The future of Earth and Human civilization, the death of Governments

[Garett]

You can skip through all the matrix shit in the first part, but yeah. I've heard of the pvenus project before, and it's basically true utopia on earth, and completely feasible. Is this the solution to our global crisis? The way the planet is managed and ran is wrong. It's finally imploding in on itself, greed and special interests corrupt and put money before humanity. It's totally unsustainable and you'd have to be a moron to think it can just keep on going the way it is. Honestly I would throw everything away to live on a planet like this. Thoughts? Hippy rants? Honestly, why the fuck aren't we living like this yet? Economic slavery.

[*ROYALwithCHEESE*]

Die hippy scum!

[tyson]

i didn't watch it but i honestly i bet its a good idea. but no matter what there'll be some fuck face who is still concerned about the thickness of his wallet, his red ferrari compensating for his man hood, and the silly bimbo thats in it for the money....

[Grindguru]

no matter what there'll be some fuck face who is still concerned about the thickness of his wallet, his red ferrari compensating for his man hood, and the silly bimbo thats in it for the money....

This

And most read history, but very few learn anything from it

[Red Rider]

I still don't really understand the Venus project. I skimmed the website and just saw a bunch of fancy drawings of future houses and stuff. The fact is, there is work to be done and I don't see how we as a society can motivate each other to do that work without financial compensation. For instance, if I'm a farmer and I grow acres and acres of food, what's motivating me to continue to do so and feed everybody else if I'm not being compensated for it anymore?

[wujcik]

as long as money and fast cars get pussy this will never happen.

[formerly galenaskater]

as long as money and fast cars get pussy this will never happen.

roughly translated

THIS

[*ROYALwithCHEESE*]

Shit wont happen because people with the money get the money for a reason.
That being they only do things that would benefit themselves financially.
Unless of course their spreading the fake word of god, for which again,they do it because it will benefit them financially later on and its fun controlling the weaker minded.

[Charlie Hustles]

I have watched this before and I just watched it again. At first, it seems like they have some promising ideas, but, upon further reflection, many significant flaws become apparent.

They say that they are going to do away with The State, but, in reality, they are simply installing an oligarchy. (Remember: Absolute power corrupts absolutely.)

"For a movement to be “political,” it doesn’t require political parties and leadership; political movements can be non-hierarchical and have nothing to do with the state . . . "

" . . . Marx’s acknowledgements are spot-on; it is his techniques on how to have revolution that many believed to be flawed. Marx favored an educated sect of the working-class, what he referred to as the dictatorship of the proletariat, running a transition state which would yield a stateless, classless, society, sans monetary systems . . . "

These two quotes are from The Problem With "Zeitgeist", a very thought-provoking critique on this subject.



Another flaw would be the underlying premise that technology is always good or at least neutral. There are many people who would certainly disagree.

Green anarchism on Technology:

"Technology is seen as a system rather than a specific physical tool. Technology, it is argued, requires the exploitation of the environment through the creation and extraction of resources, and the exploitation of people through labor, work, and slavery, industrialism, specialization and the division of labor. There is no "neutral" form of technology as things are always created in a certain context with certain aims and functions. Green technology is rejected as an attempt to reform this exploitative system, merely changing it on the surface to make it seem environmentally friendly, despite sustained levels of human and natural exploitation. In place of modern technology, green anarchists favor small-scale technology, using more sustainable and local resources."

Anarcho-primitivism on Technology:

"Primitivists denounce modern technology completely. They see it as a complex system involving division of labor, resource extraction, and exploitation for the benefit of those who implement its process. They argue that the interface with and result of modern technology is always an alienated, mediated, and distorted reality. Modern technology too, like science, is seen as not being value-neutral. The values and goals of those who produce and control technology are believed always to be embedded within it.

