Can someone enlighten me on the UFS mounts discussion?
What's the story? Did they make them too close together? Anyone can give me the short version. Did they fuck up with the placement?
Do you ever think about how skates would feel really good with an h-block mount that actually mounts into the boot as a central 3rd mount?
I'm excited for my Bont skates to come because they have a 3 point mounting system.
In the past I've felt the mounts are too close together to allow for the perfect groove with flat setups. Take the average foot size (US9) and corresponding average wheelbase (250mm), centre the mounts between outer & middle wheels and you get 167mm.....UFS does not account for splitting middle wheels. I think this limits the split for flat setups with the lowest possible stance height. Today's frames are proof, in order to stretch the split to 130mm or more they sacrifice the lower stance height.
I think the mounts could be stretched to 180mm and still accommodate a small frame of 235-240mm wheelbase. This frame wouldn't have the 130+mm split, but the new standard would allow for an ideal flat setup without eliminating short frames. Another way of looking at it today's big-split frames (Element, SlimLine) could be made lower, and lowest frames (GC, Fifty-50) could make splits & grooves ideal for flat.
I've considered some different opinions & new possibilities since, I'm interested to see where this thread goes.
I ride 135mm frames so i would like the split to only be slightly bigger
ive alwasy wanted a middle mount
there just hasnt been a good way to do it myself since all frames are hollow right there,,
K2 knew what was up!
I am fine with where the mounts are...I think the problem is frame companies have poorly designed "flat" frames. They offer horrible h-blocks with litte wheel protection. They try to compensate with widening the inner split but to do so they add frame height. If companies would stop making the h-blocks as close to the boot as possible we would not need such a wide split.
IMO 1st Gen Ables are the best frames for flat. The h-block position is perfect. I bet they would of sold more frames if they came out with both rounded and triangular h-blocks. If they were smart they would bring back the original frames.
another thing
i think it would be very very easy for a boot company to make adjustable frame mounts
to use a new system as well as the current one
yeah it would be now that i think of itOriginally Posted by justinthursday
The original Metric mounts were flippable, this allowed a short 225mm frame or a split of 120mm for the other lengths.
And Razors has this in the works; http://www.google.com/patents?id=6TYUAAAAEBAJ
razors =The original Metric mounts were flippable, this allowed a short 225mm frame or a split of 120mm for the other lengths.
And Razors has this in the works; http://www.google.com/patents?id=6TYUAAAAEBAJ
i wonder when those will come out, the patent was issued in 2005
interesting that wagener used a remz shell for the skate diagram
its all Sunshine Dist. anyways
yea ive seen that patent
im talking even simpler than that hto
Here's the drawing I did to show how everything fits together;
235mm min wheelbase & 130mm max split, but not together.....unless you skate 52s flat.
yes!
how is the actual building of frmaes coming along jake?
the razors thing looks like the kids size gen shell thats adjustable, is it not?
Remember: "It is better to keep your [hands still] and appear stupid than to [respond] and remove all doubt."
produce these, im really digging the wide ass grooveHere's the drawing I did to show how everything fits together;
235mm min wheelbase & 130mm max split, but not together.....unless you skate 52s flat.
I watched this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG7GKQCEDZ0 and it looks like a different setup to me.
Sure thing, what boots you gonna bolt on 'em?produce these, im really digging the wide ass grooveHere's the drawing I did to show how everything fits together;
235mm min wheelbase & 130mm max split, but not together.....unless you skate 52s flat.
FUKING FAIL. IF YOU WANT WIDE ASS STUPID GROOVES THEN BUY THE STREAMLINES/XJSJADO FRAMES YOU FUCKING KIKEproduce these, im really digging the wide ass grooveHere's the drawing I did to show how everything fits together;
235mm min wheelbase & 130mm max split, but not together.....unless you skate 52s flat.
wuckin it.
For now I've taken a different path towards the same end. Oli lined up the opportunity to advise the Powerslide engineers on how to fix the groove for the SlimLine 2. Here's what I sent them;
I hear they are also modifying the frame like Al has been doing to SlimLine 1s, to allow flat 56s rockered up.
Make these!
i might pay $100 for that frame..For now I've taken a different path towards the same end. Oli lined up the opportunity to advise the Powerslide engineers on how to fix the groove for the SlimLine 2. Here's what I sent them;
I hear they are also modifying the frame like Al has been doing to SlimLine 1s, to allow flat 56s rockered up.
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