U AM BELIVE IN GOD

[ZiM108]

ready FIGHT

[bom the israeli]

FUCK YEAH!

[bom the israeli]

FUCKIN STICKY

[bom the israeli]

http://api.ning.com/files/kX*LFPvx4SFMMQMYsrSDIAYo8LYm-kfSSQfMh2w2kYQPOgupyqH2z19KNwPclicam8JamHJLNl4ixdp *ZIaKr5Dz*c7OD-k-/wharrgarbl.jpg

[shawn adair]

http://bitsandpieces.us/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/imagessay-20no-20to-20crack-small.jpg

[bom the israeli]

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs137.snc1/5860_123952032931_515382931_3115445_7899315_n.jpg

:shock:

[Mudhut Jollyrancher]

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs137.snc1/5860_123952032931_515382931_3115445_7899315_n.jpg

:shock:

[_doesitmatter_]

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs137.snc1/5860_123952032931_515382931_3115445_7899315_n.jpg

:shock:

[bom the israeli]

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d121/bom444/B00004RJ7101_SCLZZZZZZZ_copy.jpg

[ZiM108]

this topic is not turning out like i hoped

[Devon Avant]

you mean the thing that's supposed to be omnipotent and called by different names across the world?






. . . i thought that was santa :oops:















































. . . but seriously thought, no.

[bom the israeli]

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d121/bom444/w20cqe.jpg

[shawn adair]

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3894/1843.jpg








pps..bom come to canada to roll or skate!!!!!

[bom the israeli]

One day man!

I really want to see the Leon too!

[ZiM108]

TOOPP

[the bear]

yes

[t1m_t3b0w]

yes 8)

[usdrolla34]

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3894/1843.jpg








pps..bom come to canada to roll or skate!!!!!

:lol:

[shawn adair]

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2237/projectsrailbackside.jpg


word bra

[shawn adair]

i think its about time for a beer,,,, eh


















http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/5144/molsonpour.jpg

[*Maxx_]

nahh

[gatsby]

i can not even begin to comprehend that question

[howie son]

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/5144/molsonpour.jpg

Terrible pour.

Way to much head.

[bilbo baggins]

i do.

[RyanMoran]

yes i do believe in god. God is real.

[*]

GOD IS DEAD.
AND HE DIED WHEN THE ANGELS FELL.

[oldskizzle]

To deny the existence of a higher power, force, or being is to believe that everything was created from nothing. YES

[bom the israeli]

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs137.snc1/5860_123952032931_515382931_3115445_7899315_n.jpg

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2237/projectsrailbackside.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/howieson/jephFISHYTODROPstpaul-2.jpg

<3 Be-Mag

[tim_adams]

No.

That's the short answer, anyway.

[ripin jax]

i think its about time for a beer,,,, eh

what if it broke in there















http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/5144/molsonpour.jpg

[R-MONEY$$$]

Yes.

That is the short answer anyway.

[Guest!mator]

God believes in me.

[jakeness13]

i only worship FSM

[someguy]

no more posts like this.

[Teh Nap]

http://thywordistruth.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/huh.jpg

[Elk]

ašhadu ʾanna laa ilāha illa Allāh, wa ʾašhadu ʾanna Muḥammad ur-rasūl Allāh

[cool guy]

ašhadu ʾanna laa ilāha illa Allāh, wa ʾašhadu ʾanna Muḥammad ur-rasūl Allāh
ITS A TERRORIST

[jakeness13]

all hail his noodly appendages!!

[IRollerbladeYO]

do you believe in gays?

[Amber]

Yes, I believe in God.

[*]

Yes, I believe in God.
you would.

[Amber]

Yes, I believe in God.
you would.
So? What's wrong with that?

[Johnone1]

i think god sucks.without him,her,it ,or whatever ther fuck it is life would be less complicated.less people would blame god if they knew there wasnt one.god keeps people in fear and enslaved.fear of this or that because youll go to hell is laaaame.also,waiting on some fantasy fucker to put food on your table,make you kids well,etc is false .god is fake,a lie,and a huge fag.if in fact there is any god why does he give people free will when he knows that people are human and use this free will to do destructive things?? that proves also that if there is a god he's stupid and sadistic.fuck it

[Amber]

i think god sucks.without him,her,it ,or whatever ther fuck it is life would be less complicated.less people would blame god if they knew there wasnt one.god keeps people in fear and enslaved.fear of this or that because youll go to hell is laaaame.also,waiting on some fantasy fucker to put food on your table,make you kids well,etc is false .god is fake,a lie,and a huge fag.if in fact there is any god why does he give people free will when he knows that people are human and use this free will to do destructive things?? that proves also that if there is a god he's stupid and sadistic.fuck it
Rough life?

[Johnone1]

im starting to seriously beleive there is no god whatever.and if there is either he dont really care or he's just a bitch who gave us needs,wants,feelings,and then sentences us to hell when i act upon them

nice work jesus. geez what a fag.

[Garett]

i think god sucks.without him,her,it ,or whatever ther fuck it is life would be less complicated.less people would blame god if they knew there wasnt one.god keeps people in fear and enslaved.fear of this or that because youll go to hell is laaaame.also,waiting on some fantasy fucker to put food on your table,make you kids well,etc is false .god is fake,a lie,and a huge fag.if in fact there is any god why does he give people free will when he knows that people are human and use this free will to do destructive things?? that proves also that if there is a god he's stupid and sadistic.fuck it

I think you've mixed "God" up with Humans in your rant.

I don't believe in a God that condemns "sinners" to eternity of torture by some cartoon character just because they where born in a jungle with no idea. I don't take the bible literally at all seeing as those stories where passed on word of mouth for a few hundred years before actually being recorded into a book, but I do think it preaches good morals, aside from some of the fucked up shit in the old testimony.

I believe in some kind of higher power, but it definitely isn't a hypocritical being that Christianity praises it to be. Your supposed to love God, not live your entire life in fear of him.

[Johnone1]

i dont know.it seems for me the more i tried to do "his will" the worse my life got;just my experience.and from what i see here in los angeles.

the so called "wicked" thrive here. for me,i think god should be just left out of my picture.i get to confused between what is his will and how to align myself to it.fuck that.i would like the balls to just step out of my house and do what the fuck i do be it crime,drugs,sex,and know that if im having fun god probrablly is too.for me the only way to do that is not even worry about this nigga and what he thinks about me or what hes gonna do to me.fuck him

[Johnone1]

i figure if i shoot someone god "understands"

[shawn adair]

i think god sucks.without him,her,it ,or whatever ther fuck it is life would be less complicated.less people would blame god if they knew there wasnt one.god keeps people in fear and enslaved.fear of this or that because youll go to hell is laaaame.also,waiting on some fantasy fucker to put food on your table,make you kids well,etc is false .god is fake,a lie,and a huge fag.if in fact there is any god why does he give people free will when he knows that people are human and use this free will to do destructive things?? that proves also that if there is a god he's stupid and sadistic.fuck it

I think you've mixed "God" up with Humans in your rant.

I don't believe in a God that condemns "sinners" to eternity of torture by some cartoon character just because they where born in a jungle with no idea. I don't take the bible literally at all seeing as those stories where passed on word of mouth for a few hundred years before actually being recorded into a book, but I do think it preaches good morals, aside from some of the fucked up shit in the old testimony.

