The Best of: Skates.

[Alex Coe]

Post the best of the best when it comes to skate set-ups. Post your favorite boot/liner/frame/wheel set-up that you've ever skated and also the technical reasons that they were the best skates. The best should be determined by the mixture of comfort (comfort would translate to your comfortability with the appearance of your skates as well as how they performed) and ability (essentially how easy trick were for you) you felt on the skates. Also include the bad attributes of the set-up and how it could possibly be fixed or why you have stopped skating them.

If this topic is kept reasonably logical then we might be able to draft our own version of The Best Skate Ever based on our collective experiences.

[jakeordie]

I gotta say my King 55s, setup with Cozmo 59mm Hulgreens and Bones Swiss bearings. Love K2's design principles (softboot, lowered heel, light & minimal design) and the King was super comfortable once broken in and laced tight. I had metal h-blocks, shaved the sidewalls so the bolts touched for grinds, lost the toecaps & BS plates, lost the big heelstrap and used the little ankle strap for the heel. Perfect for park, metal grinds and speed to burn. The bad is that K2 dropped the skate, and no UFS. I switched to experiment more with UFS frames, but they're still my all-time favourites.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a43/jakeordie/K2.jpg

[justinthursday]

I gotta say my King 55s, setup with Cozmo 59mm Hulgreens and Bones Swiss bearings. Love K2's design principles (softboot, lowered heel, light & minimal design) and the King was super comfortable once broken in and laced tight. I had metal h-blocks, shaved the sidewalls so the bolts touched for grinds, lost the toecaps & BS plates, lost the big heelstrap and used the little ankle strap for the heel. Perfect for park, metal grinds and speed to burn. The bad is that K2 dropped the skate, and no UFS. I switched to experiment more with UFS frames, but they're still my all-time favourites.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a43/jakeordie/K2.jpg
i finally got a pair of these
tried a bunch of different souls on them but the boot just bend with eash one
best with stock souls unfortunately
ive got them flat with face wheels but i have yet to give them a real try

[Village Idiot]

for me:

salomon brandon campbell 1's with widebodies.

frames: fiziks, set up antirocker on cozmo 56 mm street wheels with those fiziks blocks for anti rocker skating. mindgame higgs boson anti rocker wheels.

why? I love the feel of salomon boots because of the low cuff flex...unlike other people, I always found it easier to bend my knees on grinds when I also had flexy cuffs, it feels more natural.

frames: fiziks felt really good to ride on, and I really liked how they slide.

and cozmos are just the best wheels ever.

[zacharias]

Remedyz: Favorite skate ever, so secure to my foot, pure freedom of feet. Remedyz have always felt like the most natural skate ever. They grinded great and flexed well. The bad part is they are no longer made and once you loose liner padding you get blisters like crazy.

Fiziks: Most solid feeling frame ever, roll fast and smooth, and slide great. Too bad they are no longer made and without hitch-hikers wore to the pins reel quick

Hyper 56mm: Favorite wheels they came of the UFS Maj.12. I seriously skated one to a anti-rocker size without any chunks, cracks, or flat spots.

This setup was the funnest skate to roll around in and felt more natural then any other setup I have owned.

[Alex Coe]

So far it seems like flexable softboots with fiziks frames are the best. I could see the comfort advantage there. I haven't heard anything about grooves though. I think the Razors SL models have the best shaped groove I've ever skated, but by the time it was worn in sufficiently it was time to replace it. I didn't like the boot though :?

[zacharias]

I think Remedy grooves and Salo stock grooves are the best. It feels like your foot, I have not really found a new skate that has a replaceable BS plate that actually feels natural. All though UFS remz plates to lock amazingly they still do not feel as good as a skate with a bs area on the shell against your foot.

