up shop by anyone lawyer or business savy person.
jonathan
11.04.2011, 16:11
AJ hasn't posted in this thread other then the original post and the last one, neither addressed any of your responses. None of you know if you bought the songs used or if he actually purchased FCP.
Digital sales aren't going to stop piracy. Anyone who downloaded it for free still would have even if they could buy it off iTunes.
And not all porn on those sites is stolen. XTube and Yuvutu are full of video's uploaded by the people who make them in their bedrooms and shit.
In conclusion, fuck all of you telling the owners of companies how to run their businesses. Blading doesn't work like the rest of the world because it's run by people who truly love blading. I can pretty much guarantee that most every company in blading would be told to close up shop by anyone lawyer or business savy person.
This times a million.
RollingOver30
11.04.2011, 18:04
so why hasn't AJ responded? It would be pretty damn easy to come in and say everything is legit in his movies......but he isn't because it's NOT!
How much do you think it would be to use that Brad Pitt dialogue from Fight Club? A FUCKING SHIT TON! So instead....he stole it for his use.
Tell me again he's a rollerblader though, I might feel sorry for him after hearing it a couple more times.
he's too busy updating fb and tumblr ;)
People like Rickayyy are interesting. Your gut feeling that every pirate is simply a thief and there is no way to turn them into sales is simply wrong. It's been proven wrong, evidence via the music, movie, and game industries inform us otherwise. While some people may still download something illegally, that does not mean that there wouldn't be any overlap. By not attempting to sell your DIGITAL VIDEO via DIGITAL MEANS you have essentially decided to ignore the internet as a whole(you have no chance of turning/competing with pirates without an internet presence). I'll go as far as to say it makes AJ ignorant, not in all aspects of life (his videos kick ass) but certainly in his business practices. I hate to say that, especially because charging has become my favorite blade video of all time. It's simply a fact =/.
I'll bring up one more example that can act as an analogy for this situation.
The Museum of Natural History (as well as several other museums in New York and across the country) has a suggested visitation fee. This means that you can show up to the museum and say, I'm not paying anything and receive a ticket to enter the museum free of charge. However, MOST people still pay. The majority of people pay for the experience they receive, perhaps not the full suggested price, but they still pay something. On top of that the museum has special exhibits and imax movies which you are required to buy a separate ticket for. These *bonus features* bring in lots of money.
Take it for what you will, I just hope in the future key people in our industry choose to update their business models to ensure they don't suffer any losses. I think it's clear that valo and usd are both keeping up with the times both in their unique ways.
macon deals
11.04.2011, 21:26
leap of faith?
Timothy James Kelly
11.04.2011, 22:12
I don't know why anyone would care if AJ selfishly stopped making videos, because other people besides him will still continue to make videos, and everyone he films will still be skating but just for other peoples cameras.
people who say that digital downloads dont sell are all shit, the VALO4Life vid had previously leaked and was still succesful on itunes, and even then on Itunes it wasnt even available worldwide. I spent ages trying to find a digital download for charg!ng since i really wanted to see it, couldnt find it anywhere. I cant justify spending $49us dollars to get charg!ing (shipped to nz) which would also take around two weeks. There are bladers all over the world who wont find it easy or cheap to watch or get the vid, so why not try and capitalise on it and make digital downloads avaliable from the get go. chances are its going to find its way on the internet quick anyway as people who really want to see the vid but cant are gonna find a place to download it. Theres even a private torrent site dedicated to extreme sports video torrents in which NIMH,Game Theory, Vine ST and Valo4life all leaked first. Its like this in all industrys now - music,gaming,movies . I for one wouldnt have thought twice about paying 10 - 15 bucks for a digital version of charg!ng. The download option is the only way im gonna get to see this vid for less than 60-70 nz dollars. Why dont you chuck up your paypal address AJ and ask for some donations for people who have downloaded the ViD or put up a digital version that people can buy ASAP
I don't know why anyone would care if AJ selfishly stopped making videos, because other people besides him will still continue to make videos, and everyone he films will still be skating but just for other peoples cameras.
I think you might be underestimating the influence AJ has on the people he films. Dude doesn't just turn on the camera when your favorite pro blader is ready to do their trick. He will often suggest a cooler way to do the trick or a different idea on how to approach/come out of the trick. And he definitely doesn't let people settle for half-assed moves. That shit gets done right, or he doesn't use it. There have been sooo many bladers I've seen sections of where I'd think how much better some of the tricks would be if they had AJ filming them.
not to mention his weiner is huge
i'm sure you of all people would appreciate that TJK
Bassimastprime
12.04.2011, 01:52
YEAH
Bassimastprime
12.04.2011, 01:59
LOL, I'LL PAY YOU FOR THAT POOP.