I believe in some kind of higher power, but it definitely isn't a hypocritical being that Christianity praises it to be. Your supposed to love God, not live your entire life in fear of him.



but look how happy she is





























http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2564/nakedpussy.jpg

[Garett]

i dont know.it seems for me the more i tried to do "his will" the worse my life got;just my experience.and from what i see here in los angeles.

the so called "wicked" thrive here. for me,i think god should be just left out of my picture.i get to confused between what is his will and how to align myself to it.fuck that.i would like the balls to just step out of my house and do what the fuck i do be it crime,drugs,sex,and know that if im having fun god probrablly is too.for me the only way to do that is not even worry about this nigga and what he thinks about me or what hes gonna do to me.fuck him

How old are you? Make your own mind up. Just cause one version of faith force feeds you some shit doesn't mean you have to eat the whole plate. Take it with an open mind, explore other options, and come to your own opinion. Your branding "God" based off one extreme version of religion. Sample some others, not everyone on Earth believes in a bearded Zeus watching us from the heavens, fucking us up when we don't do his "will".

[gatsby]

"but look how happy she is"


i was laughing out loud

[Garett]

i think god sucks.without him,her,it ,or whatever ther fuck it is life would be less complicated.less people would blame god if they knew there wasnt one.god keeps people in fear and enslaved.fear of this or that because youll go to hell is laaaame.also,waiting on some fantasy fucker to put food on your table,make you kids well,etc is false .god is fake,a lie,and a huge fag.if in fact there is any god why does he give people free will when he knows that people are human and use this free will to do destructive things?? that proves also that if there is a god he's stupid and sadistic.fuck it

I think you've mixed "God" up with Humans in your rant.

I don't believe in a God that condemns "sinners" to eternity of torture by some cartoon character just because they where born in a jungle with no idea. I don't take the bible literally at all seeing as those stories where passed on word of mouth for a few hundred years before actually being recorded into a book, but I do think it preaches good morals, aside from some of the fucked up shit in the old testimony.

I believe in some kind of higher power, but it definitely isn't a hypocritical being that Christianity praises it to be. Your supposed to love God, not live your entire life in fear of him.



but look how happy she is





























http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2564/nakedpussy.jpg


HAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!

[chimbaktu]

nah.


even if there was one, it clearly doesn't have much influence on the world or just doesn't give a shit. nah mean?

[SoSure]

Michael: I know there's something out there, but I don't know if I wanna call it "God."
Michael: Okay, 'cause like, I believe in God...
Michael: Right.
Michael: ...but I don't know that I think God is some guy on a throne with a long white beard.
Michael: Right. Like to me, God is, like, it could be anything. It could be like...
Michael: Literally, it could be this table.
Michael: It could be - totally be this table. It *is* the table.

[icr | phc]

god is fake,a lie,and a huge fag.

Awesome. :lol:

[nai]

Yea.

[Johnone1]

nah.


even if there was one, it clearly doesn't have much influence on the world or just doesn't give a shit. nah mean?

i fucking agree 100% god is pretty useless it seems.

i nominate brian shima for "the lord" all in favor?? 8)

[nlausch]

stupid question. and its only the 27th time i've seen it on this board.

[someguy]

stupid question. and its only the 27th time i've seen it on this board.

wow

your sig.

[Johnone1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XOu4DAxZKA

christ listens to bathory

[Charlie Hustles]

I AM GOD.

[Garett]

I AM GOD.

I wanna smoke a joint with you one day Charlie

[Johnone1]

yeah garett you seem pretty rational .ill accept your thoughts and consider them. ive got a question for you though??


what if god was spelled 'D-O-G"


heavy!

[Charlie Hustles]

Let's do it.

[oldskizzle]

To deny the existence of a higher power, force, or being is to believe that everything was created from nothing. YES

[chimbaktu]

To deny the existence of a higher power, force, or being is to believe that everything was created from nothing. YES

as somebody who believes in god, why do you say something had to come from nothing? why couldn't it always be? isn't that the exact premise of god?

[nlausch]

To deny the existence of a higher power, force, or being is to believe that everything was created from nothing. YES

what created that d-bag? spear-a-sea :!:

[oldskizzle]

To deny the existence of a higher power, force, or being is to believe that everything was created from nothing. YES

as somebody who believes in god, why do you say something had to come from nothing? why couldn't it always be? isn't that the exact premise of god?

yes it is, i agree, i am not a creationist. my point is to ponder, at some point there has to be an ultimate...a beginning so to speak.

[oldskizzle]

To deny the existence of a higher power, force, or being is to believe that everything was created from nothing. YES

as somebody who believes in god, why do you say something had to come from nothing? why couldn't it always be? isn't that the exact premise of god?

yes it is, i agree, i am not a creationist. my point is to ponder, at some point there has to be an ultimate...a beginning so to speak.

wait, i misunderstood what you said....yes i am open to the idea of our existence or our creator having always, "BEEN."

[oldskizzle]

To deny the existence of a higher power, force, or being is to believe that everything was created from nothing. YES

as somebody who believes in god, why do you say something had to come from nothing? why couldn't it always be? isn't that the exact premise of god?

i didnt say that

[oldskizzle]

the YES in caps was my answer to the original question

[nlausch]

somebody is be-drunk.

[oldskizzle]

somebody is be-drunk.

meeeeeeeeeeeeee :lol:

[Pulp]

i think god sucks.without him,her,it ,or whatever ther fuck it is life would be less complicated.less people would blame god if they knew there wasnt one.god keeps people in fear and enslaved.fear of this or that because youll go to hell is laaaame.also,waiting on some fantasy fucker to put food on your table,make you kids well,etc is false .god is fake,a lie,and a huge fag.if in fact there is any god why does he give people free will when he knows that people are human and use this free will to do destructive things?? that proves also that if there is a god he's stupid and sadistic.fuck it

I think you've mixed "God" up with Humans in your rant.

I don't believe in a God that condemns "sinners" to eternity of torture by some cartoon character just because they where born in a jungle with no idea. I don't take the bible literally at all seeing as those stories where passed on word of mouth for a few hundred years before actually being recorded into a book, but I do think it preaches good morals, aside from some of the fucked up shit in the old testimony.

I believe in some kind of higher power, but it definitely isn't a hypocritical being that Christianity praises it to be. Your supposed to love God, not live your entire life in fear of him.

[oldskizzle]

there is a god, no question

[BMV]

there is a god, no question

This is what drugs does to you kids.

Take notes.

[K]

there is a god, no question

This is what drugs does to you kids.

Take notes.

[hogie]

i pray to the alter of "not having any fucking clue"

honestly. i have no idea. and i never will. so im just gonna go ahead and just not think about it.

[mbrols]

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3894/1843.jpg








pps..bom come to canada to roll or skate!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHA.

Damn this pic is funny.

[RobFromFlint]

The spontaneous formation of matter without a prior existing sorce is impossible according to the general laws of physics. There are too many missing pieces in Darwinism for me. Something created us. If you look at recent work of Theoritical Physicists regarding black holes and parallel universes, I see no reason to point towards a supreme being and after life NOT existing. SO, yes

[Johnone1]

there is a god, no question

prove it !! and if in fact you can prove it whos to say that by now that same god who created us isnt dead? and can you prove that this god gives a shit about mankind??

[chimbaktu]

The spontaneous formation of matter without a prior existing sorce is impossible according to the general laws of physics. There are too many missing pieces in Darwinism for me. Something created us. If you look at recent work of Theoritical Physicists regarding black holes and parallel universes, I see no reason to point towards a supreme being and after life NOT existing. SO, yes

how did you connect the creation of matter and darwinism?


you niggas is bad at science.

[Johnone1]

before god or this biblical god there were plenty other gods right?? what makes the christian god so special? what he can inseminate a chick without fucking her??

[chimbaktu]

before god or this biblical god there were plenty other gods right?? what makes the christian god so special? what he can inseminate a chick without fucking her??

worst. super. power. ever.









ever.





















































ever.

[RobFromFlint]

The spontaneous formation of matter without a prior existing sorce is impossible according to the general laws of physics. There are too many missing pieces in Darwinism for me. Something created us. If you look at recent work of Theoritical Physicists regarding black holes and parallel universes, I see no reason to point towards a supreme being and after life NOT existing. SO, yes

how did you connect the creation of matter and darwinism?


you niggas is bad at science.

no connections, just how my head works.