[KillerCucumber]

My all time favorite were the 1999 USD thrones. The first gen tumor plates (not the BS plates from 1998) had the PERFECT groove when you used the fifty fifty frames with them, plus the juice plates slid on EVERYTHING. After that, the juice tumors and then the AF ufs tumor all fucked the groove to hell. But I will say, and only time will tell on this one, but I think the Carbons might take it...just perfect.

[joeymc]

Skates that weren't UFS but were my favorite of all time: Black and red OG Remz. I've said it again and again. Perfect fit, felt like an extension of your body, lace up liner, light, small, simple, beautiful, classic. I had my biggest jump in learning tricks and finding my own style in those skates more than any other skate. They were almost perfect. A skate like that with a suspension frame would be my dream skate. The backslide area was so good when worked in.

I haven't been a fan of backslide plates on any skates. The K2 backslide "area" was good. The way the Xsjado area was designed was really good too. The UFS Remz plates lock really well but feel cheap and flimsy. I agree with Zacarias on the boot feel thing.

Second choice for skates: First UFS Remz with the lower liners and simple looking skin (however the lacing system wasn't as good as the newer skins) and the older style souls. Although the new Remz don't feel like OG Remz. They still offer the most ankle mobility compared to other skates and the heart of the Remedy and freedom of feet is still there. They are super comfy when broken in too. The baseball glove feel. I'm pretty excited about the 0901. I think a lot of people that describe Remz as floppy don't do them up properly or are used to the rigid structures of other skates. I'm suprised more people don't skate Remz. They just feel so damn good to roll around in.

Frames: Fiziks because they just roll better than any other frame. Don't care about the weight of them when rolling feels like an orgasm. Sure the groove and pins can be odd but they just feel so damn good. Carving and turning are so fun in these.

Wheels: Face 57's 85a. Super soft wheels with less of a flat profile have become an addiction for me. They feel more like rec skate wheels and paired with some fiziks who needs to grind?

[Monday]

First Low Cuff M12 (non UFS) with a flat set-up of 56 or 58 mm Cozmo Wheels. The long soulplate cut apart to only sit at the rear end of the skate for improved soul-space and heel lift during grinds.

The combination of frame- and boot-material let me control groove tricks to an extend that wasn’t even funny. I could do backslides down kinkrails with no problem... :shock:

You were soulgrinding directly on the boot with no soulplate in between, best feeling ever! :D

[jakeordie]

First Low Cuff M12 (non UFS) with a flat set-up of 56 or 58 mm Cozmo Wheels. The long soulplate cut apart to only sit at the rear end of the skate for improved soul-space and heel lift during grinds.

The combination of frame- and boot-material let me control groove tricks to an extend that wasn’t even funny. I could do backslides down kinkrails with no problem... :shock:

You were soulgrinding directly on the boot with no soulplate in between, best feeling ever! :D
I had the same with CDS heelplates, I agree that locking tricks felt super natural in these skates.....soulframes FTL.

[zacharias]

I hate how skates are currently designed with all the unneccessary bulk. You have super wide sole plates with thick layers of plastic, skins that are replacable but they dont sell seperately, liners as thick as a lay-z-boy, lacing systems that dont even hold your foot down properly, shared size shells that do not promise a true fit no matter what size you choose and frames with the widest, unnatural grooves possible. Skates are so less personal these days. I want to start seeing the shapes of a foot in skates.

Look at salo's they are designed with the foot in mind. The heel of of the sole is shorter than the toe are just like a foot, shock abosrber desinged into the skate, contoured heel, cuff bolt placement performs so natural with the foot, the backslide area is contoured with the shape of your foot, sole plates are slim and make grinding feel like your foot is on the object, and a lacing a buckle system that holds the the skate to make it feel like its for your foot.

I want a skate to come out that feels organic. I want it to feel like an extension of my foot not like a Lego block that I construct around my foot.

[Monday]

True, true...

[cartman11]

I'm suprised more people don't skate Remz.
I like them but they have a huge pressure point on the outside of my foot near my toes, so I can't wear them for more than an hour. I've heard other people have this issue to. Before they start hurting they feel great, I wish I could skate them.

