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    Do we need to have this discussion (stealing VOD's)

    So Formosa is out.
    And if it isn't one of the better videos, i've seen in the last couple of years i definitly have missed a lot.
    And it was defenitly worth more than 15 Bucks.

    What i want to speak about is Respect among rollerbladers and online business.
    I recently found out that some Guy bough Formosa and then re-sold the link for 2 Bucks in a whatsapp chat.

    That is of course the curse of all the downloadable content.

    So we might think of a different approach.
    In my Industry there is a big market along the artist where we sell assets, textures and even Plugins and software. All based on Donations instead of fixed prices.

    So i was thinking that it could be an approach we might wanna try and switch from a fixed price to a tipbox.

    most stupid idea ever?


    Last edited by StarScream; 08.08.2018, 07:29.
    be-magers are cruel but funny

    bazodazo rules his toothbrush

    #2
    I don't buy MUCH stuff from the 'industry' these days but I do try and buy most VOD's, even ones that are pay what you want 0+ I always give a bit so that hopefully they can put the money towards making another one. I've also been buying most/any print stuff that comes out and I'm getting quite a collection of that stuff together too (Blade In, Hermanos, Formosa, Chapter II, etc).

    Tip jar/pay what you want is a good idea for a single section or a short video but something like Formosa or Blading Burma deserves the price tag that the creators put on it. Time, effort, money, travel, equipment, food, accommodation and more has gone into these productions. Someone did actually send me the links to both of the above when they paid for them, but I then bought both of those videos myself (plus the Formosa book) to support those guys and hopefully pay towards making something else.

    Everyone's situation is different, some people are gonna wanna see these videos but not be able to afford them. Some groups of skaters will split the cost and buy it once, and all use a download, which is fair enough, it's only the same as one person buying a DVD back in the day and the crew borrowing it to watch. But charging for other peoples work is absolutely not on!

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      #3
      First of all, establishing the value of an average skate film is difficult, and the prices quoted are often arbitrary. In an ideal world skate companies and shops would pay for advertising and this would cover costs allowing for the video to be free and with wider circulation.

      A skate vid like Blade Burma, if filmed in one trip, is probably easier to quantify and is likely to yield a greater return on investment than a video that's made over the course of a year or two.

      Was it wrong for people to lend skate videos/dvd's to friends or to watch them in a big group? I'm sure we all use to do that. Just because the medium has changed it doesn't mean the principle has.
      Last edited by Maus; 08.08.2018, 09:40.

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          #5
          Of course it could be said that if you can’t afford the paid content then you shouldn’t be watching it. Most VOD’s come out for free in the end anyway, and there’s plenty of amazing recent free content to watch like Too Easy - Papas and Sizemores latest edit.

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            #6
            People already do the tipbox. People are going to suck and steal no matter what. There's not really anything that can be done about it. The people who all bought it for $2 and the guy selling it for $2 should just have their names posted instead of hiding who they are, imo. That way they can get properly ridiculed.

            Originally posted by the winner
            that was so fucking GAY, fucking quit it. You're the gayest skaters ever

            whack skating
            whack filming
            whack song
            that redbull spill is disgusting

            did I say shit tricks?

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              #7
              As someone else pointed out it's not a whole lot different than a dude lending a video out to friends who would have never spent the money to buy it in the first place. The shittiest part of the scenario you laid out is that he charged for it.

              Originally posted by the winner
              that was so fucking GAY, fucking quit it. You're the gayest skaters ever

              whack skating
              whack filming
              whack song
              that redbull spill is disgusting

              did I say shit tricks?

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                #8
                It's my fuckin' purchase. I will give the link or file to whoever I want.

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                  #9
                  2 bucks. Good fucking lord.

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                    #10
                    For me the barrier to VODS is (and this is kind of unique maybe) - I don't have a computer and so downloading a 2 gig file to my work computer and either watching it at work or spending time converting it so I can put it on my phone or uploading it to my private vimeo so I can watch it anywhere is HASSLE.

                    Imagine going to the hassle of transferring someone $2 but not being willing to transfer another $8 or $13. Crazy.

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                      #11
                      Did the flim contain any unlicensed sounds ?
                      masterbla.de

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                        #12
                        Is this where we go to fix rollerblading?

                        In all seriousness - I'm not sure how the VOD model is expected to succeed.

                        On Demand doesn't work for the music industry. Spotify & Itunes subscriptions work for the distributors, and the musicians get some money, but not a lot. If the music industry can't sustain On-Demand downloads, I don't see how Rollerblading can either.