[Johnone1]

so christ really isnt shit right?? he's just a son whos dad is a asshole and he has to go around telling people how his dad want them to live and basically tells his dad that "hey nigga, these people are human beings pops;dont sentence em to hell,give em a break" god says "no nigga,humans must die" and christ says "dad,fuck you,ill die for their sins" isnt that how the bible kind of words it?? nice parenting example god.way to show patience and tolerance.

[RobFromFlint]

so christ really isnt shit right?? he's just a son whos dad is a asshole and he has to go around telling people how his dad want them to live and basically tells his dad that "hey nigga, these people are human beings pops;dont sentence em to hell,give em a break" god says "no nigga,humans must die" and christ says "dad,fuck you,ill die for their sins" isnt that how the bible kind of words it?? nice parenting example god.way to show patience and tolerance.

The bible has been translated and altered so many times it's ridiculous. You need to research archaeological evidence and make your own conclusion. Don't let people tell you what is or isn't God. Research, learn and make the choice you feel is correct and absolute. If you question your decision at all, it is not the correct one.

[Amber]

so christ really isnt shit right?? he's just a son whos dad is a asshole and he has to go around telling people how his dad want them to live and basically tells his dad that "hey nigga, these people are human beings pops;dont sentence em to hell,give em a break" god says "no nigga,humans must die" and christ says "dad,fuck you,ill die for their sins" isnt that how the bible kind of words it?? nice parenting example god.way to show patience and tolerance.

The bible has been translated and altered so many times it's ridiculous. You need to research archaeological evidence and make your own conclusion. Don't let people tell you what is or isn't God. Research, learn and make the choice you feel is correct and absolute. If you question your decision at all, it is not the correct one.
Is that your daughter in your sig?

[RobFromFlint]

so christ really isnt shit right?? he's just a son whos dad is a asshole and he has to go around telling people how his dad want them to live and basically tells his dad that "hey nigga, these people are human beings pops;dont sentence em to hell,give em a break" god says "no nigga,humans must die" and christ says "dad,fuck you,ill die for their sins" isnt that how the bible kind of words it?? nice parenting example god.way to show patience and tolerance.

The bible has been translated and altered so many times it's ridiculous. You need to research archaeological evidence and make your own conclusion. Don't let people tell you what is or isn't God. Research, learn and make the choice you feel is correct and absolute. If you question your decision at all, it is not the correct one.
Is that your daughter in your sig?

Yes. Best thing ever.

[xsjado53089]

what about satan?

[Johnone1]

what about satan?

im with that.lets talk satan now.

[xsjado53089]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/picable/2007/10/31/73620_Pentagram_620.jpg

[RobFromFlint]

what about satan?


For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. I believe in absolutes. If there is an All powerful being, who created us, loves us and doesnt want to take away our free will and force us to love him, than there must be an opposite horrible, hateful being who would want nothing more than to subject us to his will. my $0.02

[Johnone1]

how do we really know satan wasnt a dude who was just like "hey ,god,your a dick,what the fuck?? people want to get laid and your gonna punish them for it?" "i cant support that" "im out" "you run heaven like a prison"

[blah]

i dated a mormon for like a month... it was a bad idea

[Johnone1]

i dated a mormon for like a month... it was a bad idea

that sounds great,you get to fuck other chicks right?? you should of busted out a 5way.you and four chicks and as you came screamed out "this ones for you god"

[RobFromFlint]

i dated a mormon for like a month... it was a bad idea

that sounds great,you get to fuck other chicks right?? you should of busted out a 5way.you and four chicks and as you came screamed out "this ones for you god"

Mormons make me lol. Scientologists make me lmfao. Any one see the episode of Southpark where they made fun of the mormons."dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb" :lol:

[rev. the mike]

The correct answer is: "It doesn't make any difference to your life, so who gives a shit?"

[Johnone1]

like i said "shima for god" whos with me?

SHIMA,SHIMA,SHIMA

[Garett]

If God is a being who created matter and everything we experience today, then he created "Satan", and it would be completely hypocritical for God to allow "Satan" to exist if he truly loves us unconditionally. He could wipe Satan off the fucking map with a thought.

Satan is a made up bullshit cartoon character used by the church to spread fear and get a strangle hold on power and influence the people. I can't even stress how powerful the church was up until the last 100 years. They basically ran the planet.

[blah]

i dated a mormon for like a month... it was a bad idea

that sounds great,you get to fuck other chicks right?? you should of busted out a 5way.you and four chicks and as you came screamed out "this ones for you god"

actually i let her put her finger in my ass but i hadnt taken a shit for a few days so her doing that made me shit all over the bed and i think maybe on lower jaw...











lol

[gatsby]

I can't even stress how powerful the church was up until the last 100 years.

do not exaggerate, 100 years ago was 1909 and that claim is completely inaccurate and ignorant

religion is influential, but the era that you are referring to ended in 1517 with the protestant reformation started by martin luther

once martin luther challenged the authority of the catholic church no single religion would ever rise to the front line of importance in historical events. leaders will quote scripture but we have lived in a predominantly secular world since at least the industrial revolution, arguably even the french revolution of 1789 when they cut off the head of a monarch, a person who claimed to have been put into power by god

symbolically speaking cutting off the head off king louis xviii was cutting off the head of god


you are welcome to disagree but you will find that what i have said is the general consensus of the great modern historians

[Garett]

I can't even stress how powerful the church was up until the last 100 years.

do not exaggerate, 100 years ago was 1909 and that claim is completely inaccurate and ignorant

religion is influential, but the era that you are referring to ended in 1517 with the protestant reformation started by martin luther

once martin luther challenged the authority of the catholic church no single religion would ever rise to the front line of importance in historical events. leaders will quote scripture but we have lived in a predominantly secular world since at least the industrial revolution, arguably even the french revolution of 1789 when they cut off the head of a monarch, a person who claimed to have been put into power by god

symbolically speaking cutting off the head off king louis xviii was cutting off the head of god


you are welcome to disagree but you will find that what i have said is the general consensus of the great modern historians

That still doesn't sway my argument on the devil, at all. The church still uses Satan and fear mongering to maintain its current followers and recruit more. It's a blatant fear strategy, it's immoral, and fucked right up. That's the sole reason I walked away from Catholicism/Christianity.

[gatsby]

more power to you my brother my post wasn't even in reference to the main point of this whole topic i was just dropping some knowledge on my internet brethren

[chimbaktu]

I can't even stress how powerful the church was up until the last 100 years.

do not exaggerate, 100 years ago was 1909 and that claim is completely inaccurate and ignorant

religion is influential, but the era that you are referring to ended in 1517 with the protestant reformation started by martin luther

once martin luther challenged the authority of the catholic church no single religion would ever rise to the front line of importance in historical events. leaders will quote scripture but we have lived in a predominantly secular world since at least the industrial revolution, arguably even the french revolution of 1789 when they cut off the head of a monarch, a person who claimed to have been put into power by god

symbolically speaking cutting off the head off king louis xviii was cutting off the head of god


you are welcome to disagree but you will find that what i have said is the general consensus of the great modern historians

i think you forgot about islam and the turkish empire, as well as the world wars, america (south and north), and many other events that have shaped recent history. i would say that religion has had quite the influence, with catholicism leading the front of religious indoctrination.

power is the root of all conflict, religion happens to be it's most used facade/tool.


edit: the difference between THE church and churches, is moot. catholicism and protestantism are two sides of the same coin whether any denomination would admit it.