[joeymc]

I know this pressure point you speak of. I've only felt it with the one piece souls. I think it also has to do with the front part of the liner twisting or bunching. When I switched back to the older souls the pain went away for me.

I agree with everything Zacharias is saying.

Also, all of my favorite skates have had very little soul space. I always say big souls make soul grinds feel like platform grinds.

[zacharias]

I know this pressure point you speak of. I've only felt it with the one piece souls. I think it also has to do with the front part of the liner twisting or bunching. When I switched back to the older souls the pain went away for me.

I agree with everything Zacharias is saying.

Also, all of my favorite skates have had very little soul space. I always say big souls make soul grinds feel like platform grinds.

True platform grinds, you can't even lean over them with huge souls.

I think we should mail Kato a sewing machine and a sheet of UHMW for jokes.

[Alex Coe]

We should be thinking about what technical reason causes these feelings that we love. Joey, you have a lot of good ideas about how a skate should feel and perform but how do you think we could form a skate like that? What materials and what shapes do you hypothesize would work? I am assuming that the Remz boot isn't perfect for you but just close to.

[Chinaski]

I am in love with my current setup:
salomon xsjados
slimlines
flat 56mm random wheels

Pros:
I like a higher more supportive cuff rather than v cut, I feel like it is more responsive and let's my whole leg and body meld better with the skate.

I have wide feet with low arches, and xsjados are so adjustable that I can avoid all my normal pressurepoints.

Once strapped in they feel very slim and compact. I had remz and they just felt bulky to me, but I may not have had them on tight enough.

I've broken in the royale enough so I can properly torque my hblock tricks.

I love the way a velcro strap feels for the cuff in comparison to the feeling of a regular buckle. Buckles always feel like they just pinch my foot on either side.

Slimlines so far have been a great middle ground for transfering from anti rocker to flat. Rolling feels amazing, cracks don't bother me anymore, and I can still full torque

I think they look great as a whole skate.

Cons:
The souls are way to enormous. I would rather have a carbon size soul. I always feel like I am cheating a little bit.

The negative side souls are so big I can't properly put weight on my front foot during royales, while still touching my frame.

The shoe is kind of pointless to me, I miss just being able to slip my foot into a skate. I also prefer simple shoes like chucks and vans authentics so the overly detailed xsjado shoes are a little hideous to me.

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I definitely agree with Zacharias. I think the whole laced up neoprene liner fad is based around boots like the genesys not being designed around the human foot. You don't need all that stuff if the skate fits in the first place.

I am also glad to hear that other people hate thick souls, It was one of my main problems with the salomon widebodies. It felt like you were watching a video of someone else grinding, since you totally couldn't feel anything.

[zacharias]

Most skates are just put together piece by piece just to go around a foot. I just wanna see more ideas like based around how your foot works not how a i wont miss a single soul trick with my monster plates.

The Roces Graal had an awesome idea. Soft little slipper type thing that held your foot down perfectly plus the biomex ankle type of deal that worked well with the bend of an ankle.

Remedyz had inner laces, a velcro strap, and outer laces to hold your foot down like not other skate I have ever skated. The cuff basically was your ankle making it feel like the most natural "foot-like" skate.

Salo had the slim souls, contoured cuff, perfectly fitted shock pad, and a good foot security system(laces and buckle).

K2's are soooooo comfortable and the BS area was placed on the soft boot making it push slightly against your foot when grinding making you feel and control the grind.

One thing these skates all have in common is an ambiguous backslide area and for the most part the soul area on the heel and toe sides are not symmetrical. I don't know about you but my feet are not leveled flat on the sides and the side of my arch is not perfect crescent.