Bassimastprime
12.04.2011, 02:00
JK. TORRENT.
Bassimastprime
12.04.2011, 02:00
WTF WHY YOU STEALIN MY POOP?
Bassimastprime
12.04.2011, 02:00
BECAUSE YOU STOLE THE FOOD TO MAKE THAT POOP.
Bassimastprime
12.04.2011, 02:00
/thread.
StarScream
12.04.2011, 02:08
Blu-Ray copies should make it to Europe this week.
I'm sure Rolling Rock could order one copy for you Claudio.
If only they wanted...
who iz distributor?
*ROYALwithCHEESE*
12.04.2011, 07:32
that 'pay whatever you want idea's bullshit because both Radiohead and girltalk had people posting messages 'hahaha I didnt pay shit ' etc etc...
But yes we should have digital copies available.
Out of every video out that I've seen charging would be the worst and vine street would be the best. I'm going to buy vine street, ill only payh like 5 bucks for charging.
pretty sure there was the possibility of UK/Ireland distribution for the dvd but the deal went sour for reasons my hazy memory can't recall. it's a real shame as people here still tend to drop the cash for a good dvd. esp something which is a supposedly as good as charging. it's unavailable here now so the inevitable outcome is cash strapped people are going to torrent it and share with friends. i mean who's going to pay 24 euro plus 10-15 or so shipping to get it from mainland europe..that's easily someone's shopping bill for a week..ain't gonna happen. shot yerself in the foot methinks:/
Black Fabric
12.04.2011, 13:14
p.s. you don't make money selling your video on itunes.
you just get to say "ITS ON ITUNES!"
In reality you should just stick the disc in your comp, hit rip on the pre-existing dvd-to-ipod/ipad app, and you're done.
and what do you know, you still have the disc to play frisbee with.
your missing the point. itunes is a distribution method.
What idiot would buy the dvd and then the itunes version anyway?
I don't care what your excuse is.. If you didn't buy the video you're a broke punk-bitch. Especially since half of you be-mag geeks are always telling industry heads how to run their businesses, the least you could do is show some respect and support when someone is actually doing good business within our community.
p.s. got my AB cords on right now that I PAID FOR. Support AJ or go push wood.
Exactly, get a job you lazy fucks. Get two if you're still poor.
Special ED
12.04.2011, 19:20
p.s. AJ's films have been pure shit lately in comparison. didn't download, won't buy.
what is an urBEN?
13.04.2011, 14:55
For like two seconds I thought that Be-Mag was cool again...(I saw a big bewbs post)
Then I came into this thread and realized everyone on here is fucking retarded.
what is an urBEN?
13.04.2011, 14:59
Also, putting something on iTunes means paying proper royalty and licensing fees to artists/record labels...The credit card comps. get a cut ...Apple gets a cut and then you get your slice.
greg is cool
13.04.2011, 15:31
Also, putting something on iTunes means paying proper royalty and licensing fees to artists/record labels...The credit card comps. get a cut ...Apple gets a cut and then you get your slice.
wait, so AJ would have to pay to use some ones music? Thats crazy man, he can just rip the CD and use it for free, paying for shit is weak.
what is an urBEN?
13.04.2011, 16:19
^^^ I wish there was a 'LIKE" button haha
RollingOver30
13.04.2011, 16:35
I think this thread back fired.
Only found out about it via this thread.. I tend to think these sorta threads do more bad than good. Takes 1 in thousands to do something silly and dumb like put a torrent on the net when someone is doing good for rollerblading, but be-mag is an audience of thousands and i'm sure this post wont do it any favors.
Flintheart Glomgold
13.04.2011, 19:07
Just throwing in my 2 cents
Charg!ng is one of the best blading flicks of all time, and far and away has the best skating of any video in history.
i just watched it for the first time
best film i have seen since VG
Boris from Russia
14.04.2011, 02:26
Just got 50 copies from the post-office for the local shop. Fux da pirates!!1
Go buy that shit, Sean Kelso section in bonus is fucking iiiillll! So is Fish! Basically everyone in this video killed shit with new level of tricks and style.
http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/4457/110414112507.jpg
Having this epic DVD on your shelf 5 years after today will feel like having WORDS DVD right now, which is almost surreal.
