KRBNZ, Racing Boots, Remz and Remedyz etc...

[joeymc]

Keep in mind I have yet to try a pair of Carbons on and i'm still interested in trying them... But:

I have a pair of K2 Radical 90's in size 8.5 that I've used for a few years... When I think of this type of skate being adapted for grinds and such... There is just something that seems like it wouldn't feel right for park/street skating. My ankles start to bleed just thinking about it. Obviously the construction is different between a radical 90 and a carbon. But the general feel of the skates would be similar.

Originally I thought they might skate like the OG remedyz. However, the more I think about how different my OG's feel than my racing skates... The Carbon hype in my brain begins to fade... I think these skates aren't going to hold a candle to the OG remedyz. But they could be fun to try out.

A lot of the excited reactions/hype comes from people saying they are light and compact. Many of these people haven't tried racing boots before so obviously they will be excited by a different feeling boot... In the end a light, compact boot doesn't matter as much as the feeling of the skate(for me at least). The Carbons might just feel weird... But again... I'm interested in trying some to put the rest of the hype out in my brain.

Any thoughts?

[UnknownPleasures]

I've said they are very weird.

They feel like roller hockey blades with soulplates.

[al dolega]

BUT JOEY

BEING COMPACT IS WHAT MAKES THEM LOOK SOOOO GOOD WITH PANTZ














































PANTZ

[joeymc]

Ha ha ha. General gossip tradition sneaks it's way into the Reviews and Hardware board.

It's true though...

PANTZ.

[s.]

BUT JOEY

BEING COMPACT IS WHAT MAKES THEM LOOK SOOOO GOOD WITH PANTZ


PANTZ

YA THEY LIEK SNEAKERZ
THEY GOOD

[al dolega]

For cereal though...

The rigidity/energy transfer is the biggest benefit of the Carbon, IMO, but I think what we'll find eventually (hopefully the skate gets to that point) is that the carbon-baseplate design skates better for most people with more padding, to make the skate not only more comfortable but also a little less "twitchy"; and with a more conventional plastic cuff replacing the top bit of the ankle "wings" that the baseplate has now.

Rigidity and energy transfer is great but only to a point, past that it's just harshness, and I think for what we do, there definitely needs to be a more supportive and most importantly more progressive ankle flex. As the skate is now, in the cuff there is rigid carbon, and then flimsy leather... and no transition between the two.

The Remedy was actually a pretty flexible-based skate... the frame mounting wasn't super secure, being all polyurethane (boot material), and the base of the heel wasn't the most rigid thing in the world. What people are remembering about the Remedy when they say the Carbons are just like them is the low cuff, the small pointy overall shape, and the softboot letting the lacing system actually do something... they're definitely not remembering how Remedyz eventually warped in the frame mount and were far, far, far from as rigid in the base as the Carbon.

[al dolega]

GOT MAH KARBUNZ ON, THEY LOOK LIKE SNEAKERSSSSS

[jakeordie]

There's more to rollerblading than your skates being really, really, ridiculously good looking.

[al dolega]

LIES








...........audi-whatty?

[Shahiem]

I love my Carbons. I think the rigidity and smallness is what makes them unique. I love knowing that my skates will retain their rigidity and not just give out like the older model Deshis did. I also like the individual shell sizing as well, because now I can actually have skates that fit my feet instead of suffering for 4 months for my skates to stretch and fit right. I feel that Deshi has a good thing going for those who want to try the skates will know that they will last. The only problem about their material choice is that it takes a bit to break in, but what skates don't? I can live with skates that fit at first and wait for them to break in, because I know I'm going to have comfortable ass neoprene molded to my foot and my style of skating after it.
/wall of text.

[jakeordie]

KRBNZ.....so hot right now.

[joeymc]

JakeorDie's posts are so great. Al you are right about a uber rigid base. Especially by describing it as "twitcy". What a great description for the feel of a skate. That's right on the money on why i think they'll skate weird.

I think something that JakeorDie had talked about in the past was controlling the skate through the footbed rather than the cuff area. I think the KHRBNZ cuff design isn't going to allow for the right side to side flex hence the TWITCH factor. But of course you already stated that too.

I like how the remedyz skates are like putting your foot in a Vagina(UFS Remz are looser Vaginas). Flexier plastic wings with more padding and a velcro strap would make the Carbon's pretty rad for my feet(maybe not for all feet). You would think a Carbon based skate would have come out by now for street/park... I wonder if more companies will start experimenting with it? Or TEH KARBUNZ will be a cult skate?

I finally got my OG remedyz back in action with some classic fifty-50 frames, new wheels and bearings(big hole in the backslide and the boot needs some stitching). With a more rigid frame like a fifty-50 core... I think the base/boot can have some flex as long as the frame is designed really well.

Maybe 3 point mounts for frames in the future? No?

[justinthursday]

JakeorDie's posts are so great. Al you are right about a uber rigid base. Especially by describing it as "twitcy". What a great description for the feel of a skate. That's right on the money on why i think they'll skate weird.

I think something that JakeorDie had talked about in the past was controlling the skate through the footbed rather than the cuff area. I think the KHRBNZ cuff design isn't going to allow for the right side to side flex hence the TWITCH factor. But of course you already stated that too.

Maybe 3 point mounts for frames in the future? No?

I think a lot of people are going to love them for ahwile then either hate them or love them even more when the cuff goes totally flexible rather than stiff as hell like evryone is claiming. maybe they changed that somehow but honestly i hope they didnt.
Because they didnt warp over like old deshis and new remz
they are perfectly centered but with insane amounts of flex.
the pair i skated were at leats 6 months old and so mother fucking flexy.
it was difficult to skate at first and i though "great..." but after 20 mins i was in love with the amount of control i had on them
being able to move the boot into position with my feet(controlling them with the foot bed) rather then being held back by a rigid cuff
after i skated the carbons i couldnt skate my razors SLs anymore
i switched to salomons for the low flexible cuff and have been in love ever since.

as for the 3 point mount
ive been wanting to try that for awhile but havent thought about it long enough to come up with something. lol

[Alex Coe]

I hate the term "breaking in." What the fuck does that mean? I know it can't mean the same thing to everyone.

[DanielBreuer]

CARBONS CARBONS CARBONS EVERYWHEREZ.













More pantz.

[Shahiem]

I hate the term "breaking in." What the fuck does that mean? I know it can't mean the same thing to everyone.

Breaking in to me is usually after about 6-8 sessions when the skates start to feel more and more comfortable with each session. Just mainly after the liner and shell soften up a little bit is what it means to me.

[Mudhut Jollyrancher]

CARBONS CARBONS CARBONS EVERYWHEREZ.













More pantz.

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[941MAN]

square pockets ftl

[Alex Coe]

I hate the term "breaking in." What the fuck does that mean? I know it can't mean the same thing to everyone.

Breaking in to me is usually after about 6-8 sessions when the skates start to feel more and more comfortable with each session. Just mainly after the liner and shell soften up a little bit is what it means to me.

Then I am assuming that you think the liner and shell loose their molecular stability after 6-8 sessions? Perhaps a fabric could be stretched after so many hours but I have a very hard time believing that any skate shell on the market would loose it's shape before a year of skating. The exceptions would be shells that are made of glue and fabric, like Remz and old Deshi.

[jomu]

*lose