[JimmyC]

niggas arguin about the turkish empire and shittt

[alanchrishughes]

niggas arguin about the turkish empire and shittt

:lol:

[jakeness13]

The spontaneous formation of matter without a prior existing sorce is impossible according to the general laws of physics. There are too many missing pieces in Darwinism for me. Something created us. If you look at recent work of Theoritical Physicists regarding black holes and parallel universes, I see no reason to point towards a supreme being and after life NOT existing. SO, yes

so you're saying a giant man in the clouds creating earth man and light on a whim isnt impossible according to general laws of physics?

[jakeness13]

i dated a mormon for like a month... it was a bad idea

that sounds great,you get to fuck other chicks right?? you should of busted out a 5way.you and four chicks and as you came screamed out "this ones for you god"

Mormons make me lol. Scientologists make me lmfao. Any one see the episode of Southpark where they made fun of the mormons."dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb" :lol:

you have o right to be making fun of any other religion....
imagine Christianity was introduced only a month ago. yah, sounds kinda crazy right?

[Crain]

yes...100% yes.

[ryanmatthewdaily]

I'm not going to read any of the arguments because they tend to enrage me but I'll offer my capitalized, one-worded answer of NO.

[portrait of a gentleman]

It still doesn't matter. Why do we need to know. Although, it could be said that because we don't understand what "God" is or if there even is one, aka we can't comprehend something higher than us, then there must be some sort of higher power.

[leiftheviking | phc]

Absolutely not.

[wujcik]

http://www.wunderkabinett.co.uk/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/alien_icon.jpg

http://www.lilith-soft.com/black/product27/cg06.jpg

[leiftheviking | phc]

I'm actually taking a history of the bible course right now. My school (Marquette University) is Jesuit (Catholic)...

The bible has been edited and changed and shit SO MANY TIMES. I think it's a good story and maybe a slice of history - but I could never consciously agree with anything in there besides some of the core values. Just honestly silly IMHO. :o

[Johnone1]

I agree that religeon does influence people.I personally heard a woman ,mormon at that, last week saying she has to wear white clothing because she says her faith says you must or something to that degree.She actually was crying..As for god creating satan;yeah,why would god create evil then uleash it onto us?? what kind of dick would do that to his own children.Tease up with temptation that he knows fucking well we cant ignore.To reiterate my original staement

god ,sucks,and is a huge fag

[*]

here's my letter i wrote to god:

Dear Father,

I hereby retract my former statement. Due to my current circumstances, I do believe in You. The reason for this is that I would absolutely LOVE to meet You, and I know the only way to do it is to believe. I don't care if I go to Heaven or Hell, because we will one day meet either way. Just wanted to let you know that I do think you are real. Can't wait to see ya buddy!

Your Friend,
Jeffrey C. Little

[Johnone1]

has anyone ever read the book sermon on mount by emmit fox.i havent finished it yet but its real interesting.supposedly christs words not interpretation.in it emmit fox claims christ hates people who go to church on sundays basically. saying" sunday is for man to do what he wants to do not man to do what god wants to do" or something to that effect.

church=fail

[R-MONEY$$$]

the god that can be named or described is not god.

[rev. the mike]

the god that can be named or described is not god.

Great contribution, Socrates.

[R-MONEY$$$]

the god that can be named or described is not god.

Great contribution, Socrates.

it is more of a tao approach.

[RobFromFlint]

i dated a mormon for like a month... it was a bad idea

that sounds great,you get to fuck other chicks right?? you should of busted out a 5way.you and four chicks and as you came screamed out "this ones for you god"

Mormons make me lol. Scientologists make me lmfao. Any one see the episode of Southpark where they made fun of the mormons."dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb" :lol:

you have o right to be making fun of any other religion....
imagine Christianity was introduced only a month ago. yah, sounds kinda crazy right?

I have every right on the planet to make the statement I did. I LIVE IN AMERICA. Anyone has the right to say what they want about my religion as well. But I guarantee you won't find mine in a book.

[Johnone1]

noone can prove the existence of god and christ.i certainly beleive they dont care enough about us either way.

[someguy]

I can't even stress how powerful the church was up until the last 100 years.

do not exaggerate, 100 years ago was 1909 and that claim is completely inaccurate and ignorant

religion is influential, but the era that you are referring to ended in 1517 with the protestant reformation started by martin luther

once martin luther challenged the authority of the catholic church no single religion would ever rise to the front line of importance in historical events. leaders will quote scripture but we have lived in a predominantly secular world since at least the industrial revolution, arguably even the french revolution of 1789 when they cut off the head of a monarch, a person who claimed to have been put into power by god

symbolically speaking cutting off the head off king louis xviii was cutting off the head of god


you are welcome to disagree but you will find that what i have said is the general consensus of the great modern historians

That still doesn't sway my argument on the devil, at all. The church still uses Satan and fear mongering to maintain its current followers and recruit more. It's a blatant fear strategy, it's immoral, and fucked right up. That's the sole reason I walked away from Catholicism/Christianity.

ugh, only a person who has created there own beliefs could think this.

Listen:

Satan is not fear mongering, Satan is not a tool, it cannot be said that the church "uses" Satan for anything. You have cause and effect reversed. The church did not create Satan for the sake of fear mongering. The church does spread fear of punishment for sins, because Satan and hell do (in their view) exist.

Satan (to the catholic church) is a reality. If Satan is a reality, it makes perfect fucking sense to be afraid of him. That is the order that things happened in, not the other way around.

[Johnone1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS5b4PUNWLk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx-nWk593do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7Pp2gpLZcc


god loves black metal niggaz !

[Johnone1]

i bet satan if hes real was a way cooler dude then god.

[Ganglesaurusrex]

The bible is full of false claims, beliefs, and includes "events" that are completely absent from the historical record. For example: there is little to no evidence of a large number of Jews ever being in Egypt during the time of "Moses," let alone evidence of them being enslaved.

When I think of religions today I think back on Greek and Roman Mythology. Give it some time and people down the road will laugh at the shit people believed in our time.

[chimbaktu]

I can't even stress how powerful the church was up until the last 100 years.

do not exaggerate, 100 years ago was 1909 and that claim is completely inaccurate and ignorant

religion is influential, but the era that you are referring to ended in 1517 with the protestant reformation started by martin luther

once martin luther challenged the authority of the catholic church no single religion would ever rise to the front line of importance in historical events. leaders will quote scripture but we have lived in a predominantly secular world since at least the industrial revolution, arguably even the french revolution of 1789 when they cut off the head of a monarch, a person who claimed to have been put into power by god

symbolically speaking cutting off the head off king louis xviii was cutting off the head of god


you are welcome to disagree but you will find that what i have said is the general consensus of the great modern historians

That still doesn't sway my argument on the devil, at all. The church still uses Satan and fear mongering to maintain its current followers and recruit more. It's a blatant fear strategy, it's immoral, and fucked right up. That's the sole reason I walked away from Catholicism/Christianity.

ugh, only a person who has created there own beliefs could think this.

Listen:

Satan is not fear mongering, Satan is not a tool, it cannot be said that the church "uses" Satan for anything. You have cause and effect reversed. The church did not create Satan for the sake of fear mongering. The church does spread fear of punishment for sins, because Satan and hell do (in their view) exist.

Satan (to the catholic church) is a reality. If Satan is a reality, it makes perfect fucking sense to be afraid of him. That is the order that things happened in, not the other way around.


nah, he had the order right the first time. starting with the egyptians and the assimilation of the hitites, the concept of heaven and hell were introduced into religious doctrine. after that point, the jews adopted said doctrine (don't forget that judeo-christianity is a piece-meal take on several other mythologies) and changed the names. the reason why heaven and hell, more specifically hell was adopted by the priests and pushed onto the lower classes is because it created an inescapable form of punishment. it was developed as a tool of control that was far more effective than a whip.

the catholic church pushes so much shit on its believers to make them feel guilty and forever indebted to god/jesus and thus indebted to the church, that it's amazing that anybody stills buys into that shit.

