PRO CONTENT; ON-LINE & DVD...

**NickL** · 09.06.2012, 00:33

In my mind, I would rather see a Jon Bolino section like the one in Pariah once every 1.5 years than see a handful of little edits from him. I waited for it, and it was awesome. On the other hand, I would probably rather see a bi-monthly Richie Eisler edit than have to wait for a video section of him to come out. It's just how those guys work. This leads me to believe that the way media is released should kind of be up to the skater who's in it. I'm not sure where advertising or brand promotion would fall into this, but I'm not really sure it changes much. If the quality of the skating is high, people start jocking it and there you go, right? Couldn't the answer to this question simply be, don't release crap? Pariah sets a good standard for videos, and B Smith's edit or the stuff Eisler puts out is a good standard for online edits.

**uncle blake** · 09.06.2012, 00:48

Hallelujah Jesus, I know this is a touchy subject because you are at the epicenter of american pro blading but I'm tired of the stagnancy. This is nothing personal to any specific individual Pro/AM/Head... I started this thread to generate conversation, and create awareness. Awareness for who ever cares.

Originally Posted by jesus

You lose money on DVDs.
Why continue to produce them?

Most pros put out at least an online part to promote a pro skate, and then shorter edits to promote wheels, etc.

Where's the Alex Burston promo edit (starring Burston)?

It isn't very practical financially to fly someone somewhere to film an online edit every few months, and if you don't have the right people behind it then it will look stupid. Homie cam and leftover edits are garbage.

I think you are over thinking it, and your expectations are too high. You are being a prisoner to you own standards.

Going to pro am contests are fun, but then you get the little kids who talk shit when the pros don't want to compete against Johnny 'I'll break both my legs trying to win a backpack' Johnson. Showing up is also a joke in such a small industry because little kids don't even get excited to see 'pros' anymore.

I would argue that people just want to see them skate regardless of placing. There will always be that "falling off" criticism but that just comes with being a professional athlete in a competitive setting. A skate contest can leave the area or even state buzzing for weeks after, or even months. Buzzing excitement leeds to sales. I see it every year after the pow-wow.

From my understanding an 'epic' video part means more to a skater (especially the ones that have put out 20 parts, have driven rollerblading for over a decade, and continue to influence the sport) means far more than an online edit that gets showcased next to all the garbage on the rollernews feeds and is forgotten about 60 days later.

-Isn't this the obvious? Not following your point here.

Body of work alone most the people I get the enjoyment of working with have put out more content already in their career than anyone in the past 10 years will put out before they decide to quit skating.

-No one is knocking character here, and no is knocking ones body of work. Every pro athlete retires, even the legends.

I get that 'hungry' ams try and kill themselves with online edits, but as a person who watches all the things that filter through online I couldn't name you 6 kids that are 'up and comers' that I respect for their 'online presence'.

-"Hungry Am" isn't limited to internet edits. This mentality has been around since VHS, and is clearly recognizable over the longevity of ones spotlight as a pro skater.

Guess I am just old fashioned and silly, but coming from a person who spent the last 2 years sleeping in the van and throwing a good $60,000 at producing fresh content with top pros on never before seen obstacles it sure is refreshing to know that nobody cares as Franco Shade so eloquently put it. The people who do care, just so happen to be our friends.

-and some of us appreciate that fresh content but as you stated earlier, "you lose money." Are fresh obstacles killing your budget?

Sorry for trolling the thread, I'll leave, and every body can go back to being discontent with the 'pros' not trying to kill themselves for free.

No, thank you for dropping in to enlighten us. Some of use actually want answers. It's unreasonable to ask anyone to kill themselves for free. I think most of us just want to see the best skaters no matter what they are skating.

**Apsley Cherry-Garrard** · 09.06.2012, 02:25

Originally Posted by NickL

In my mind, I would rather see a Jon Bolino section like the one in Pariah once every 1.5 years than see a handful of little edits from him.

but even Bolino throwaways are better than every am/flow/no-namer edit that will come out all year.

AJ, nobody is forcing you to live the way you do except yourself. Quinn Feldman has nowhere near the talent behind the lens or on in the editing room, but he is able to put out incredible sections of Iain and Gallegos without living in a van and bitching about how little he is appreciated. Strange Creatures dude doesn't live in a van and still puts out nice stuff. Tra puts out good content without living in a van, bitching about people ripping him off and not appreciating him. BMO put out City Never Sleeps while working and paying rent. Are you so much above BMO that you need to live in a van and bitch all the time? you could learn some stuff from him. you dont have to be an itinerant in order to do what you do. you treat yourself and your friends like martyrs when you are simply cutting off your nose to spite your face. you could VERY EASILY work a regular job and pay rent someplace and still produce top quality shit --- ESPECIALLY since all the best riders are your friends. please, dude, STOP BITCHING.

Originally Posted by jesus

Sorry for trolling the thread, I'll leave, and every body can go back to being discontent with the 'pros' not trying to kill themselves for free.

yeah, cause there aren't 10,000 kids around the world going out, skating every day, killing themselves.... for free

oh wait. they aren't... they PAY for their gear, so its even worse than doing it for free.

**Nick Tary** · 09.06.2012, 04:12

I found a key on the sidewalk today and picked it up.

I've been trying to jam it in every keyhole but no luck!

Tomorrow I'm going to try again, but this time I'm going to be much more well-equipped. I've got a backpack full of cheese, coffee, clove cigarettes, and a bag of random keys I found on the street.

If I'm able to turn the door with the key I found I will let you know. Hopefully it will be filled with cheeses and not more keys, Jesus.