[justinthursday]

i honestly hate my souls not being symmetrical
it makes cess slides feel so awkward
a frame isnt a natural shape either
but it makes grinding feel more in control when it matches the shape of the frame
i even like having my neg be the same size as my positive and have the frame rigth in the center of the boot
this way you have a more natural balance
not a skate that wants to lean out over your soul tricks for you.
if stock salomon souls were the same at the heel as they were up front and the grooves were symmetrical then i would probably never skate anything else

just my opinion
not at all saying you are wrong
i can totally understand where youre coming from with your preferences

[zacharias]

I would actually prefer my skate to have a larger heel than the toe area unlike Salo's. It creates a more balanced feel when leaning over yet still feels more natural. I find it much easier for the heel to slip out on the heel of a Salo and much easier to lock on a skate like Remedyz. I just like how well Salo's were designed with a foot in mind.

Cess slides are much easier in skates with symmetric souls but they just feel blocky for my taste.

[justinthursday]

I would actually prefer my skate to have a larger heel than the toe area unlike Salo's. It creates a more balanced feel when leaning over yet still feels more natural. I find it much easier for the heel to slip out on the heel of a Salo and much easier to lock on a skate like Remedyz. I just like how well Salo's were designed with a foot in mind.

Cess slides are much easier in skates with symmetric souls but they just feel blocky for my taste.
eh
so do you like dual plates?

[Alex Coe]

I would actually prefer my skate to have a larger heel than the toe area unlike Salo's. It creates a more balanced feel when leaning over yet still feels more natural. I find it much easier for the heel to slip out on the heel of a Salo and much easier to lock on a skate like Remedyz. I just like how well Salo's were designed with a foot in mind.

Cess slides are much easier in skates with symmetric souls but they just feel blocky for my taste.
eh
so do you like dual plates?

It seems that a skate should provide comfort to the shape of your foot while creating a shape around your foot that performs well on whatever you are doing your tricks on. Maybe skates should be boxy but provide reaction to each part of your foot?

[zacharias]

If the dual plates where not as wide they would be sweet. I tried a pair on my Salo's and they felt like a shit.

[justinthursday]

If the dual plates where not as wide they would be sweet. I tried a pair on my Salo's and they felt like a shit.
yea its pretty bad
when ever i use dual plates i have to spend a half hour doing cess slides on concrete and royals on unwaxed curbes to groove and shrink them
lol

[jakeordie]

The Carbons look like the boot conforms to the foot, but the sole is squared off.

http://www.agrsveml.com/agrsveml/deshi_carbon/2t.jpg

Is this the best of both worlds?

[justinthursday]

The Carbons look like the boot conforms to the foot, but the sole is squared off.

http://www.agrsveml.com/agrsveml/deshi_carbon/2t.jpg

Is this the best of both worlds?
i fucking love those souls
i love carbons
but im totally happy with my salomons
so my friend is giving me his carbon souls :)
but just do some cess slides if you dont like the souls
super easy fix

for me my setup is pretty close to perfect
but NO one can deny how amazing my frame setup is:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e233/rancidfux/flatmuthafucka.jpg
size small frame
57mm/90a Hypers (stock on St8s)

[Mudhut Jollyrancher]

The Carbons look like the boot conforms to the foot, but the sole is squared off.

http://www.agrsveml.com/agrsveml/deshi_carbon/2t.jpg

Is this the best of both worlds?
i fucking love those souls
i love carbons
but im totally happy with my salomons
so my friend is giving me his carbon souls :)
but just do some cess slides if you dont like the souls
super easy fix

for me my setup is pretty close to perfect
but NO one can deny how amazing my frame setup is:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e233/rancidfux/flatmuthafucka.jpg
size small frame
57mm/90a Hypers (stock on St8s)
that setup is fire son

[zacharias]

That setup looks amazing...Im about to rig some Remz heel plates to the front and back of my salo's. See how well it turns out.