Kronolynx
14.04.2011, 02:48
I live in a fucking third world country (well almost) and earn something under 2000 USD per month, pay 700 USD for rent and utilities monthly. And still, I don't bootleg videos, and buy them at full price in Europe. If I can afford them, I am sure as hell that you can too. Fuck you disrespecting niggers.
u complain too much i actually do live in a country where the average income is 212 dollars and when the average income is so low , it's hard to take out 20 dollars.
even the economy here is way worse, i wanted to buy the dvd valo 4 life just to support the brand but it was way too expensive, while in the US u can buy it with 9 dollars or something like that from itunes, in many countries in eastern europe we have to order from germany or poland n the dvd cost 25 euros plus the shipping that usually is 10 to 15 euros , plus cash on delivery that is 7 to 10 euros, that adds up a lot.
45 euros (65 US dollars) charng!ng video in a country with average income 212 US dollars is way too much.
example here:
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/6766/priceshipping.jpg
all this guys here saying is cheap , yeah it may b pocket money in the US but not all the countries are the US.
there is a huge market in latinamerica n in countries in development but u cant sell us with the prices u would sell to a developed country, u could make more money selling many copies at low price than just selling a few at a high price.
about all the people saying that downloading videos will kill the industry , we r not the film industry, as far as i know rollerblading is about skates, the industry is about selling skates, wheels frames, skate parts, that is the real industry, yeah some sell clothes n other accessories but that is not a must for skating, while skates r.
for the past 15 years i have thought skating was all about love not a business (i mean besides for the companies that make skates) , if u want us to pay , come to our cities n do demonstrations n make us pay for stuff.
that if we don't buy the videos the industry wont have money to make more videos, that is sad, i hope the people that live in rich countries buy it n support the dudes making the videos n eventually one day the rest of the world will buy them too when u can offer them in a reasonable price, but even if the big dudes can't make videos that's not a problem cuz everyday there's people making videos, may not b as good as the ones made by pros but r made with love, so there will always b videos to watch.
about the pros i thought they were getting paid by the skate manufacturers to promote the skates , wheels, frames and what is the best way to promote skates ,to show them off to show how good n what amazing things u can make with them, so more new people will want to buy that brand of skates n make the industry keep growing, that is the real industry the one that makes our skates. that is the industry that we can't let die, we need to get new people to buy skates , we need to turn our friends in to rollerbladers.
we are not hollywood, our industry doesn't live from videos, our industry needs videos to b promoted , but if u want to promote something u don't ask people to pay to watch your publicity.
i believe that the big companies should give us videos as a way to promote the sport, this industry need to focus on showing to the world what is to rollerblade , so the skate manufacturing companies can sell more skates then there will be more money to pay the pros and the people that make videos.
i admire the pros, i believe is awesome what they do, even tho i don't consider it hard work, why ? cuz they are doing what they love to do, what they have been doing before they were pros and even if they were not getting paid they would still doing it.
as far as i see in every single video that people say it was hard work i see them partying , drinking n traveling a lot. may not be making a lot of money but they are living a life so many of us wish we could live.
if you want to make profit , sell publicity find more sponsors, find ways to keep it going.
the topic about stealing, well is not like we went to the house of this dude n took all the hard copies from his place , leaving him with nothing. he still has all his copies there( just needs to find a way to sell them ,may b offering something we can't download [posters ,etc]), a lot of the people that download had no intentions of buying since the very beginning, many cuz can't afford to buy it or is overpriced in their countries, but those that have money and don't pay for it is because are cheap bastards.
i also think the dudes that make videos should give us n option to support them like donations or call it whatever u want, where we can send money. i may not have 45 euros to buy a hard copy from the closest skateshop but it doesn't mean i don't want to support.
I get 91c out of 99 for my music on Itunes.
I'll do some research to find the video pricing.
So far I've found out that it's 70/30. 70 for the film maker and 30 for iTunes. Don't know how reliable my source is.
StarScream
14.04.2011, 04:01
can't wait to get the Blueray
Awesome Movie. Made me laugh and fell happy with rollerblading.
CerealGuy
14.04.2011, 07:12
www.grindhouse.eu
Subtotal: 20,97 EUR
Shipping Costs: 35,00 EUR
Total: 55,97 EUR
Agressive Mall
Subtotal: $19.95
Shipping & Handling: $42.65
Tax: $0.00
Total: $62.60 USD
fuck that
Red Rider
14.04.2011, 07:57
Whose bed were they jumping on in that mock Cribs edit? I bet the bed's owner is the pirate. Ya can't be fuxin' wit peoples' beds behind their backs n' shit!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
i was proud to buy this video at bcsd, people in my car were calling me crazy because someone else had already bought it and i could have coppied it. fuck that I love ajs videos and will always buy them. just wish my kfc4 still worked my disc is fucked up!
