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    Do skates determine style?

    How much do skates determine style? In general and for you personally?

    Watching PROGRAM and a few other edits again I decided to discuss something that I'm asking myself for a while. How much do skates determine the way you skate and why is that? With Razors and Remz you see people going wild at parks and handrails, big stuff and hart switchups. This seems to apply to Carbons aswell. I'm not sure about Aeons. Valos, Salomons and to some extend RB Solos seem to be connected to more technical and smaller tricks. Skinned Valos are a mix inbetween the two. Why is that? Which are the factors that make it so? Is it just an impression? Is it the pros who define the brand and model who influence the bladers and who make the impression by their presence? Or does it have something to do with the technical aspects of the skates themselves? Do narrow souls and raised heels change the way you skate that much? How is it for you?

    I've been skating Sebas, Valos and now Shifts and I noticed a difference but part of it definitely comes from imitating stuff I've seen in edits. When watching edits I identify more with skaters who wear the same skate as I do. With Valos I got into shuffles, keeping my feet tight and pushing harder on transitions. They gave me a weird confidence boost that made me learn faster. Sebas made me go faster and safer on grinds but it felt more sketchy. And Shifts feel like they lock in and every grind is cleaner but I feel less agile and I don't pay attention to my skating as much. But I'm really not sure if it's because of the setups or because of my mindset. I was watching old Bobi Spassov edits a few weeks ago and it was apparent how much his style with Sebas differs from him skating Valos. Aside from the attitude and clothing style the skating looked so different. What's your opinion and experience?

    #2
    I think the skates do affect the style and tricks to a degree, it's definitely easier to do certain tricks in certain skates.

    I also think that peoples skate choices reflect the kind of skating they enjoy, and thus emulate/explore/create. So, the impact is a reversal - the skate doesn't affect the style, but the skater self categorizes themselves within their preferred style (and thus into a certain clique in a social way or mentality in a more loose global sense) with the skates they choose.

    There are a number of loose cliques within blading that are either physical and local (crews), or global and complex (mentalities like microblading for example) , and it's no surprise there is a skate of choice for each, but I think it's more of a social thing than a (technical) performance thing.

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      #3
      Exactly, you choose the skate based on your preferred style of blading. There are exceptions to the rule, and there are obviously people who just choose the skate based on what they like and skate how they wanna skate, and probably don't even watch a lot of skating at all.

      I'm easily influenced and I'm certainly more into watching the more creative/microblading side of things, but then when I actually go skating I tend to just skate ledges in my anti rocker Valo setup.

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        #4
        trick selection or style?

        people weren't bending their knees in 1997 because it was fun, you had to

        a few years back, when I used to skate all the time, I would mostly tinker around on curbs in my carbons


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          #5
          Originally posted by DesignatedRolla View Post
          There are exceptions to the rule, and there are obviously people who just choose the skate based on what they like and skate how they wanna skate
          That's me, alright. You saved me some typing, buddy.

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            #6
            Originally posted by DnEhThEnD View Post
            people weren't bending their knees in 1997 because it was fun, you had to
            Doesn't matter how many times an old blader says this. People won't understand unless they buy old Fatty's, Argons or original M12 (no soul plate). Frame tricks and topsides were a different thing in those old skates.

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              #7
              Originally posted by `\.oOOo./` View Post

              That's me, alright. You saved me some typing, buddy.
              I'm more like that these days. At the moment I'm skating Valo EB's cause my girlfriend bought me them for my birthday in January haha, so I didn't even choose them! But this is the longest I've stuck to one setup in a while without changing anything on it. I think that has to do with not having the time to tinker with skates. Are you still skating K2's?

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                #8
                I had some cults for a bit. I only bought them because I was in Orlando with my girlfriend and there was a sick skatepark nearby I wanted to skate. They didn't really fit well.

                BUT

                I could backslide and torque all day in them. Easy. It felt amazing doing those tricks, like I was on cheat mode or something. I guess that kind of explains the Kelsos skating in the late 90s/early 00's as so much of what they both did relied on that amazing groove. So yeah, those skates push you in a certain way because they just feel so good for those tricks.

                And thinking about it, I stopped skating Salomons because I was really good at torques in other skates, but couldn't farv or torque in stock salomons and they were kind of the tricks I was better than most people at and enjoying.