[Ganglesaurusrex]

The Jewish afterlife is called She'ol and is essentially the belief that we fade to nothing. This concept was adopted by the Jews from the Zoroastrians (first Abrahamic Religion) when they were in exile in Persia (Iran).

[Ganglesaurusrex]

My favorite bullshit part of religion: GOD IS ALMOST ALWAYS A MAN. All animals came from single celled asexual organisms. So if there was some Almighty God, it would either be sexless or female.

[danchuk]

all of this bickering about religion is pathetic and going nowhere.

god-energy-spirit is real--yes.

[ZiM108]

haha this is great

[Johnone1]

all of this bickering about religion is pathetic and going nowhere.

god-energy-spirit is real--yes.

i dont think its bickering.we're having dialougue about faiths.i personally have gotten something out of it if at not at least a history lesson.

[chimbaktu]

The Jewish afterlife is called She'ol and is essentially the belief that we fade to nothing. This concept was adopted by the Jews from the Zoroastrians (first Abrahamic Religion) when they were in exile in Persia (Iran).


i'm retarded. i'm gonna play the i'm fucked up this morning card.

[Johnone1]

fuck,the afterlife.thats even more complicated a convo then the god issue.if there is a reincarnation id like to return as a mountain top over looking some fat ass point break

[Charlie Hustles]

I AM GOD.

[aveet]

people make up god because there scared, use your brains people
and no i don't believe

[shawn adair]

its like this...



http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4761/nogodsnomasters.jpg

[danchuk]

i would say that an after-life implies a 'god,' or a place to return to.
'god' is not a man. and certainly not a big man with a white beard.

yes, to my understanding, things reincarnate, but it would be unlikely that you, or anyone else, would come back as a mountain or inanimate object at this point. a purpose of life is to grow closer to the spirit, closer to god. there is no doubt that you were once something in nature such as a mountain, but to go experience that again would be to back-track, so to speak. humans are a unique form of life, and certainly 'highest in rank' when concerning the physical world of Earth.

[oldskizzle]

there is a god, no question

prove it !! and if in fact you can prove it whos to say that by now that same god who created us isnt dead? and can you prove that this god gives a shit about mankind??

That would be a very long post so im gonna have to decline. However, if I ever run into you at a comp or something i will gladly oblige.

[blah]

OOOOHHHHHMMMMMYYYYYGGGGOOOOODDDDDD

www.zeitgeistmovie.com

[rev. the mike]

i would say that an after-life implies a 'god,' or a place to return to.
'god' is not a man. and certainly not a big man with a white beard.

yes, to my understanding, things reincarnate, but it would be unlikely that you, or anyone else, would come back as a mountain or inanimate object at this point. a purpose of life is to grow closer to the spirit, closer to god. there is no doubt that you were once something in nature such as a mountain, but to go experience that again would be to back-track, so to speak. humans are a unique form of life, and certainly 'highest in rank' when concerning the physical world of Earth.

This guy is right. We morphed out of mountains and lakes, and can never go back. There is a cosmic hierarchy, atop which human life sits.

However, the idea that God is a man with a beard is patently offensive.

[Lukash]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/lukash616/yorkie_bar_quot_not_for_girls_quot.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/lukash616/yorkie_bar_quot_not_for_girls_quot.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/lukash616/yorkie_bar_quot_not_for_girls_quot.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/lukash616/yorkie_bar_quot_not_for_girls_quot.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/lukash616/yorkie_bar_quot_not_for_girls_quot.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/lukash616/yorkie_bar_quot_not_for_girls_quot.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/lukash616/yorkie_bar_quot_not_for_girls_quot.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/lukash616/yorkie_bar_quot_not_for_girls_quot.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/lukash616/yorkie_bar_quot_not_for_girls_quot.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/lukash616/yorkie_bar_quot_not_for_girls_quot.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/lukash616/yorkie_bar_quot_not_for_girls_quot.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/lukash616/yorkie_bar_quot_not_for_girls_quot.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/lukash616/yorkie_bar_quot_not_for_girls_quot.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/lukash616/yorkie_bar_quot_not_for_girls_quot.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/lukash616/yorkie_bar_quot_not_for_girls_quot.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/lukash616/yorkie_bar_quot_not_for_girls_quot.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/lukash616/yorkie_bar_quot_not_for_girls_quot.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/lukash616/yorkie_bar_quot_not_for_girls_quot.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/lukash616/yorkie_bar_quot_not_for_girls_quot.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/lukash616/yorkie_bar_quot_not_for_girls_quot.jpg

[Lukash]

*I believe in God.

[jonathan]

I believe in Arlo. Let him guide us out into the promise land (international media outlet)

[Grindguru]

Faith will save rollerblading

[Hans Hockey]

My god is better than your god !

[jonathan]

My dad can beat your dad up more better l;ike

[Hans Hockey]

http://www.weddingbee.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/25/z137906.jpg

[Apsley Cherry-Garrard]

a lot of people who hate what they call "religion" just haven't been shown pure religion, because they haven't been shown good examples by most people who claim to be religious.

i think most of the people on here who hate religion/God/the bible have no idea what the bible actually is or what it says, and i encourage you to READ it for yourselves before you try to assume what it says based upon your meetings with christians (as unfortunate as that statement is...)
chances are, you feel the way you do because you came across hypocritical, judgemental american christianity (which, if you read the bible, is not what Jesus calls for and you'll see how far a lot of the church is missing the mark) that has turned you off completely from anything having to do with those people/ideas/god.


I believe in the Father/Jesus Christ/Holy Spirit. my evidence are the changes that i've personally experienced in my life and the lives of people i know. things that don't happen from believing in fairy tales.

[Hans Hockey]

My god is better than your god !

[jonathan]

http://www.weddingbee.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/25/z137906.jpg

[Hans Hockey]

My Dawson is better than your Dawson !http://www.weddingbee.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/25/z137906.jpg

[oldskizzle]

a lot of people who hate what they call "religion" just haven't been shown pure religion, because they haven't been shown good examples by most people who claim to be religious.

i think most of the people on here who hate religion/God/the bible have no idea what the bible actually is or what it says, and i encourage you to READ it for yourselves before you try to assume what it says based upon your meetings with christians (as unfortunate as that statement is...)
chances are, you feel the way you do because you came across hypocritical, judgemental american christianity (which, if you read the bible, is not what Jesus calls for and you'll see how far a lot of the church is missing the mark) that has turned you off completely from anything having to do with those people/ideas/god.


I believe in the Father/Jesus Christ/Holy Spirit. my evidence are the changes that i've personally experienced in my life and the lives of people i know. things that don't happen from believing in fairy tales.

that was well said

[Charlie Hustles]

I worship Satan.

[jonathan]

My cry are better than your cry!http://www.weddingbee.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/25/z137906.jpg

[oldskizzle]

I worship Satan.

he's misunderstood

[jakeness13]

a lot of people who hate what they call "religion" just haven't been shown pure religion, because they haven't been shown good examples by most people who claim to be religious.

i think most of the people on here who hate religion/God/the bible have no idea what the bible actually is or what it says, and i encourage you to READ it for yourselves before you try to assume what it says based upon your meetings with christians (as unfortunate as that statement is...)
chances are, you feel the way you do because you came across hypocritical, judgemental american christianity (which, if you read the bible, is not what Jesus calls for and you'll see how far a lot of the church is missing the mark) that has turned you off completely from anything having to do with those people/ideas/god.