Modern technology is held by primitivists to be distinct from simple tools in many regards. A simple tool is considered a temporary usage of an element within our immediate surroundings, used for a specific task. Tools are not viewed as involving complex systems which alienate the user from the act. Primitivists claim that this separation is implicit in technology, which creates an unhealthy and mediated experience which leads to various forms of authority. Domination is said to increase every time a modern "time-saving" technology is created, as primitivists claim it necessitates the construction of more technology to support, fuel, maintain, and repair the original technology. It is argued by primitivists that this leads very rapidly to the establishment of a complex technological system that seems to have an existence independent of the humans who created it. Primitivists believe that this system methodically destroys, eliminates, or subordinates the natural world, constructing a world fit only for machines."



To once again quote the first article that I mentioned . . .

" . . . Zeitgeist . . . is, after all, weak in theory, and seems to come from a film-maker who realized that the conspiracism that made his first video so popular is losing momentum (this is certainly a good thing that the alienated, mostly white males, who patronized the intellectually bankrupt industry of distraction seem to be abandoning it). But it is sort of quasi-anarchistic, and quite popular. This gives libertarians, whether Marxian or anarchist, an opportunity to discuss their ideas with people who may have previously been unsympathetic to anarchism. It can be a nice segue, like “You know, this whole Zeitgeist thing is pretty close to anarchism.”

[wujcik]

chuck.
maybe you spent too much time away.



WALL OF TEXT.




Same rules as email:
no double spaceing
simple subject
NO BIGGER THAN THE BOX GIVEN - that is what attachments are for

[Charlie Hustles]

Personally, I enjoy walls of text.



"What's today's mathematics, son?"

"Knowledge, God."

[portrait of a gentleman]

Personally, I enjoy walls of text.



"What's today's mathematics, son?"

"Knowledge, God."

The Chef <3

[Charlie Hustles]

Pot.

[Charlie Hustles]

Anybody know any other good "utopia" documentaries?

[Supernintendo Chalmers]

greed and special interests corrupt and put money before humanity.

wrong. greed IS humanity because life is nothing more than a competition for resources. if people didn't kill each other for money then they would do it for land, food, water, or whatever is deemed valuable at the time. haven't you noticed that the only ones complaining about this are the ones who have the least or who aren't getting a share? that should tell you something right there.

[Charlie Hustles]

Would there need to be competition for resources if their abundance was not manipulated into scarcity?

I have had and currently have my "piece of the pie" (though, I have come to realize that I require a significantly smaller piece to be happy than I used to think). How do you explain my beliefs?

[Supernintendo Chalmers]

the argument in this case is the assumption that the only way to organize human society and the only form of organization that has only existed, is a ruthless and cutthroat life where those at the top are there because they earned and deserve to be there and those at the bottom have personally failed

just because we have fast cars and ipods doesn't mean we are immune to natural selection. excluding chance, if you're on top then it's most likely because you or your ancestors did something better than everyone else. if you're on the bottom then it's most likely because you or your ancestors fucked up.

[randy lahey]

personally i'm pretty thankful the west was able to mechanize industries and individuals. i think it's pretty cool that a fraction of an hour at our minimum wage can buy a pack of t-shirts.

[Charlie Hustles]

I'm sure the planet and our children's children won't be so thankful.

[BEEF]

there comes a point where you are taught something so much that those who have a reason to proliferate the argument, those who are benefiting from the current situation, those who created the arguments in the first place no longer even have to argue for it themselves because they have people like Chalmers over here who does it for them

the argument in this case is the assumption that the only way to organize human society and the only form of organization that has only existed, is a ruthless and cutthroat life where those at the top are there because they earned and deserve to be there and those at the bottom have personally failed; you could call it institutionalized informal slavery, when you realize that this is not and has not been the only way to exist, both historically and theoretically, you start to say to yourself WHAT THE FUCK and become i guess the term is a dissident; but when you accept this perspective this is how a discourse--- 'knowledge'---- keeps people in line with the status quo

but even somebody like me is benefiting enormously from the status quo; a person in a 'developing' country is getting the true shaft; regardless, even if i am benefiting i am at least AWARE of this and i am very upset by it, i don't think i will be a complacent little middle class consumer for long

top / most dominant exists in nature and has for billions of years, down to the smallest 'most successful' microorganisms. Competition & rank are inherent in LIFE literally, lifeforms. survival is the goal and success drives each being. its too inherent to fix with some system, no matter how well organized or thought out that might be.