what does chris farmer have to do with adapt and what is this power you speak of?Originally Posted by jakeordie
what does chris farmer have to do with adapt and what is this power you speak of?
I understand your point. But I really think this kind of business would damage a companys rep - Valo has probably the best rep in the game, the best skaters, the best videos etc. Why would they intentionally release a low quality skate just to damage the rep of CF just in case smaller companies decide to get in on the game? It just doesn't compute. The best thing for them would be to release an awesome, solid quality skate and compete on quality, rather than damaging the rep of a material. Valo skates are 50% (more or less) the cost of Adapt, and if the quality was sound, they would have no worries at all.
I'd give up on PS if the USD carbon wasn't what I would consider to be the best skate on the market right now (other than adapt, which I cannot come close to affording and haven't tried).
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Last edited by jakeordie; 27.10.2012 at 07:00.
How do you know roces made the light shells? I didn't know that.
What reason would PS have to lower the of their most sucessful skate in years other than to damage the rep of CS? I just dont think thsts gonna happen.
I agree with Daniel.
Conspiracy for conspiracy's sake, is what that sounds like. If I, the consumer, see that one company makes shitty skates with a given material, my intuition isn't to swear off the material, but to mistrust the company/ their production methods. Even if I do get a bad taste for carbon fiber, because of bad experiences with Valo, for instance, an upstart company like adapt will still be able to win confidence if initial reviews of their products are good. No matter how bad a current line of carbon skates are, if another company produces one that is of high quality, word will get around and overcome any stigma that existed on the basis of other companies' fuck ups.
It makes way more sense to me that the quality of the Valo lights is low because they tried to produce the skates in a lower-quality/lower cost way in order to maximize profit than that they had some long term agenda to poison the minds of consumers at the cost of their immediate reputation, image, sales, etc.
Ruining your own product in the name of potential diminished competition in the future would require a seriously weird sense of priorities/reality.
...and despite Valo and USD to an extent having a dodgy rep with CF, Adapt seem to be enjoying total confidence in their product.
I love my USD carbons, loved my Deshi carbons, have no real problems with them, quality does seem to slide a bit from pair to pair but not enough to make me lose any faith in them. Pretty sure people have broken plastic shells over time, I mean I broke at least 10 pairs of xsjado cuffs.
There is no grey area as to who owns Valo. Valo the company is owned by JJ. They dont make anything, all skates are manufactured by Roces for Valo.
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Last edited by jakeordie; 27.10.2012 at 07:00.
So you think Roces are intentionally making low-quality CF shells to damage the rep of CF in the 'aggressive' industry to prevent startups using CF to gain market share?
Even though their only skate sales in this industry is through Valo now, which has a reasonable rep for quality?
I dunno man.
I am still curious to why people think Adapts are so expensive. The USD Carbon IV is 309 euros compared to the adapt one bootonly being 349. The difference of 40 euros can't be that shocking considering they make them theirselves, use really good quality carbon/leather and pay 30 euros to Ben for each Harmanus model they sell. Oh, and 3 euros goes to the team for each skate sold so kudos on them for doing that too.
I hear a lot of rants about Powerslide and how they do not properly pay their riders for products being sold with their name on it, yet when a company does what is considered fair and good for the industry people bitch about it being too expensive.
Not that I am looking at anyone in particular here, it just strikes me as odd. If we want rollerblading to become something we can all be proud off, we need more companies like Adapt. They are releasing their Vegans soon which will sell at 249 if I am not mistaking while also still contributing to the team.
Then again, there is a reason I never posted on here anymore since 2005.
USD Carbon 2: £209 (Boot)
USD CArbon 4: £279 !!!!
Adapt: £277 (boot)
I guess £70 is a pretty big deal, especially when most people can't afford Carbons in the first place. I know I can't, but then maybe i'm not Adapts target market. Fuck the carbon 4s though.
If the vegan makes it under £200 the odds of me buying it increase dramatically.
The Vegan should be around 221 pound, but we will have to wait for them to actually see the light of day.
Last edited by JJ; 09.07.2012 at 04:49. Reason: Updated the price of the Vegans
Oh god thanks !!!
Do you mean they've been getting progressively worse, or that the quality fluctuates from good to bad?
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