[zacharias]

for me my setup is pretty close to perfect
but NO one can deny how amazing my frame setup is:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e233/rancidfux/flatmuthafucka.jpg
size small frame
57mm/90a Hypers (stock on St8s)

What size Razor souls did you use...Im thinking about putting these souls on my pair of shaved size 8 Salo's rotting away in my closet. Just shave the frame channel and they fit snug or what? What about fitting the BS plate?

[justinthursday]

for me my setup is pretty close to perfect
but NO one can deny how amazing my frame setup is:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e233/rancidfux/flatmuthafucka.jpg
size small frame
57mm/90a Hypers (stock on St8s)

What size Razor souls did you use...Im thinking about putting these souls on my pair of shaved size 8 Salo's rotting away in my closet. Just shave the frame channel and they fit snug or what? What about fitting the BS plate?
shave the frame channel?
nah
flattened boot
i chiseled off the ufs nubs so that i could slide the soul plate forwards a bit so my bs plate would be right in the middle of my frame groove
the bs plate is shaved on the back
i couldnt bring myself to cut a hole on the boot again
souls is a 6-7 on a 7 boot but 6-7 soul will fit well on an 8 salomon
i like this setup a lot

[justinthursday]

these are my friends feinbergs
not feeling the colors but i really wann try this out:
http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu132/klebanironcross/Skates/Salo2-1.jpg
figured you might like this zach but you like the 3 pieces more right?
i feel like salomon boots are far too soft for 3 piece souls
it would be bendy town for sure

[zacharias]

these are my friends feinbergs
not feeling the colors but i really wann try this out:
http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu132/klebanironcross/Skates/Salo2-1.jpg
figured you might like this zach but you like the 3 pieces more right?
i feel like salomon boots are far too soft for 3 piece souls
it would be bendy town for sure

Those might be the ones...do you know the sizes?

[justinthursday]

these are my friends feinbergs
not feeling the colors but i really wann try this out:
http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu132/klebanironcross/Skates/Salo2-1.jpg
figured you might like this zach but you like the 3 pieces more right?
i feel like salomon boots are far too soft for 3 piece souls
it would be bendy town for sure

Those might be the ones...do you know the sizes?
size 7 boot with 6-7 soul plates

[Alex Coe]

So people really like the feel of salomons don't they? I've tried a pair on but never skated them. I'm wondering what it is about the boot that fits so well.

[George Amos]

http://pix2.hotornot.com/pics/HQ/KS/HU/KZ/GRNQAQBLHEPA.JPG

[zacharias]

So people really like the feel of salomons don't they? I've tried a pair on but never skated them. I'm wondering what it is about the boot that fits so well.

They are the truest fitting skates I have ever put on and they are the shape of a foot making them feel like part of your foot.

[jakeordie]

So people really like the feel of salomons don't they? I've tried a pair on but never skated them. I'm wondering what it is about the boot that fits so well.
Of all the companies that designed & produced skates, Salomon probably had the greatest resources & they had 5-odd years of R&D in the boot too. Sucks that our market wasn't enough to support their investment.

[al dolega]

It's simple really: superior lasting, sizing, materials and testing. The design is pretty sweet too.

[Alex Coe]

The lack of a backslide thing always got me confused. I always wrote them off as skates made for beginners because the design indicated they were made for people who don't need to do royales. I still want to try a pair if I can find someone who's skating my size.

On a side note, I wanted my first skates to be (I think) the st-10's...the ones that were beige anyways...and I decided to upgrade to cult's. Who knows how my skating would have changed :shock: .

[jakeordie]

The lack of a backslide thing always got me confused. I always wrote them off as skates made for beginners because the design indicated they were made for people who don't need to do royales.
Yeah most of the R&D was done before 5th Elements, Razors Flat, etc etc. Salomon should've designed a good sole/BS deal when switching their ST skates to UFS.....they had the most money but the cheapest UFS conversion. WideBody FTL, especially considering they just tacked it over the existing sole plates. :roll:

[DanielBreuer]

I think I'm one of the people who just loves Salo's with widebodys, just as long as they are shaved down. Made the most durable skate easy to do grinds with.