there's also another reason that, out of all the videos produced, this one in particular should not be ripped
and that is the dynamics of the tour video and its impact on all the skaters involved
Boris said that it looked like a new level of skating to him and I agree with that assessment. I think I can break it down and explain how that happened. Having all the most talented skaters together means that they are all going to skate the same type of spots and they are going to influence each other
Charging is the end product of this. when you look at the tricks from all the different dudes it looks like one coherent direction of rollerblading, but because each person has different individual strengths and weaknesses they all contribute their own little piece to the coherent whole
let me know if that is clear or needs to be elaborated further because i think it is an interesting and important point
AJs role in all of this, other than putting out a really satisfying and entertaining film, is that there probably isn't anyone else in the rollerblading world that can unite all the different top level skaters like he did
Kronolynx
14.04.2011, 10:59
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb268/johannlynx/priceshipping.jpg
in a country where the average income is 212 US dollars ordering the video from the closest skateshop cost mey 45 euros (65 US dollars).
plus downloading a video won't kill the industry, this industry is not hollywood and the industry doesn't live from videos, the industry lives from skate sellings , skate parts, that is the real industry, videos should be used to promote the brands , to show to the world what you can do with a pair of skates.
if we can manage to reach new people and promote our sport, get new rollers , the skate selling will increase so there will be more money to pay the pros.
if this dude or other dude stop making professional videos is sad but is not a problem cuz there will always be videos, there will always be people recording and wanting to show to the world what they are capable of, that to make a video is hard work is something i don't belive, cuz is the same thing all this pros were doing before becoming pros, are the same things that they were doing for free , with love and passion.
if they were not pros right now , they would still skating as they are now. they would be doing their best cuz rollerblading is about overcoming your own fears, being better everyday.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb268/johannlynx/170214_1497122277802_1526469704_31035818_2616243_o .jpg
no one started skating thinking to become a pro, they were just doing what they love , they had the skill to be the best, so they got where they are.
RollingOver30
14.04.2011, 12:06
nevermind HIS piracy though. That shit's irrelevant huh.
Bazodazo
14.04.2011, 12:14
Twas CK, saw him do it with my own eyes
th_remedy086
14.04.2011, 13:20
This thread fails. I downloaded it after hearing about it here.
gambiacrumember
14.04.2011, 19:54
News flash! Some people don't buy into 'support the industry' etc and don't care what or who was involved in the making of the flick, they simply want to watch it for free. This is hardly a great revelation and is the same as any media piracy.
And before anyone says anything, I bought a copy from Locoskates in Brighton, UK, an independent skater run shop. I'd rather pay the £20 than to download some shady torrent and watch it on my grainy PC monitor. Some people obviously don't share the same sentiment.
Locoskates is in Eastbourne. Did you really buy it?
MyGlockGoPopPopPop
14.04.2011, 19:58
nevermind HIS piracy though. That shit's irrelevant huh.
PLAY IT ON MUTE AND SHUT THE FUCK UP IF YOU CARE SO GOD DAMN MUCH
MyGlockGoPopPopPop
15.04.2011, 00:01
This thread fails. I downloaded it after hearing about it here.
Faggot.
John_Dillingham
15.04.2011, 02:36
For like two seconds I thought that Be-Mag was cool again...(I saw a big bewbs post)
Then I came into this thread and realized everyone on here is fucking retarded.
Including you.
Dubjeeber
15.04.2011, 07:34
PLAY IT ON MUTE AND SHUT THE FUCK UP IF YOU CARE SO GOD DAMN MUCH
this...
Where did all these self-righteous music industry rights campainers come from??? So what if AJ didn't get rights to herpa-herpa etc... Fuck off to a music website if you care so much... Stop acting like he's the only skate-film maker who's ever used music he's not supposed to... If you torrented charg!ng, just say so, stop hiding behind your pathetic excuses "well AJ didn't get rights, mehmeh, so I can has for free, bleh" /rant
Dubjeeber
15.04.2011, 07:47
nevermind HIS piracy though. That shit's irrelevant huh.
So what about his piracy.... He's a company owner not Robin Hood, if any of the offended musicians want to legally deal with AJ they can do so quite easily... he doesn't edit his films anonymously and any contact details can be found on his company websites..... You want to attempt to sue him on these musicians behalf, go right ahead and try... Or you could contact the musicians whos work he stole and see if any of them give as much of a shit as you do...
Dubjeeber
15.04.2011, 07:57
^^^ I wish there was a 'LIKE" button haha
There is.... + rep the guy....
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