                I guess these days most skates are pretty good for everything, which is why I think cliques/syles tend to adopt a brand that goes with the style.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by DesignatedRolla View Post
                  Are you still skating K2's?
                  Yes, the 2017 Unnaturals. Since 1997, I've skated only a few brands that weren't K2. The first time I bought non-K2 skates was when the OS Remz came out, then I bought some Nimh Shima 2s and some white Shamans after Nimh and SSM went under, I bought some Seba CJs in 2013 from a guy in Russia, then I bought some black Xsjado skeletons in late 2016. Ended up selling them after awhile and I always go back to K2.

                  I wish I could find the thread where everyone posted what skates they've had over the years (not Post Your Setup), it's a bit ridiculous to see my list and someone said something like "that's like going to a buffet and only eating one thing over and over again," or something like that

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                    #10
                    How do you find the new K2s compared to the old ones?

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by `\.oOOo./` View Post

                      Yes, the 2017 Unnaturals. Since 1997, I've skated only a few brands that weren't K2. The first time I bought non-K2 skates was when the OS Remz came out, then I bought some Nimh Shima 2s and some white Shamans after Nimh and SSM went under, I bought some Seba CJs in 2013 from a guy in Russia, then I bought some black Xsjado skeletons in late 2016. Ended up selling them after awhile and I always go back to K2.

                      I wish I could find the thread where everyone posted what skates they've had over the years (not Post Your Setup), it's a bit ridiculous to see my list and someone said something like "that's like going to a buffet and only eating one thing over and over again," or something like that
                      They appeal to me but with me only skating once a week for a few hours the break in time puts me off.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by DanielBond View Post
                        I think the skates do affect the style and tricks to a degree, it's definitely easier to do certain tricks in certain skates.

                        I also think that peoples skate choices reflect the kind of skating they enjoy, and thus emulate/explore/create. So, the impact is a reversal - the skate doesn't affect the style, but the skater self categorizes themselves within their preferred style (and thus into a certain clique in a social way or mentality in a more loose global sense) with the skates they choose.

                        There are a number of loose cliques within blading that are either physical and local (crews), or global and complex (mentalities like microblading for example) , and it's no surprise there is a skate of choice for each, but I think it's more of a social thing than a (technical) performance thing.
                        I think this is closest to the truth. And to echo what others have said, skates from back in the day had a much greater influence on style. Watching people royale and backslide on K2's was a sight to behold.

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                          #13
                          Actually, I completely forgot that I skated Xsjado's for years! They definitely changed my style. I only ever skated the conference version and there was a golden two month period before they went completely floppy during which time I was able to do grinds with ease and precision that I've never experienced before. With that said, I wouldn't say they're the best skates I've ever had, that would be Razor Cults. I had a brief stint on them and once worn in they provided the best grind experience. My only gripe was the sizing.

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                            #14
                            Yes. Stiffer skates like rb new jacks and valo v13s will FORCE YOU to have better style. Floppy skates like razor gens make your style look like shit, bc they are basically a frame mounted to a soggy skate shoe. No support = shit style

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Substitol View Post
                              Yes. Stiffer skates like rb new jacks and valo v13s will FORCE YOU to have better style. Floppy skates like razor gens make your style look like shit, bc they are basically a frame mounted to a soggy skate shoe. No support = shit style
                              I tried both Genesys and v13s, and valo's felt much softer. But v13s did really force me to have a better style by bending my knees on groove pricks little more, I'm pretty sure it has to do with v13s having a deeper backslide plate.

                              My skating is very grinderblading oriented, I usually skate standart street spots most of the time and if I skate park, I'd probably stick to a prail or grindbox instead of coppings or anything with banks. I mostly do canonical tricks and never really try to get wierd or creative. My choice of skates is definently influenced by the type of skating I like, so I skate razors gens, which feel pretty natural. I'd also skate cults or shifts, but treir shell sizing don't fit me well, also I allways liked classic thrones, but finding parts for them should be difficult since usd dont make them anymore.

                              What about other brands and mostly newer shell models, for me it just feels wierd to buy a pair of blades that I have never seen being skated the way I like to skate myself, even though I realize that the difference in technology might not be big enough to effect my trick vocab a lot.

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