                        Musicians make a bulk of their money from touring and merch sales. AKA, Drop that straight fire video for free, get your boys together and go on tour. Sell shirts when you get there. Find sponsorships from clothing companies, lifestyle brands, and other products outside of Rollerblading. Document the whole thing. Sell tickets to a movie premiere in LA, Atl, and Ny. Yeah, I know it's hard. Every week a garage band makes it happen. We can too.

                        In other words, get people to show up at a venue, and give you money at the door for a product or service instead of asking them to make a good faith decision to click a button and give $15 or $2. The hardcore folks will usually make the right decision, but you're not gonna get the casual viewers interested.

                        I can get online right now see Danny Macksills latest video for free. Same with Ken Block. Same with a multitude of others. They believe the value is getting the word out about themselves with free promotion, and then making money through sponsorships and appearances.

                        I personally see that as important section of the path back towards global attention and financial support for our pros. With that, comes demos that companies can sell shirts and hardware at. With that comes more kids choosing rollerblading. With all that in play, you can print publications again. And with all that you can start to rope in the major companies again to support and promote the sport (and before you tell me that's selling out...Take their money and decide what YOU want to do with it. They don't own you, they just cut the check)

                        Does anybody think that Redbull shouldn't be sponsoring Roman Abrate? That dude drops hammers on his IG account everyday, tours the world promoting Rollerblading and doing demos, and competes in huge competitions. I think that's the exact model for being a financial stable professional rollerblader.

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                          #13
                          ^^^
                          This

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Johnny High Fall View Post
                            Is this where we go to fix rollerblading?

                            In all seriousness - I'm not sure how the VOD model is expected to succeed.

                            On Demand doesn't work for the music industry. Spotify & Itunes subscriptions work for the distributors, and the musicians get some money, but not a lot. If the music industry can't sustain On-Demand downloads, I don't see how Rollerblading can either.

                            Musicians make a bulk of their money from touring and merch sales. AKA, Drop that straight fire video for free, get your boys together and go on tour. Sell shirts when you get there. Find sponsorships from clothing companies, lifestyle brands, and other products outside of Rollerblading. Document the whole thing. Sell tickets to a movie premiere in LA, Atl, and Ny. Yeah, I know it's hard. Every week a garage band makes it happen. We can too.

                            In other words, get people to show up at a venue, and give you money at the door for a product or service instead of asking them to make a good faith decision to click a button and give $15 or $2. The hardcore folks will usually make the right decision, but you're not gonna get the casual viewers interested.

                            I can get online right now see Danny Macksills latest video for free. Same with Ken Block. Same with a multitude of others. They believe the value is getting the word out about themselves with free promotion, and then making money through sponsorships and appearances.

                            I personally see that as important section of the path back towards global attention and financial support for our pros. With that, comes demos that companies can sell shirts and hardware at. With that comes more kids choosing rollerblading. With all that in play, you can print publications again. And with all that you can start to rope in the major companies again to support and promote the sport (and before you tell me that's selling out...Take their money and decide what YOU want to do with it. They don't own you, they just cut the check)

                            Does anybody think that Redbull shouldn't be sponsoring Roman Abrate? That dude drops hammers on his IG account everyday, tours the world promoting Rollerblading and doing demos, and competes in huge competitions. I think that's the exact model for being a financial stable professional rollerblader.
                            What corporations do you think will sponsor a rollerblading tour? Ken Block and all them don't just put their shit out for free just to put it out for free. The companies that put those things out know they're going to be making the money from those videos because they're guaranteed to get millions of views each and make their money from ad revenue. I totally agree rollerblading in general needs to do more tours and more promotion, but when companies aren't even paying their riders a liveable wage how do you expect they're going to fund a tour and cover the amount that they make from their "job jobs"? Someone on here always says that rollerblading companies need to go to roller rinks and set up demos. I agree with that idea. Have the best local riders go to their local rinks once a month and shred shit they set up. You'd be going where kids are already on skates and showing them the potential of what they have on their feet.




                            Originally posted by the winner
                            that was so fucking GAY, fucking quit it. You're the gayest skaters ever

                            whack skating
                            whack filming
                            whack song
                            that redbull spill is disgusting

                            did I say shit tricks?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by StarScream View Post
                              I recently found out that some Guy bough Formosa and then re-sold the link for 2 Bucks in a whatsapp chat.
                              Amazing business model. Bummer I didn't think of it myself.

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