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Don't mind me
Last edited by uncle blake; 14.05.2011 at 00:22. Reason: Hadn't read any of thread
But he had the information that he was getting 1,5$ per unit, indifferent of what price the Conference sold them to other parties.
fucking people. are you serious? let me break this down for everyone (including colin) so that MAYBE people will learn something, or at the very least understand what is going on.
here is colin's argument:
if he gets $1.50 for each pair sold, that's fine. but he wants to know how much the conference is getting for each pair sold. if he is only getting 1% of the profit share, and they are getting 99% of the profit share, then that is fucked up.
here is why it doesn't matter:
colin (and EVERY SINGLE PRO SKATER OUT THERE) are not really pro skaters -- they are independent advertisers. INDEPENDENT ADVERTISERS. they agree to advertise a product for ANOTHER company. colin kelso, chris farmer, richie eisler... they are all independent advertisers for another company. they advertise for them by using their products and putting their name on the products. the company selling the product has absolutely no reason to tell a 3rd party company (the pro skater) what % of the profit is that they get for the advertisement. Pro skaters are paid $800-1300 for advertising the product, and then a portion of the sales on top of that. Colin wants to know WHAT percentage of the sales his $1.50 is, so that he will know whether or not he's getting fucked over (which he is). BUT, it is not the responsibility of the company to tell the advertiser the % of profit they are being given. their job is to advertise. the company pays them a fee to do that advertising. period.
"professional rollerblader" isn't a job. they are "professional advertisers," and there is no reason for the company that they advertise for to disclose the numbers. that's not how business/advertising relationships work.
maybe try another industry. perhaps one that is legit.
'Just curious' or what? Like really - why would you care? Shit isn't some big cover-up; it's none of your business.Originally Posted by sharkyROL
You didn't read the part about humanity and good nature?
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I don't think capitalism runs on humanity and good nature.
dude, it's business. humanity and good nature do not compute. sorry you were naive.
so you would deceive another skater because business is business? cool dude
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Two ians agree: just chill bruh.
Also nondisclosure =/= deception.
so what do you think it equals ?
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Nunya dam business. You're a skater not a business partner.
so you would deceive another skater because business is business?
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I wouldn't own a business where that would be an issue. If I ever own a business non-disclosure is unethical to a patient but is absolutely necessary to most third parties.
this. being concerned about money in rollerblading is stupid. there's hardly any to begin with. and regardless of how much he gets paid, how many people actually own carbons? I'm thinking not enough that it would be a substantial amount that he could live off of.
I got 3 pair. Almost $5... $$$$$$
your missing the point. people who arent reading and remembering what i said should not post here. we all agree numbers are low, but how low? reference back to first post and then you'll see how your comment isnt on par with what im talking about
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colin, you don't get it. you aren't their employee. you aren't their partner. you are advertising for them, and that's it. you don't get access to that information. rollerblading or not, that isn't how business works.
Even if he's considered an employee, he's pretty low on the business chain unless the business chooses for him to be higher. Given that he later made some crazy threat to release e-mails if he wasn't given $3000, not telling him things like profit margins was a good call.
Say I'm a pizza guy. I deliver pizzas all over town. People see the logo on my car, and sometimes it makes them want pizza more than they would have otherwise. Sometimes I even help make the pizzas. If I start demanding the owner tell me how much profit he makes on the pizza, he can choose to tell me, choose not to, or fire me if I'm being enough of a pain in the ass about it.
Interesting point about the skaters being "advertisers"..
so you're saying, once a tv add is made (or a pro boot) the advertisers job is done... but for every time that add is aired (or the skate is sold) they receive $?
if this was the case then when bambrick was fired he would still receive his commissions on the skates razor made with his name on them...
so if razor made 5000 of the boot. (with his name on them)
shipped out 1000 to stores for the release
fired Bambrick
then sold the other 4000 (that had his name on them)
did Bambrick get paid for the other 4000?
only way he would know if he knew how many units were produced and how much he got per unit...
looking at it that way i kinda see that the % is not really important...
if you agree to $1.50 from each skate then that's the deal you have made...
if its on the sale price then the % is going to be different on different orders, as was mentioned.. so will look like this.
shop A - 1.5%
shop B - 1.275%
shop C - 1%
shop D - 0.75%
shop E - 1.33333333334%
I do understand that you want total transparency and a family like feel within the rollerblading industry...
I don't really see why seeing a list of percentages is so important to you, as it makes no difference to your $$$..
At the end of the day you agreed to $1.50 so that's what you get.....
If you had that list though you could see which stores were ordering and getting a discount..
Which is not necessary information for a pro skater to have.
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