I believe in the Father/Jesus Christ/Holy Spirit. my evidence are the changes that i've personally experienced in my life and the lives of people i know. things that don't happen from believing in fairy tales.

i was raised in a christian family. i was brainwashed. i was a christian for 13 years of my life so you can STFU

[Hans Hockey]

My douchebag hair are better than your douchebag hair !http://www.weddingbee.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/25/z137906.jpg

[jonathan]

My hairy douchebag r better than your hairless douche!http://www.weddingbee.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/25/z137906.jpg

[Hans Hockey]

My hairy bag r better than your hairless douche!http://www.weddingbee.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/25/z137906.jpg

[jonathan]

My hairy dad r better than your hairless juice!http://www.weddingbee.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/25/z137906.jpg

[Hans Hockey]

My harry r better than your harry !http://rhymeswithright.mu.nu/images/01equus.395.jpg

[jonathan]

My harry r better than your harry !http://thegreatgeekmanual.com/images/graphical-gags/june/harry-potter-and-draco-malfoy.jpg

[Hans Hockey]

My harry r better than your harry !http://hamlet13.com/img/linked/HarryPotterGay.jpg

[Apsley Cherry-Garrard]

a lot of people who hate what they call "religion" just haven't been shown pure religion, because they haven't been shown good examples by most people who claim to be religious.

i think most of the people on here who hate religion/God/the bible have no idea what the bible actually is or what it says, and i encourage you to READ it for yourselves before you try to assume what it says based upon your meetings with christians (as unfortunate as that statement is...)
chances are, you feel the way you do because you came across hypocritical, judgemental american christianity (which, if you read the bible, is not what Jesus calls for and you'll see how far a lot of the church is missing the mark) that has turned you off completely from anything having to do with those people/ideas/god.


I believe in the Father/Jesus Christ/Holy Spirit. my evidence are the changes that i've personally experienced in my life and the lives of people i know. things that don't happen from believing in fairy tales.

i was raised in a christian family. i was brainwashed. i was a christian for 13 years of my life so you can STFU

how were you brainwashed? what made you snap out of it?

[jakeness13]

a lot of people who hate what they call "religion" just haven't been shown pure religion, because they haven't been shown good examples by most people who claim to be religious.

i think most of the people on here who hate religion/God/the bible have no idea what the bible actually is or what it says, and i encourage you to READ it for yourselves before you try to assume what it says based upon your meetings with christians (as unfortunate as that statement is...)
chances are, you feel the way you do because you came across hypocritical, judgemental american christianity (which, if you read the bible, is not what Jesus calls for and you'll see how far a lot of the church is missing the mark) that has turned you off completely from anything having to do with those people/ideas/god.


I believe in the Father/Jesus Christ/Holy Spirit. my evidence are the changes that i've personally experienced in my life and the lives of people i know. things that don't happen from believing in fairy tales.

i was raised in a christian family. i was brainwashed. i was a christian for 13 years of my life so you can STFU

how were you brainwashed? what made you snap out of it?
by being raised in a family that taught me that if i believed anything other than the ways of christianity i was a horrible person.

not sure. it just kinda happened. i was just sitting there on the couch and thought. this all seems pretty childish

[Charlie Hustles]

TIME TO KILL.

[Hans Hockey]

TIME TO CHILL.

[Apsley Cherry-Garrard]

i was raised in a christian family. i was brainwashed. i was a christian for 13 years of my life so you can STFU

how were you brainwashed? what made you snap out of it?
by being raised in a family that taught me that if i believed anything other than the ways of christianity i was a horrible person.

not sure. it just kinda happened. i was just sitting there on the couch and thought. this all seems pretty childish

this is what i meant by

chances are, you feel the way you do because you came across hypocritical, judgemental american christianity (which, if you read the bible, is not what Jesus calls for and you'll see how far a lot of the church is missing the mark) that has turned you off completely from anything having to do with those people/ideas/god.
the truth is that even people who believe in christianity are horrible people. it's for horrible people who can admit that they are horrible.

maybe we've been in a similar situation. i was also raised in a christian home - thankfully NOT one who taught me i was a horrible person if i didn't believe - and i also at one point thought that the "ways of christianity" weren't relevant, or were just a bunch of rules, and just went and did my own thing and lived how i thought i should. all i can say now is that it's real, and its not about do's and don't 's and fear and punishment, even though that's how its portrayed a lot =/
its about loving God and loving others because God has loved us.

[jakeness13]

i was raised in a christian family. i was brainwashed. i was a christian for 13 years of my life so you can STFU

how were you brainwashed? what made you snap out of it?
by being raised in a family that taught me that if i believed anything other than the ways of christianity i was a horrible person.

not sure. it just kinda happened. i was just sitting there on the couch and thought. this all seems pretty childish

this is what i meant by

chances are, you feel the way you do because you came across hypocritical, judgemental american christianity (which, if you read the bible, is not what Jesus calls for and you'll see how far a lot of the church is missing the mark) that has turned you off completely from anything having to do with those people/ideas/god.
the truth is that even people who believe in christianity are horrible people. it's for horrible people who can admit that they are horrible.

maybe we've been in a similar situation. i was also raised in a christian home - thankfully NOT one who taught me i was a horrible person if i didn't believe - and i also at one point thought that the "ways of christianity" weren't relevant, or were just a bunch of rules, and just went and did my own thing and lived how i thought i should. all i can say now is that it's real, and its not about do's and don't 's and fear and punishment, even though that's how its portrayed a lot =/
its about loving God and loving others because God has loved us.

well i respect your opinions.

but Christians here are alot different.

[Apsley Cherry-Garrard]

this is what i meant by

chances are, you feel the way you do because you came across hypocritical, judgemental american christianity (which, if you read the bible, is not what Jesus calls for and you'll see how far a lot of the church is missing the mark) that has turned you off completely from anything having to do with those people/ideas/god.
the truth is that even people who believe in christianity are horrible people. it's for horrible people who can admit that they are horrible.

maybe we've been in a similar situation. i was also raised in a christian home - thankfully NOT one who taught me i was a horrible person if i didn't believe - and i also at one point thought that the "ways of christianity" weren't relevant, or were just a bunch of rules, and just went and did my own thing and lived how i thought i should. all i can say now is that it's real, and its not about do's and don't 's and fear and punishment, even though that's how its portrayed a lot =/
its about loving God and loving others because God has loved us.

well i respect your opinions.

but Christians here are alot different.

that's a bummer to hear. maybe you could do me a favor and read the bible and tell them "you're doing it wrong" so they won't look like hypocrites and lunatics. (btw, where is "here"?)

[jakeness13]

this is what i meant by

chances are, you feel the way you do because you came across hypocritical, judgemental american christianity (which, if you read the bible, is not what Jesus calls for and you'll see how far a lot of the church is missing the mark) that has turned you off completely from anything having to do with those people/ideas/god.
the truth is that even people who believe in christianity are horrible people. it's for horrible people who can admit that they are horrible.

maybe we've been in a similar situation. i was also raised in a christian home - thankfully NOT one who taught me i was a horrible person if i didn't believe - and i also at one point thought that the "ways of christianity" weren't relevant, or were just a bunch of rules, and just went and did my own thing and lived how i thought i should. all i can say now is that it's real, and its not about do's and don't 's and fear and punishment, even though that's how its portrayed a lot =/
its about loving God and loving others because God has loved us.

well i respect your opinions.

but Christians here are alot different.

that's a bummer to hear. maybe you could do me a favor and read the bible and tell them "you're doing it wrong" so they won't look like hypocrites and lunatics. (btw, where is "here"?)

indiana.
i've read the bible several times, i pride myself on knowledge so i don't come across as a complete idiot in arguments.

[jonathan]

http://www.peacefuldriving.com/desktop-downloads/chill_out1_1024.jpg
TIME TO CHILL.

[Charlie Hustles]

Look inside yourself to find God. In reality, you are the one who is all powerful. I am the Antichrist.