[Timothy James Kelly]

I didn't know where to put this so i'll just put it here. I highly recommend the new valo frames for flat. I'm just messing around with a pair I just purchased and a set of 60mms. They can easily fit 60mm flat with still a nice not over sized groove.

[justinthursday]

I didn't know where to put this so i'll just put it here. I highly recommend the new valo frames for flat. I'm just messing around with a pair I just purchased and a set of 60mms. They can easily fit 60mm flat with still a nice not over sized groove.
really?
looked like there would be a lot of wheel bite with even just those stock valo wheels
like top acid is the hardest trick for me to get my fot perpendicular to the rail/ledge
i feel like i would get mad wheel bite with that setup

[Timothy James Kelly]

I could definitely frontside some ledges in them...

[Mudhut Jollyrancher]

piczorz of frames plz

[zacharias]

I skate Valo frames flat right now. They are perfect.

[Mudhut Jollyrancher]

piczorz of frames plz

[justinthursday]

nice
i must see then
cause those are mad cheap arent they?

[Timothy James Kelly]

I'm lazy as shit. No pictures for you. I don't skate flat either but from reading these threads about flat and knowing a bunch of flat nazis these frames seem to be a good buy for 15 dollars.

[zacharias]

Favorite skates ever: '00 Remedyz with Valo frames on Second Regime's flat.

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/69/l_bd747e4b2e564150b1aa58eb30dc5b51.jpg
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/85/l_31afbdbc799b4cc396feb2d6df20b0f9.jpg
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/65/l_f260cc1f64d545ac9f79f2217d0eee6d.jpg

[justinthursday]

Favorite skates ever: '00 Remedyz with Valo frames on Second Regime's flat.

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/69/l_bd747e4b2e564150b1aa58eb30dc5b51.jpg
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/85/l_31afbdbc799b4cc396feb2d6df20b0f9.jpg
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/65/l_f260cc1f64d545ac9f79f2217d0eee6d.jpg
LEGIT!
I want to try that setup SO badly!
Looks so cool too

[zacharias]

Soul and negative on the right skate are thrashed, there are cracks all over the shell where it is stitched to the boot some epoxied back together, im on my third pair of laces and the padding in the liner is pretty much gone...I'm using insoles that I cut into the shaped of the v-cut....Loving every second of them.

[sup_bra]

K2 Pat Lennen / K2 Fatty

The Lennens were crazy when u understood them, so much precision , feeling, trust, stability. I loved doing anything in them. The comfort was too much too.

I'm about to try Remedyz in a week so i might change my mind.

[Alex Coe]

K2 Pat Lennen / K2 Fatty

The Lennens were crazy when u understood them, so much precision , feeling, trust, stability. I loved doing anything in them. The comfort was too much too.

I'm about to try Remedyz in a week so i might change my mind.

Were not the skates overly bulky and heavy? I certainly could agree they were the most comfortable skates but perhaps too comfortable for our purposes.

[sup_bra]

they were what you've said yeah

but personally i really liked them.

then again I haven't skated much skates , i always bail out when i start doing something, but now i really want to skate for some time and NOT quit again.

I would say the Lennens were much better than G7's Razors.

They were also really durable, dude that picked inline months ago was skating mines that were all fucked. Ive bought them in 2005 lol.

I just didn't like Razors,

Ch1's are also some very nice skates that remind me a lot of k2's ,

But I hope Remedyz will be the perfect skate for me.


If I'd talk also about the looks, the lennens or schrijns always looked extremely cool to my eyes.

Another one of my favourites were Roces Graals

Landed my first 900 in those, aswell as tons of other stuff.
That was like in 2003....

[justinthursday]

i loved my schrijns a lot
but i couldnt get over how big they looked
that was my only issue lol

[Alex Coe]

I ddefinitely loved my nemesis but they were too floppy. I couldn't get the action out of them that I wanted, and they took over my whole leg with their hugeness. 8)

[Rotgut]

K2 250's in light grey and red. Trimmed toe cap back to the backslide plate. 2R Louies (the blue ones with his face on them) outside and 2R Dominic's in the middle. Best fucking skate ever.

