Dumb Wheel Question

[Mudhut Jollyrancher]

why aren't wheels all urethane
why is the core a different material, is because urethane expands and shrinks easily or what

[jakeordie]

Some are, but they don't perform as well as hubbed & tired wheels.....the two parts have different jobs to do. Imagine a car wheel that was all rubber. :shock:

[Mudhut Jollyrancher]

Some are, but they don't perform as well as hubbed & tired wheels.....the two parts have different jobs to do. Imagine a car wheel that was all rubber. :shock:oh, good analogy
i was reading the star wheel threads and i figured that this would solve the core problems, lol
it seems i still need some hardware learning

[jakeordie]

Here's a link with some more tech;
http://www.cozmowheelco.com/cozsyst.html

[Mudhut Jollyrancher]

Here's a link with some more tech;
http://www.cozmowheelco.com/cozsyst.html
:shock: so how were the wheels, it seems like a brilliant idea, was it executed well?

[jakeordie]

The wheel is great, but the company is small and they've had problems with quality control. The guy who owns it Tim Dawe is a skateboarder from way back, and he's not very switched on to rollerblading so Cozmo was doing better when skaters like Tom Fry, Scott Crawford etc. were more involved.

Other companies have tried the same construction, but haven't matched the original Cozmos.

[Mudhut Jollyrancher]

The wheel is great, but the company is small and they've had problems with quality control. The guy who owns it Tim Dawe is a skateboarder from way back, and he's not very switched on to rollerblading so Cozmo was doing better when skaters like Tom Fry, Scott Crawford etc. were more involved.

Other companies have tried the same construction, but haven't matched the original Cozmos.
why do all the good products seem to disappear :cry:

[jakeordie]

I think it's that rollerbladers as consumers are young and impressionable, so what sells are rarely the highest quality or highest performance products. This is changing, skaters are becoming more savvy about what they will and won't buy. I hear a lot of good things about Eulogy wheels, many skaters say they'll never buy another brand's wheel again.

[Mudhut Jollyrancher]

I think it's that rollerbladers as consumers are young and impressionable, so what sells are rarely the highest quality or highest performance products. This is changing, skaters are becoming more savvy about what they will and won't buy. I hear a lot of good things about Eulogy wheels, many skaters say they'll never buy another brand's wheel again.
yeah eulogy wheels are great, mine lasted 8 months
i hope the quality products start to shine though

[d15]

I bought some Cozmo wheels from Tim Dawe once off of Ebay. He wasn't a very good sales man. He didn't check his email ....so he thought I didn't want the wheels, but of course I did. Eventually he sent them though.

Anyway, jake, can you tell me if Tim is still making ANY type of wheels anymore? Whether skateboarding or inline. I would really like to get some Cozmos again.

[jakeordie]

I bought some Cozmo wheels from Tim Dawe once off of Ebay. He wasn't a very good sales man. He didn't check his email ....so he thought I didn't want the wheels, but of course I did. Eventually he sent them though.

Anyway, jake, can you tell me if Tim is still making ANY type of wheels anymore? Whether skateboarding or inline. I would really like to get some Cozmos again.
I think he still has wheels available, but hasn't poured new ones in awhile. I sold all the ones I was distributing, maybe Thumper still has some. Or you could deal directly with Tim again, but he probably doesn't want to do individual sales.

[Dagobert]

Tim's not pouring wheels anymore my sources have it. and actually we were experimenting with roto-molded wheels in '95, but our hub doesn't move, is chemically bonded (unless of human error) and are more precision in the bearing seats thus the transfer of energy is kept giving us a high rebound fast wheel.

[-mat-]

Tim's not pouring wheels anymore my sources have it. and actually we were experimenting with roto-molded wheels in '95, but our hub doesn't move, is chemically bonded (unless of human error) and are more precision in the bearing seats thus the transfer of energy is kept giving us a high rebound fast wheel.

Is there no way to get Tim back in business?
I mean: okay, the market is quite small but considering all those brands that produce the same crappy wheels at hyper or elsewhere and the customer`s demand for FAST high quality wheels he should definitely give it a try.
No wheels company (even eulogy) has managed to offer better wheels than cozmo did 13 or 14 years ago...

[Dagobert]

Well, Australia allows chemicals for manufacturing that California does not. I'm sitting on a new urethane that I'm super impressed with. waiting on some new mold technology before testing it out.

I highly doubt that he'd tool up to pour just a few thousand wheels.

[al dolega]

Is there no way to get Tim back in business?
I mean: okay, the market is quite small but considering all those brands that produce the same crappy wheels at hyper or elsewhere and the customer`s demand for FAST high quality wheels he should definitely give it a try.

If he's not even pouring skateboard wheels anymore I don't see why he'd bother with inline, no matter how loud our tiny population screams for them. Our market is tiny, distribution in the US and elsewhere is going to be a pain to set up and quite expensive, and many rollerbladers will (some say rightfully) shun a company they've never heard of that isn't placing ads or supporting a team. The dude doesn't rollerblade so don't think he's just gonna do it "for the love". No profit to be made, no wheels, simple as that.

[Dagobert]

preach on brother Al ;) there are companies that are out there than can pour a quality wheel, just no one looks for them.

[jomu]

I'm sitting on a new urethane that I'm super impressed with. waiting on some new mold technology before testing it out.


bring it on!!

can you give us some insight into the different technologies that can be used to create cores?

[Dagobert]

a lot of people like the "Dual Pour" technology and I was a fan up until a few years back. but the precision of the bearing seat is brought into question on impacts and side loading and over all deflection. You want something hard enough to support the bearing on impact and adhere to the tread. our core was designed to have a pure bond with our tire material. Obviously I don't have 100% non fail rate, but it's less than 1% due to human error. I'm sure you've seen the video of how a wheels is poured if not check out our blog. people handle the components thus leading to the occasional human error.

[d15]

i never though OZ would have its own skate wheel manufacturer. but if skate machines and wheel pours are so expensive, how did tim dawe get started, how'd he come up with the machines and does he own them?


what's he doing with them if he's not using them? someone from the blade industry should pay him to make wheels for them.

[jomu]

a lot of people like the "Dual Pour" technology and I was a fan up until a few years back. but the precision of the bearing seat is brought into question on impacts and side loading and over all deflection. You want something hard enough to support the bearing on impact and adhere to the tread. our core was designed to have a pure bond with our tire material. Obviously I don't have 100% non fail rate, but it's less than 1% due to human error. I'm sure you've seen the video of how a wheels is poured if not check out our blog. people handle the components thus leading to the occasional human error.

yeah, i've seen both your 'how to pour wheels videos', when you mentioned waiting for new core technologies I was wondering what could be so different from what you currently use.

I'm a fan of cozmo wheels, they always felt solid with great grip to me. They just had a tendency to wear down fast when skating the streets round here.

I like your wheels too, just need one thats grippy for wooden parks.

I've got some eulogy 58s from your current line in my car trunk just waiting to be swapped when my current cozmos are done. That should be any day now.

hail to the king! Eulogy

[8=====D~~~]

who gives a shit, they are just rollerblading wheels

[Monday]

Senates Liberty Spike Core Wheels were the best!

[smirnus]

What do you mean no Austrailian brands? Is Devise dead?

http://www.rollernews.com/devise-wheels-story_2587.html

[sup_bra]

http://www.shrani.si/f/34/GO/HMGD5oZ/dsc02883.jpg

It is around 11 years old possibly 12