[Johnone1]

ok,ok enough.lets hear from god himself.my main man manson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS5g-z2xLHg

[NathanC]

I was raised in a Christian home. but after seeing how fucked up the world is I couldn't possibly wrap my head around the concept of there being a god.


I mean, you'd seriously have to be a sadistic bastard to create something so bad.


just my opinion tho.

[Johnone1]

a lot of people who hate what they call "religion" just haven't been shown pure religion, because they haven't been shown good examples by most people who claim to be religious.

i think most of the people on here who hate religion/God/the bible have no idea what the bible actually is or what it says, and i encourage you to READ it for yourselves before you try to assume what it says based upon your meetings with christians (as unfortunate as that statement is...)
chances are, you feel the way you do because you came across hypocritical, judgemental american christianity (which, if you read the bible, is not what Jesus calls for and you'll see how far a lot of the church is missing the mark) that has turned you off completely from anything having to do with those people/ideas/god.


I believe in the Father/Jesus Christ/Holy Spirit. my evidence are the changes that i've personally experienced in my life and the lives of people i know. things that don't happen from believing in fairy tales.


can you prove that jesus actually had anything at all that had to do with these so called life changes? like scientifically? im not saying cool shit hasnt happened but maybe it would happen without god??

[danchuk]

I was raised in a Christian home. but after seeing how fucked up the world is I couldn't possibly wrap my head around the concept of there being a god.


I mean, you'd seriously have to be a sadistic bastard to create something so bad.


just my opinion tho.


yes things can be bad, but look also at how good and beautiful things can be.

this life is rough, no doubt about it, but if it were all perfect here than there would be no reason for the spirit to ever embody some sort of physical form--a form than can feel physical pain and suffering and death.

if you begin to see the spirit in all things than everything becomes beautiful and everything appears good, which it truly is. i realize this statement may seem controversial, saying everything is beautiful--but it's only my own petty vision of life.

i don't mean to single you out with the quote but you raised an excellent point.

[Charlie Hustles]

ok,ok enough.lets hear from god himself.my main man manson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS5g-z2xLHg

Sometimes it amazes me how similar my thought process and belief system is to this guy.

[Johnone1]

I was raised in a Christian home. but after seeing how fucked up the world is I couldn't possibly wrap my head around the concept of there being a god.


I mean, you'd seriously have to be a sadistic bastard to create something so bad.


just my opinion tho.


yes things can be bad, but look also at how good and beautiful things can be.

this life is rough, no doubt about it, but if it were all perfect here than there would be no reason for the spirit to ever embody some sort of physical form--a form than can feel physical pain and suffering and death.

if you begin to see the spirit in all things than everything becomes beautiful and everything appears good, which it truly is. i realize this statement may seem controversial, saying everything is beautiful--but it's only my own petty vision of life.

i don't mean to single you out with the quote but you raised an excellent point.


so your saying god is here on earth in the pysical form?? is this what im hearing? the nigga can shape shift but he cant stop innocent iraqi kids getting killed.he couldnt stop my wifes car from getting robbed the other day.nice god.way ta go.

[Johnone1]

Look inside yourself to find God. In reality, you are the one who is all powerful. I am the Antichrist.

im with hustle on this one.i am the antichrist as well.im anti the bullshit christ is supposed to be.its all up to me.hey,that rymed.

[danchuk]

I was raised in a Christian home. but after seeing how fucked up the world is I couldn't possibly wrap my head around the concept of there being a god.


I mean, you'd seriously have to be a sadistic bastard to create something so bad.


just my opinion tho.


yes things can be bad, but look also at how good and beautiful things can be.

this life is rough, no doubt about it, but if it were all perfect here than there would be no reason for the spirit to ever embody some sort of physical form--a form than can feel physical pain and suffering and death.

if you begin to see the spirit in all things than everything becomes beautiful and everything appears good, which it truly is. i realize this statement may seem controversial, saying everything is beautiful--but it's only my own petty vision of life.

i don't mean to single you out with the quote but you raised an excellent point.


so your saying god is here on earth in the pysical form?? is this what im hearing? the nigga can shape shift but he cant stop innocent iraqi kids getting killed.he couldnt stop my wifes car from getting robbed the other day.nice god.way ta go.


i'm sorry for your mom's loss. it sucks when bad things happen. i've done bad things too. i am human. but i am also 'god.' and my wrong-doings as a human do not completely denounce the existence of my eternal spirit, or anyone's.
...
well, that's the overly dramatic way to put it, anyhow.

also, too, as well: god isn't nice. 'nice' is a word we use to describe a person, or object, or what-have-you; and god is not this.

[NathanC]

haha, naw its cool.

I just don't get it.

Yah know another thing that bothers me is, You have all these people in the Christian belief (or at least the bible) that have seen god, or at least a physical manifestation of a god. But then, a few thousand years later you have nothing.

I mean you can argue personal experiences, its not my place to say what someone did or did not see. But if there was a god, I'd think it'd be a little less of a dick when you talk to it and it ignores you completely. (eg. Praying). I know Faith is a huge part of religion, and thats good and wonderful en all.

But seriously.

I mean, you got people recorded in history dieing and whatever god they believed in completely ignored em. Maybe it was some grad plan, or meant to be. (the death, the misery whatever) Maybe there some afterlife that we haven't been able to fully understand in the physical where said person was needed in. But even then, regardless of that. What was the point in the first place? I remember the first couple pages in the bible where the first sin was committed, that also seems dumb as fuck. (Because if a god created a universe in 6 days, then another six to start all over again wouldn't mean shit)

I'm not a god, nor could I ever understand a god. Because um... (well its a god, after all. they create shit and it follows their rules, who's to say there isn't a completely different set of rules that we wouldn't even know about)

too many possibilities and so little to go on. So to me its like ok, sure there maybe a god, and there might not be, I'm not denying either really because I don't know.

Thats also a huge problem I have with science, it all depends on the things we can explore in this plane of exsistance. What if theres another one? it'd be awesome to see someone prove there is. And saying there isn't would also be pretty stupid because this universe is massive, even with our "extensive" (who the fuck knows if its extensive, we haven't seen everying, we are still depending on a blue planet for life)


I could rant about this for awhile but naw, I ain't even that smart so bothering would be a moot point.

[Johnone1]

haha, naw its cool.

I just don't get it.

Yah know another thing that bothers me is, You have all these people in the Christian belief (or at least the bible) that have seen god, or at least a physical manifestation of a god. But then, a few thousand years later you have nothing.

I mean you can argue personal experiences, its not my place to say what someone did or did not see. But if there was a god, I'd think it'd be a little less of a dick when you talk to it and it ignores you completely. (eg. Praying). I know Faith is a huge part of religion, and thats good and wonderful en all.

But seriously.

I mean, you got people recorded in history dieing and whatever god they believed in completely ignored em. Maybe it was some grad plan, or meant to be. (the death, the misery whatever) Maybe there some afterlife that we haven't been able to fully understand in the physical where said person was needed in. But even then, regardless of that. What was the point in the first place? I remember the first couple pages in the bible where the first sin was committed, that also seems dumb as fuck. (Because if a god created a universe in 6 days, then another six to start all over again wouldn't mean shit)

I'm not a god, nor could I ever understand a god. Because um... (well its a god, after all. they create shit and it follows their rules, who's to say there isn't a completely different set of rules that we wouldn't even know about)

too many possibilities and so little to go on. So to me its like ok, sure there maybe a god, and there might not be, I'm not denying either really because I don't know.

Thats also a huge problem I have with science, it all depends on the things we can explore in this plane of exsistance. What if theres another one? it'd be awesome to see someone prove there is. And saying there isn't would also be pretty stupid because this universe is massive, even with our "extensive" (who the fuck knows if its extensive, we haven't seen everying, we are still depending on a blue planet for life)


I could rant about this for awhile but naw, I ain't even that smart so bothering would be a moot point.


that just proves to me god doesnt give a fuck or isnt really there.