[Davengo]

they were what you've said yeah

but personally i really liked them.

then again I haven't skated much skates , i always bail out when i start doing something, but now i really want to skate for some time and NOT quit again.

I would say the Lennens were much better than G7's Razors.

They were also really durable, dude that picked inline months ago was skating mines that were all fucked. Ive bought them in 2005 lol.

I just didn't like Razors,

Ch1's are also some very nice skates that remind me a lot of k2's ,

But I hope Remedyz will be the perfect skate for me.


If I'd talk also about the looks, the lennens or schrijns always looked extremely cool to my eyes.

Another one of my favourites were Roces Graals

Landed my first 900 in those, aswell as tons of other stuff.
That was like in 2003....

I think I saw a video of you doing that maybe two years ago.

[USD_Dave]

K2 250's in light grey and red. Trimmed toe cap back to the backslide plate. 2R Louies (the blue ones with his face on them) outside and 2R Dominic's in the middle. Best fucking skate ever.

The grey/red 250's were sooo sick!

[Tom D]

Rob Thompson 2's, stock souls, GC Dual Injection frames with Eulogy on the outer and the little plastic grind wheels on the inside, personal preference, but the most amazing liners ever in a pair of skates.

[Freddy White]

I've exposed my views many times on what I like, and don't like, on my skate set-ups, which will always be a Remz boot and Fiziks frames, so I'll try to sum it up :

Boot : they're low, and V-Cut, and serve my skating better than any other brand, as simple as that. Comfort is definitely better in the "normal design", but those are now way too big, therefore I skate OS boots most of the time, which are great, just a little less comfy. I skate the old school 4 pieces soul system, it looks better, and are not quite a big as the one-piece soul frame. His Dudeness Geoffrey Acers will be sending a pair of the newer version though, so I'll give these a try. We'll see.

Frames : Fiziks frames have been mentionned a lot in this thread, it's probably because they simply are the best rollerblading frame ever produced ah ah ! Love those, skate them flat too, best feeling of the world, I cannot put it in more simple words. Eulogy and YAH wheels are definitely the 2 best brands out there right now, so I can be found skating one or the other, depending on the set-up. I usually prefer them to be around 55 or 56mm, 90 durometer, but I have a pair set up with 52mm Gonzo wheels, because of the homemade hitchiker blocks that won't allow me to fit anything bigger in there. Crap bearing are good too, cheapest way to fly ah ah !

Some pictures ? Yes, for sure :

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3375/3414896524_500a2b689b.jpg

(some more work has to be done on those, they're still too thick around the ankle)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3284/3146719919_4ffaf4837f.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3162/2629116899_a9a6a41cc5.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3010/2316673529_3af9df5153.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2222/2199714906_4f39a2f4bf.jpg

[Alex Coe]

What is different about the Remz skates compared to other skates, and why is it any better than a pair of shoes? There has to be a million little tweaks that makes them such good skates, so what do you think it is? What if the boot was all plastic?

[sup_bra]

What if the boot was all plastic?

That would be terrible, one of the reasons ive bought 0803 is because the laces arent tightening a fucking plastic part.

[Alex Coe]

What if the boot was all plastic?

That would be terrible, one of the reasons ive bought 0803 is because the laces arent tightening a fucking plastic part.

EZ bruv. That's a good point though. Softer materials form to your foot better but they don't have as much support. What's the secret formula?