[NathanC]

And thats the conclusion I came to dude, So I don't think about it much anymore.

[danchuk]

I could rant about this for awhile but naw, I ain't even that smart so bothering would be a moot point.



this is pretty damn smart if you ask me.



too many possibilities and so little to go on. So to me its like ok, sure there maybe a god, and there might not be, I'm not denying either really because I don't know.

[Johnone1]

I could rant about this for awhile but naw, I ain't even that smart so bothering would be a moot point.



this is pretty damn smart if you ask me.



too many possibilities and so little to go on. So to me its like ok, sure there maybe a god, and there might not be, I'm not denying either really because I don't know.


but as we've figured out whether there is or isnt he surely dont give afuck about us mang.that,we all agree on.

[danchuk]

he surely dont give afuck about us mang.that,we all agree on.


well i disagree--there is nothing which makes me believe this fact is true.

[Johnone1]

havent you ever asked for something and not gotten it but yet not asked for anything and recieved it?? this is the point to life.that there is no point,no ryme,no reason,no order.no god,etc.
when you die,you die,thats it.

fuck god!!!

[Garett]

After growing up going to church every Sunday, going to 2 Catholic schools, and knowing tons of Mormons, Christians, Jehovah. Buddhists, ect. religion should be a personal thing. My beliefs shouldn't bother other people or cause them harm. And their beliefs don't bother me, as long as they aren't inflicting harm. If you really need a meeting place for you to go and reinforce your beliefs with other like minded people, then feel free, just don't go around force feeding it and fear mongering.

The Bible preaches good morals, and is an excellent set of ground rules to lay for your child. I respect how I was raised. And I respect that my father (who was the religious one) has stepped back and let me come to my own conclusions. My brand of religion (if you can call it that) makes me happy, content with peace of mind. I don't feel the need to go to a building and agree with others about it. I definitely don't feel "wrong" or that I am missing anything, or have a void in my life, and I think that's all you can really ask for from a religion in the first place.

[danchuk]

havent you ever asked for something and not gotten it but yet not asked for anything and recieved it?? this is the point to life.that there is no point,no ryme,no reason,no order.no god,etc.
when you die,you die,thats it.

fuck god!!!


ha ha, oh.

[Johnone1]

After growing up going to church every Sunday, going to 2 Catholic schools, and knowing tons of Mormons, Christians, Jehovah. Buddhists, ect. religion should be a personal thing. My beliefs shouldn't bother other people or cause them harm. And their beliefs don't bother me, as long as they aren't inflicting harm. If you really need a meeting place for you to go and reinforce your beliefs with other like minded people, then feel free, just don't go around force feeding it and fear mongering.

The Bible preaches good morals, and is an excellent set of ground rules to lay for your child. I respect how I was raised. And I respect that my father (who was the religious one) has stepped back and let me come to my own conclusions. My brand of religion (if you can call it that) makes me happy, content with peace of mind. I don't feel the need to go to a building and agree with others about it. I definitely don't feel "wrong" or that I am missing anything, or have a void in my life, and I think that's all you can really ask for from a religion in the first place.


ok.all good.next topic please.

[Garett]

THREAD KILLER

[Johnone1]

ok.fuck it start it again.satan is the one who gives all power.if you look at the words "VALO" in the mirror it spells backwards "OLAV" which is a man who christ said he feared in the 3rd testament of shima.jon julio is the antichrist people ,wake up.

[Johnone1]

bring back this thread.bring back this thread

[Johnone1]

hey garret.you surf?? i see a surfer in your sig there.

[jonathan]

No lulz in this thread.

Boring thread is boring.

[someguy]

After growing up going to church every Sunday, going to 2 Catholic schools, and knowing tons of Mormons, Christians, Jehovah. Buddhists, ect. religion should be a personal thing. My beliefs shouldn't bother other people or cause them harm. And their beliefs don't bother me, as long as they aren't inflicting harm. If you really need a meeting place for you to go and reinforce your beliefs with other like minded people, then feel free, just don't go around force feeding it and fear mongering.

The Bible preaches good morals, and is an excellent set of ground rules to lay for your child. I respect how I was raised. And I respect that my father (who was the religious one) has stepped back and let me come to my own conclusions. My brand of religion (if you can call it that) makes me happy, content with peace of mind. I don't feel the need to go to a building and agree with others about it. I definitely don't feel "wrong" or that I am missing anything, or have a void in my life, and I think that's all you can really ask for from a religion in the first place.

I see what you are saying, but please try to see it from this perspective. Given the belief that everyone has an eternal soul and that a person who does not accept Jesus Christ as their savior thereby damns his or her eternal soul to endless pain and suffering in the afterlife, given that belief, wouldn't you be an asshole NOT to go around telling everyone about it and trying to convince them to be saved?

Wouldn't that kill you, if you believed that all non-christians were going to hell? What a sad world. And wouldn't it be enough to make you cry of frustration when people said to you "okay you have your beliefs, I'll have mine"? Because you know that won't work, and that your friends, who are probably good people for the most part, as good as a person can be, are going to hell just because they are too stubborn to repent their imperfections to a God who only wants them to ask to be forgiven for their mistakes.

I'm an atheist, by the way, I don't know why I always find myself arguing the case for hardcore christians, but I wish people wouldn't be so against organized religion. I just feel like if you look at it from their perspective, then all of a sudden all the obnoxious conversion attempts become actions with really desperately good intentions, and how can you hate someone for that?

[Apsley Cherry-Garrard]

such a legit post, someguy


EDIT:

but i do agree with the thing about force-feeding it down people's throats. bible-beating and forcing it on people don't really fit in with following Jesus. but people get frustrated and sometimes resort to it out of lack of patience or lack of a more graceful way of stating their claims.

[RobFromFlint]

After growing up going to church every Sunday, going to 2 Catholic schools, and knowing tons of Mormons, Christians, Jehovah. Buddhists, ect. religion should be a personal thing. My beliefs shouldn't bother other people or cause them harm. And their beliefs don't bother me, as long as they aren't inflicting harm. If you really need a meeting place for you to go and reinforce your beliefs with other like minded people, then feel free, just don't go around force feeding it and fear mongering.

The Bible preaches good morals, and is an excellent set of ground rules to lay for your child. I respect how I was raised. And I respect that my father (who was the religious one) has stepped back and let me come to my own conclusions. My brand of religion (if you can call it that) makes me happy, content with peace of mind. I don't feel the need to go to a building and agree with others about it. I definitely don't feel "wrong" or that I am missing anything, or have a void in my life, and I think that's all you can really ask for from a religion in the first place.

I see what you are saying, but please try to see it from this perspective. Given the belief that everyone has an eternal soul and that a person who does not accept Jesus Christ as their savior thereby damns his or her eternal soul to endless pain and suffering in the afterlife, given that belief, wouldn't you be an asshole NOT to go around telling everyone about it and trying to convince them to be saved?

Wouldn't that kill you, if you believed that all non-christians were going to hell? What a sad world. And wouldn't it be enough to make you cry of frustration when people said to you "okay you have your beliefs, I'll have mine"? Because you know that won't work, and that your friends, who are probably good people for the most part, as good as a person can be, are going to hell just because they are too stubborn to repent their imperfections to a God who only wants them to ask to be forgiven for their mistakes.

I'm an atheist, by the way, I don't know why I always find myself arguing the case for hardcore christians, but I wish people wouldn't be so against organized religion. I just feel like if you look at it from their perspective, then all of a sudden all the obnoxious conversion attempts become actions with really desperately good intentions, and how can you hate someone for that?


Nice post, and coming from an Atheist it shows you have alot of respect for your fellow man and his freedoms.