[niceawaymessage]

if valo would make a slimmer soul plate, put it closer to the boot....it would make the skate alot better. my favorite skate ever would be the white/grey classic thrones (the ones that looked like the arlos) with the classic souls (not the super huge winged ones they make now).

in conclusion, slim skates are the best. my close second favorite skates were the salo bcam2's. the black/grey cuff ones. i agree with everyone on here about salos and how they had the best design/best feel/best everything. salomons were the best skate ever made, how sad.




oh and valo should redesign the soul plate, cant stress that enough. i think, honestly...if valo redesigned the soulplate, they could make the skate almost as good as salomons.

[justinthursday]

if valo would make a slimmer soul plate, put it closer to the boot....it would make the skate alot better. my favorite skate ever would be the white/grey classic thrones (the ones that looked like the arlos) with the classic souls (not the super huge winged ones they make now).

in conclusion, slim skates are the best. my close second favorite skates were the salo bcam2's. the black/grey cuff ones. i agree with everyone on here about salos and how they had the best design/best feel/best everything. salomons were the best skate ever made, how sad.




oh and valo should redesign the soul plate, cant stress that enough. i think, honestly...if valo redesigned the soulplate, they could make the skate almost as good as salomons.
i think companies need to stop thinking that souls/misdouls and bs plates need to be separate pieces
the inserts on trs and valo are useless.
if there were no inserts they could be thinner and be just as strong or stronger.
also there is a lot of useless material on the valo souls.
the m12 souls were close but i still feel like they were too thick and wrapped around the boot too much

[niceawaymessage]

[quote=niceawaymessage]
i think companies need to stop thinking that souls/misdouls and bs plates need to be separate pieces
the inserts on trs and valo are useless.
if there were no inserts they could be thinner and be just as strong or stronger.
also there is a lot of useless material on the valo souls.
the m12 souls were close but i still feel like they were too thick and wrapped around the boot too much


i agree with the separate pieces thing. the entire soul system on valos either was very rushed or just plain not thought out. theyre way too thick on the bottoms, also the sidewalls are too thick too. just too much material, they could take ounces off of the skate by just making it less thick, more thin and not lose any stability or strength.

[Makio]

[quote=niceawaymessage]
i think companies need to stop thinking that souls/misdouls and bs plates need to be separate pieces
the inserts on trs and valo are useless.
if there were no inserts they could be thinner and be just as strong or stronger.
also there is a lot of useless material on the valo souls.
the m12 souls were close but i still feel like they were too thick and wrapped around the boot too much


i agree with the separate pieces thing. the entire soul system on valos either was very rushed or just plain not thought out. theyre way too thick on the bottoms, also the sidewalls are too thick too. just too much material, they could take ounces off of the skate by just making it less thick, more thin and not lose any stability or strength.+1

[Tom D]

I heard (lil birdie) there is a carbonz valo in the works(z).

[justinthursday]

I heard (lil birdie) there is a C4rb0nz valo in the works(z).
everyone has heard that about every brand

[Monday]

I heard (lil birdie) there is a C4rb0nz valo in the works(z).

Never...

[Tom D]

Its from the head.

[toe-bee]

http://www.rollerskate.fr/photos/roces.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/happymasuda/vanquish_5.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/happymasuda/vanquish_8.jpg
+
fancy skin to cover the skin and add needless weight
+
trs midsoul & soulplates
+
valo frame and wheels
=
valobunz!

[Elk]

I heard (lil birdie) there is a C4rb0nz valo in the works(z).

Never...

He probably meant those Broskow-looking USD Carbons.

[Tom D]

I did not.

[justinthursday]

Lol
so you mean you heard from Julio that they're working on a Carbon?

[al dolega]

Would a carbon Valo be..... the Carlos? If so, they would be required to steal Hardcore Brazil away from USD.

[sup_bra]

remedyz , get some

[zacharias]

remedyz , get some

They are no longer made... :cry:

[Elk]

remedyz , get some

Then in another month you'll be like "waaahh, i hate these skates, I am buying XXXXXXX skate and it will be awesome, fagz!"

[sup_bra]

no way I'm not switching to any other skate ever.

only if K2 makes something new but even then I'll ride remz aswell.